Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 7
Discussion
r11co said:
Yet more rank hypocrisy from the SNP - the party who campaigned on a platform to fight the privatisation of all public services.
Red Tories never really existed, but the Yellow and Black Tories are alive and thriving and 'governing' Scotland.
Come on Strocky - let's see how you explain this one (and attacking the messenger is not an option).
now that is funny.Red Tories never really existed, but the Yellow and Black Tories are alive and thriving and 'governing' Scotland.
Come on Strocky - let's see how you explain this one (and attacking the messenger is not an option).
Edited by r11co on Wednesday 1st July 13:21
"it is not privatising as government is still paying"
blimey, they must think the target audience for this guff is pretty dim.
///ajd said:
now that is funny.
"it is not privatising as government is still paying"
blimey, they must think the target audience for this guff is pretty dim.
Think?"it is not privatising as government is still paying"
blimey, they must think the target audience for this guff is pretty dim.
They know
The tartan tories can tell any lie they want and the 45 lot just lap it up
I can't wait for our independence from the english so we can have a true conservative nation like other successful nations
Rick_1138 said:
I cant work out if McTory is having a laugh, sarcastic, trolling or genuine.
McTory said:
The tartan tories can tell any lie they want and the 45 lot just lap it up
I can't wait for our independence from the english so we can have a true conservative nation like other successful nations.
There's yir answer (I think...!)I can't wait for our independence from the english so we can have a true conservative nation like other successful nations.
///ajd said:
r11co said:
Yet more rank hypocrisy from the SNP - the party who campaigned on a platform to fight the privatisation of all public services.
Red Tories never really existed, but the Yellow and Black Tories are alive and thriving and 'governing' Scotland.
Come on Strocky - let's see how you explain this one (and attacking the messenger is not an option).
now that is funny.Red Tories never really existed, but the Yellow and Black Tories are alive and thriving and 'governing' Scotland.
Come on Strocky - let's see how you explain this one (and attacking the messenger is not an option).
Edited by r11co on Wednesday 1st July 13:21
"it is not privatising as government is still paying"
blimey, they must think the target audience for this guff is pretty dim.
I've met a a number of individuals around here that don't understand where their 'buroo' comes from or who actually pays for it. The sad and frustrating thing is they don't believe you when you tell them either.
They all vociferously voted 'Yes' last September...
...Just in case anyone was in any doubt.
Edited by Big Rod on Wednesday 1st July 23:13
Strockeeee, where are you??!
This story really is the big elephant in the room for all those newly converted SNP supporters. CalMac survived 18 years of Tory rule under Thatcher and Major when there was no Scottish Parliament to get in the way of privatisation. It survived through two terms of Labour/Liberal Scottish Government when the islands ferry service was tendered but the government steered a course to maintain public ownership.
Step in the SNP, the party claims to fight privatisation and stands for a fairer progressive society, and the service is handed over to private company SERCO under conditions much less onerous than those placed on CalMac (no requirement to provide emergency replacement services if vessels are out of commission, leaving islanders stranded).
More Tory than the Tories!!
Scottish Socialist Party who backed a Yes vote now detaching themselves from association with the SNP. Greens who backed YES also distancing themselves from the SNP, having made a speech questioning their stance on FFA and privatisation of public services.
Peak SNP?! If they do decide to call another referendum they will no longer be able to count on the support of these groups, plus I suspect more of this sort of thing will lead to divisions within the party itself.
This story really is the big elephant in the room for all those newly converted SNP supporters. CalMac survived 18 years of Tory rule under Thatcher and Major when there was no Scottish Parliament to get in the way of privatisation. It survived through two terms of Labour/Liberal Scottish Government when the islands ferry service was tendered but the government steered a course to maintain public ownership.
Step in the SNP, the party claims to fight privatisation and stands for a fairer progressive society, and the service is handed over to private company SERCO under conditions much less onerous than those placed on CalMac (no requirement to provide emergency replacement services if vessels are out of commission, leaving islanders stranded).
More Tory than the Tories!!
Scottish Socialist Party who backed a Yes vote now detaching themselves from association with the SNP. Greens who backed YES also distancing themselves from the SNP, having made a speech questioning their stance on FFA and privatisation of public services.
Peak SNP?! If they do decide to call another referendum they will no longer be able to count on the support of these groups, plus I suspect more of this sort of thing will lead to divisions within the party itself.
Edited by r11co on Thursday 2nd July 11:31
r11co said:
This story really is the big elephant in the room for all those newly converted SNP supporters.
Thing is, most of the bandwagon-hoppers are urban-dwellers (either from the cooncil estates, or middle-class yuppies trying to be part of a hip, left-wing [!] subculture). I doubt whether most of them have ever been to the Highlands, let alone on a CalMac ferry to the islands.r11co said:
Strockeeee, where are you??!
This story really is the big elephant in the room for all those newly converted SNP supporters. CalMac survived 18 years of Tory rule under Thatcher and Major when there was no Scottish Parliament to get in the way of privatisation. It survived through two terms of Labour/Liberal Scottish Government when the islands ferry service was tendered but the government steered a course to maintain public ownership.
Step in the SNP, the party claims to fight privatisation and stands for a fairer progressive society, and the service is handed over to private company SERCO under conditions much less onerous than those placed on CalMac (no requirement to provide emergency replacement services if vessels are out of commission, leaving islanders stranded).
More Tory than the Tories!!
And how did the SNP help out scottish shipyards when ordering new ferries for CalmacThis story really is the big elephant in the room for all those newly converted SNP supporters. CalMac survived 18 years of Tory rule under Thatcher and Major when there was no Scottish Parliament to get in the way of privatisation. It survived through two terms of Labour/Liberal Scottish Government when the islands ferry service was tendered but the government steered a course to maintain public ownership.
Step in the SNP, the party claims to fight privatisation and stands for a fairer progressive society, and the service is handed over to private company SERCO under conditions much less onerous than those placed on CalMac (no requirement to provide emergency replacement services if vessels are out of commission, leaving islanders stranded).
More Tory than the Tories!!
They built them in Poland
Tartan tories at their best
roadtripboy said:
Thing is, most of the bandwagon-hoppers are urban-dwellers (either from the cooncil estates, or middle-class yuppies trying to be part of a hip, left-wing [!] subculture). I doubt whether most of them have ever been to the Highlands, let alone on a CalMac ferry to the islands.
Everyone has heard of CalMac though. Even the central-belters who associate it with school trips to Milport!r11co said:
Strockeeee, where are you??!
This story really is the big elephant in the room for all those newly converted SNP supporters. CalMac survived 18 years of Tory rule under Thatcher and Major when there was no Scottish Parliament to get in the way of privatisation. It survived through two terms of Labour/Liberal Scottish Government when the islands ferry service was tendered but the government steered a course to maintain public ownership.
Step in the SNP, the party claims to fight privatisation and stands for a fairer progressive society, and the service is handed over to private company SERCO under conditions much less onerous than those placed on CalMac (no requirement to provide emergency replacement services if vessels are out of commission, leaving islanders stranded).
More Tory than the Tories!!
Scottish Socialist Party who backed a Yes vote now detaching themselves from association with the SNP. Greens who backed YES also distancing themselves from the SNP, having made a speech questioning their stance on FFA and privatisation of public services.
Peak SNP?! If they do decide to call another referendum they will no longer be able to count on the support of these groups, plus I suspect more of this sort of thing will lead to divisions within the party itself.
Game set & matchThis story really is the big elephant in the room for all those newly converted SNP supporters. CalMac survived 18 years of Tory rule under Thatcher and Major when there was no Scottish Parliament to get in the way of privatisation. It survived through two terms of Labour/Liberal Scottish Government when the islands ferry service was tendered but the government steered a course to maintain public ownership.
Step in the SNP, the party claims to fight privatisation and stands for a fairer progressive society, and the service is handed over to private company SERCO under conditions much less onerous than those placed on CalMac (no requirement to provide emergency replacement services if vessels are out of commission, leaving islanders stranded).
More Tory than the Tories!!
Scottish Socialist Party who backed a Yes vote now detaching themselves from association with the SNP. Greens who backed YES also distancing themselves from the SNP, having made a speech questioning their stance on FFA and privatisation of public services.
Peak SNP?! If they do decide to call another referendum they will no longer be able to count on the support of these groups, plus I suspect more of this sort of thing will lead to divisions within the party itself.
Edited by r11co on Thursday 2nd July 11:31
Strocky is no doubt checking with cyberHQ to see what line to take.
HQ advice is probably "avoid discussing, we're banged to right!"
simoid said:
So... couple of months of almost total SNP representation at Westminster. Can anyone give an example of how they've influenced proceedings and proved to be "stronger for Scotland"?
According to Pete Wishart they've done loads...
...but then again Pete Wishart makes Tommy Sheridan look like George Washington, the difference being that he lies via Twitter rather than out his cakehole.
AC43 said:
Can someone explain why the Nats have a right to influence policy issues in rUK?
The're already got tons of bloated bureaucracy to deal with Scottish votes on Scottish affairs.
What gives the Nats the right to also vote on something that affect someone else?
It's strictly on anything which would impact their budget indirectly. The're already got tons of bloated bureaucracy to deal with Scottish votes on Scottish affairs.
What gives the Nats the right to also vote on something that affect someone else?
So it's a money thing.
Catching up on last week's QT, I was amused to see the SNP guy (in a broadcast from Sheffield - representative how?) boasting about how the lovely, fair, liberal Scots enjoy (and offer to "all") free Uni education, only to be pulled up by the English members of the panel - one of which has a daughter up there with 46k worth of debts. Then, once pulled up, he made a comment of "woah, come on, 5 against one here guys...". His victim card was pulled out and played immediately that something went against what he was saying. I lol'd.
OpulentBob said:
Catching up on last week's QT, I was amused to see the SNP guy (in a broadcast from Sheffield - representative how?) boasting about how the lovely, fair, liberal Scots enjoy (and offer to "all") free Uni education, only to be pulled up by the English members of the panel - one of which has a daughter up there with 46k worth of debts. Then, once pulled up, he made a comment of "woah, come on, 5 against one here guys...". His victim card was pulled out and played immediately that something went against what he was saying. I lol'd.
Exactly then rather than address it went on a party political line. Now that the EU has clearly shown its true colours with regards to the imposition harsh austerity measures (far greater than would ever be conceived by the evil Westminster posse) on Greece, it would be interesting to hear the views by Nats on how this would pan out if an iScotland had cosyed up to Europe and been forced to adopt the Euro as part of a 'deal' on membership transition..
Given we could have potentially had a budget deficit second only to Greece, I think we would have found those lovely, open-armed Europeans (or so we were told) who needed our fish and expensive oil-fields, less than willing to accept the perceived continued profligate spending policies the YESNP..
Would that not make Europe the enemy too?
Bullet dodged #548
Given we could have potentially had a budget deficit second only to Greece, I think we would have found those lovely, open-armed Europeans (or so we were told) who needed our fish and expensive oil-fields, less than willing to accept the perceived continued profligate spending policies the YESNP..
Would that not make Europe the enemy too?
Bullet dodged #548
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