Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 7

[r11co]

Strocky went AWOL when I brought up the privatisation of the ferry services. The further we get from the fantasy politics that was the 'White Paper' the more splits will appear between the cabal that was Yes Scotland.

Tommy Sheridan started a petition against the SNP because of their cuts to college places. A food-bank worker started a petition to get the SNP to use their budget underspend to restock the food-banks. The Greens denounced the SNP's plans for FFA stating they would lead to more austerity than Greece.

The SNP are showing they are not really the party of the left after all! The party of opportunistic lies that change to suite the audience perhaps.......!

Edited by r11co on Monday 13th July 20:36

[Welshbeef]

SNP voting against the Fox hunting ban amendment.

However in Scotland they have voted for Hunting to continue in its fullest.



Please Explain?
This is an England only issue with no financial impact what so ever for Scotland (and they happily support it in Scotland) so why vote against it? Me thinks they are trying to be s and getting English voters fked off some more.


Scotland get ready for some big budget cuts courtesy of the UK Govt .

[r11co]

Welshbeef said:

Scotland get ready for some big budget cuts courtesy of the UK Govt .

Don't think so - that just plays squarely into the hands of the victim mentality of the Nats, plus screws up the whole 'sharing and pooling' line of the Unionists.

What I would like to see is a statute of limitation put on the Scotland Act powers - if they are not used within the lifetime of the next Scottish Parliament then they should expire.

[RandomTask]

Welshbeef said:

SNP voting against the Fox hunting ban amendment.

However in Scotland they have voted for Hunting to continue in its fullest.



Please Explain?
This is an England only issue with no financial impact what so ever for Scotland (and they happily support it in Scotland) so why vote against it? Me thinks they are trying to be s and getting English voters fked off some more.


Scotland get ready for some big budget cuts courtesy of the UK Govt .

As far as I'm aware Fox Hunting has been banned in Scotland since 2002. Where have SNP voted for it?

I can't see why anyone would want to repeal the act, but in this instance I think that SNP should stick to abstaining unless it financially impacts Scotland.

[NoNeed]

RandomTask said:

Welshbeef said:

SNP voting against the Fox hunting ban amendment.

However in Scotland they have voted for Hunting to continue in its fullest.



Please Explain?
This is an England only issue with no financial impact what so ever for Scotland (and they happily support it in Scotland) so why vote against it? Me thinks they are trying to be s and getting English voters fked off some more.


Scotland get ready for some big budget cuts courtesy of the UK Govt .

As far as I'm aware Fox Hunting has been banned in Scotland since 2002. Where have SNP voted for it?

I can't see why anyone would want to repeal the act, but in this instance I think that SNP should stick to abstaining unless it financially impacts Scotland.

I think they have their own ban so should not vote on the English legislation

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/snp-vote-keep...

[RandomTask]

NoNeed said:

I think they have their own ban so should not vote on the English legislation

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/snp-vote-keep...

Yes, I agreed with that, I was asking where the SNP have voted for Fox hunting in Scotland.

[AC43]

Welshbeef said:

AC43 said:

Can someone explain why the Nats have a right to influence policy issues in rUK?

The're already got tons of bloated bureaucracy to deal with Scottish votes on Scottish affairs.

What gives the Nats the right to also vote on something that affect someone else?

It's strictly on anything which would impact their budget indirectly.

So it's a money thing.

Yeah but now they're taking a stance on foxhunting in England and Wales. What's that got to do with the Scottish budget?

[AstonZagato]

The change in rUK would bring the rUK law into line with the law in Scotland.

Apparently this is to punish Cameron for "being arrogant" in proposing English votes for English laws.

Way to go. Great way of making sure it gets pushed forward ever stronger.

[AC43]

AstonZagato said:

Apparently this is to punish Cameron for "being arrogant" in proposing English votes for English laws.

These people are living in some sort of parallel universe.

[///ajd]

AstonZagato said:

The change in rUK would bring the rUK law into line with the law in Scotland.

Apparently this is to punish Cameron for "being arrogant" in proposing English votes for English laws.

Way to go. Great way of making sure it gets pushed forward ever stronger.

Its deliberate. The SNP are only doing it to stir up resentment. That is why they are so dangerous, and just like previous nationalist regimes.

The media are making a lot (too much) of it, not sure the SNP are that relevant given the scale of tory rebellion anyway.

The SNP - in this instance - are actively fuelling division between north and south. Nice work. Way to promote your country and its credentials as a trade etc. partner! Not!

[RandomTask]

AstonZagato said:

The change in rUK would bring the rUK law into line with the law in Scotland.

Apparently this is to punish Cameron for "being arrogant" in proposing English votes for English laws.

Way to go. Great way of making sure it gets pushed forward ever stronger.

I think it's more that English MPs voted down changes to the Scotland bill proposed by SNP - changed that would only have affected Scotland.

[///ajd]

RandomTask said:

I think it's more that English MPs voted down changes to the Scotland bill proposed by SNP - changed that would only have affected Scotland.

No, the Scotland bill affects all in the UK. Quite different.

Its like proposing an amendment that says "Scots must get twice as much cash as the English" (without FFA), then saying "it only affects Scots, English get the same money as before." Er, no.

[arp1]

///ajd said:

RandomTask said:

I think it's more that English MPs voted down changes to the Scotland bill proposed by SNP - changed that would only have affected Scotland.

No, the Scotland bill affects all in the UK. Quite different.

Its like proposing an amendment that says "Scots must get twice as much cash as the English" (without FFA), then saying "it only affects Scots, English get the same money as before." Er, no.

The reverse can quite easily apply... It's the English wanting their cake and eating it.

[Funk]

AstonZagato said:

The change in rUK would bring the rUK law into line with the law in Scotland.

Apparently this is to punish Cameron for "being arrogant" in proposing English votes for English laws.

Way to go. Great way of making sure it gets pushed forward ever stronger.

Indeed, EVEL wouldn't prevent them from voting in this as it stands. The SNP are just helping make sure that the legislation is strengthened to lock them out properly when it eventually goes through.

The SNP will be the downfall of Scotland.

[Tony427]

Wouldn't it be good if the Tories did the one thing that will really screw up the Scots Nats, force them to take Fiscal responsibility.

They dont want it because all their sums don't add up and it would be a disaster for them and probably for Scotland, but it would certainly give the English a certain degree of pleasure and force the Scots to realise that their fairy tale needs to be paid for. It would also emphasise that those south of the border are sick of paying for the piper and then being told to whistle the tune ourselves.

Cheers,

Tony

[AC43]

///ajd said:

Its deliberate. The SNP are only doing it to stir up resentment. That is why they are so dangerous, and just like previous nationalist regimes.

This is a good point. I'll stop drawing attention to them as that justifies their purpose.

[simoid]

Tony427 said:

Wouldn't it be good if the Tories did the one thing that will really screw up the Scots Nats, force them to take Fiscal responsibility.

They dont want it because all their sums don't add up and it would be a disaster for them and probably for Scotland, but it would certainly give the English a certain degree of pleasure and force the Scots to realise that their fairy tale needs to be paid for. It would also emphasise that those south of the border are sick of paying for the piper and then being told to whistle the tune ourselves.

Cheers,

Tony

My belly (the SNP) would love chocolate for breakfast, a chippy for lunch and an Indian for tea. My brain (the Tories) knows it's not a long term solution though.

[Wrathalanche]

The new group of SNP MPs are going to be in for a bit of a shock soon I think. They have been blowing their trumpet so much about all the good they will achieve, yet I think only the most die-hard supporters still hold out much hope as Sturgeon gets less and less column inches and the UK Gov start making headlines again. They will soon see how vicious and rabid their “positive”, independence-friendly support base really is.

Case in point: the newly elected rookie SNP MP for my area posted a pic on Facebook of him meeting the last Tory MP for that constituency - elected in the 60s/70s. Said a few nice words about him, called him a gentleman and in fairness was being all round very respectful and humble. A lot of the responses from his keenest supporters were far from kind. One 45er asked for the sick bucket to be passed, others criticised him for adding further to his long list of photo opportunities at the HoC. Another – my favourite, in fact – told him he’d “better hurry up and get to work doing what we elected him to do and stop kissing Tory arse”, along with various other threats to give him the boot.

It’ll be fun watching how many of these no-hopers crumble as soon as they start getting flack from the mouth breathers that put them there.

[simoid]

There are very clear risks involved when your job as a politician relies on the support of a baying mob who hate politicians.

[Welshbeef]

simoid said:

There are very clear risks involved when your job as a politician relies on the support of a baying mob who hate politicians.

Well unless you do something stupid like break rules or laws your in post until the next election. 5 years is a long time and people forget.