Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 7
Discussion
Welshbeef said:
Strocky said:
Re Megrahi, I'll take the views of those who actually lost loves ones over the sour comments of the malcontents on here
Is it the fact that Scotland showed compassion to a dying man whose victims where inclined to believe he had been fitted up that winds up the Unionists on here or the fact that Scotland ignored the wishes of the imperialist warmongers and by association their wee lapdog supporters?
Which if im not mistaken is overwhelmingly against releasing him -- 258 people murdered Speaks volumes of you if you think a monster like that could be let go. Heck Shipman killed marginally fewer guess he should have been released?Is it the fact that Scotland showed compassion to a dying man whose victims where inclined to believe he had been fitted up that winds up the Unionists on here or the fact that Scotland ignored the wishes of the imperialist warmongers and by association their wee lapdog supporters?
“The endgame came down to damage limitation," said the former CIA officer Robert Baer, who took part in the original investigation, "because the evidence amassed by [Megrahi's] appeal is explosive and extremely damning to the system of justice."
http://www.newstatesman.com/international-politics...
there is not a court in the land that would have convicted megrahi if all the evidence available now had initially been presented . it was a stitch up ,and anyone believing anything else is dumber than a very dumb thing.
wc98 said:
but had Megrahi proceeded with his appeal, some 600 pages of new and deliberately suppressed evidence would have set the seal on his innocence and given us more than a glimpse of how and why he was stitched up for the benefit of "strategic interests".
“The endgame came down to damage limitation," said the former CIA officer Robert Baer, who took part in the original investigation, "because the evidence amassed by [Megrahi's] appeal is explosive and extremely damning to the system of justice."
http://www.newstatesman.com/international-politics...
there is not a court in the land that would have convicted megrahi if all the evidence available now had initially been presented . it was a stitch up ,and anyone believing anything else is dumber than a very dumb thing.
The monster is guilty he was found guilty by a jury and has been unable to prove his innocence. He is now dead died a guilty man. “The endgame came down to damage limitation," said the former CIA officer Robert Baer, who took part in the original investigation, "because the evidence amassed by [Megrahi's] appeal is explosive and extremely damning to the system of justice."
http://www.newstatesman.com/international-politics...
there is not a court in the land that would have convicted megrahi if all the evidence available now had initially been presented . it was a stitch up ,and anyone believing anything else is dumber than a very dumb thing.
If this "evidence" is so explosive then it needs to come out now then and only then could a full pardon be given and the real guilty taken to jail.
In similar ways Saville is and always will be an innocent man as he cannot be tried as a dead person as such legally he is utterly innocent. His knighthood cannot be withdrawn as you cannot take it from a dead person it does with him as it wasn't hereditary.
The Speaker has the right to suspend these nerks until they learn to behave.
About 5 years should work.
- Suspending MPs who are deliberately disobedient - known as naming.
About 5 years should work.
Fishtigua said:
The Speaker has the right to suspend these nerks until they learn to behave.
About 5 years should work.
Seems the speaker isn't always against clapping in the HOC when it suits him- Suspending MPs who are deliberately disobedient - known as naming.
About 5 years should work.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxWp-RHL6qo
simoid said:
Can you give us an example of an SNP policy with which you disagree, Strocky?
I'm beginning to think you've the memory of a goldfish, but rather than type out again, here's one I baked earlier (see bottom of the pic)Now could you list some policies of whoever you voted for in the GE that you disagree with and why it wasn't enough for you not to lend them your vote?
Cobnapint said:
Strocky said:
You forgot the atrocity of eating chip butties in the canteen as well, the scum that they are, 56 by-elections should be triggered by tomorrow (even for the vegetarian SNP MP's) it's an affront to democracy 
The SNP are an affront alright - to the respect of parliament, it's history and procedures.From not properly swearing allegiance to the Queen, to sitting out the Queens speech in the commons - I don't think the SNP have any intention whatsoever of sticking to their pledge of working together for the good of the UK.
They are a group of renegade trouble makers that have been dropped behind enemy lines, who's sole mission is to f*ck over the government any which way it can.
Strocky said:
simoid said:
Can you give us an example of an SNP policy with which you disagree, Strocky?
I'm beginning to think you've the memory of a goldfish, but rather than type out again, here's one I baked earlier (see bottom of the pic)Now could you list some policies of whoever you voted for in the GE that you disagree with and why it wasn't enough for you not to lend them your vote?
Is this you?
ETA you think offensive behaviour should be allowed? Why is that not surprising?
OpulentBob said:
ETA you think offensive behaviour should be allowed? Why is that not surprising?
It's a bill to ban singing at football. The SNP decide what songs are offensive and which are not and they criminalise 50000odd people at a time if they sing them.Obviously they can't actually arrest 50000 people at a time, so I'm really not sure what the point is. And that's before we look at what songs they put on the banned list. There's not many issues Rangers and Celtic fans agree on but the SNP have found one. It's a mess.
Strocky said:
And by not engaging "properly" in the pantomime that is the first week in Westminster how has that materially affected the electorate in real terms?
It's not a good indicator. The SNP, after losing the independence referendum, said that they would work together with the British Government for the good of the UK. That was a bare faced lie. They have no intention whatsoever of working for the good of the UK.
Their sole intention from the outset is to cause disruption and to pillage as much for Scotland, and Scotland alone, as they can.
Cobnapint said:
The SNP are an affront alright - to the respect of parliament, it's history and procedures.
From not properly swearing allegiance to the Queen, to sitting out the Queens speech in the commons - I don't think the SNP have any intention whatsoever of sticking to their pledge of working together for the good of the UK.
They are a group of renegade trouble makers that have been dropped behind enemy lines, who's sole mission is to f*ck over the government any which way it can.
Its a complete shambles, bunch of kids grinning inanely while they prove some "point" - frankly this is why SNP don't deserve any credit. If they behaved like mature adults and out classed the rest of them down there then brilliant, but no instead they choose to come across as a rebel rabble. If you are going to represent us then at least have the decency to do it well instead of cheap stunts and acting like kids. From not properly swearing allegiance to the Queen, to sitting out the Queens speech in the commons - I don't think the SNP have any intention whatsoever of sticking to their pledge of working together for the good of the UK.
They are a group of renegade trouble makers that have been dropped behind enemy lines, who's sole mission is to f*ck over the government any which way it can.
They are voted in riding on a wave of emotional tidal wave not capability or delivery - its astonishing. Drew for example has looked after the worst preforming Council administration of all time in the Highlands, has left behind a mess but now sits as an MP after Danny got knocked off his perch (who for all can be said did actually deliver something in his time).
The fact income tax has now be handed over to them fills me with dread - I feel a Tupe to an English arm of my company coming on!!
Cobnapint said:
It's not a good indicator.
The SNP, after losing the independence referendum, said that they would work together with the British Government for the good of the UK. That was a bare faced lie. They have no intention whatsoever of working for the good of the UK.
Their sole intention from the outset is to cause disruption and to pillage as much for Scotland, and Scotland alone, as they can.
One of the fundamental weaknesses of our adversarial political system is the polarisation of views and agendas.The SNP, after losing the independence referendum, said that they would work together with the British Government for the good of the UK. That was a bare faced lie. They have no intention whatsoever of working for the good of the UK.
Their sole intention from the outset is to cause disruption and to pillage as much for Scotland, and Scotland alone, as they can.
What's good for the UK is not mutually exclusive to what's good for Scotland and vice versa. In fact it should be patently obvious that the exact opposite is true.
Strocky said:
I'm beginning to think you've the memory of a goldfish, but rather than type out again, here's one I baked earlier (see bottom of the pic)
Now could you list some policies of whoever you voted for in the GE that you disagree with and why it wasn't enough for you not to lend them your vote?
Believe it or not I don't remember everything you post Now could you list some policies of whoever you voted for in the GE that you disagree with and why it wasn't enough for you not to lend them your vote?
I fundamentally disagree with the stance of the party I voted for in many policy areas. I wasn't sure if you were an SNP member and therefore public disagreement could get you into trouble with the hierarchy.Now... about your source of made up information above - you've been speaking to the dead now, have you?
Strocky said:
And by not engaging "properly" in the pantomime that is the first week in Westminster how has that materially affected the electorate in real terms?
See this is just copious b
ks. They were elected to Westminster. Unlike Sinn Fein, who will not take the oath, they have engaged with the Westminster process. If they don't like its procedures then they can work with the Speaker and the other parties to have Erskine May updated. But in the meantime they should STFU and behave like adults, because in all likelihood if they wish to achieve anything meaningful for their electorate they will need to learn how to work within the system, and not st on their own doorstep.The reality is that the SNP know full well how to do this, as they have worked in coalition at Holyrood. The fact that they are behaving as they are, is clearly a deliberate strategy, and/or a failure of party discipline. Either of which is eroding any goodwill in *all* other parties.
Cretinous infants.
Ridgemont said:
See this is just copious bks. They were elected to Westminster. Unlike Sinn Fein, who will not take the oath, they have engaged with the Westminster process. If they don't like its procedures then they can work with the Speaker and the other parties to have Erskine May updated. But in the meantime they should STFU and behave like adults, because in all likelihood if they wish to achieve anything meaningful for their electorate they will need to learn how to work within the system, and not st on their own doorstep.
The reality is that the SNP know full well how to do this, as they have worked in coalition at Holyrood. The fact that they are behaving as they are, is clearly a deliberate strategy, and/or a failure of party discipline. Either of which is eroding any goodwill in *all* other parties.
Cretinous infants.
But they have had MPs for many GE and not once behaved in this way so is this Sturgeons new style?ks. They were elected to Westminster. Unlike Sinn Fein, who will not take the oath, they have engaged with the Westminster process. If they don't like its procedures then they can work with the Speaker and the other parties to have Erskine May updated. But in the meantime they should STFU and behave like adults, because in all likelihood if they wish to achieve anything meaningful for their electorate they will need to learn how to work within the system, and not st on their own doorstep.The reality is that the SNP know full well how to do this, as they have worked in coalition at Holyrood. The fact that they are behaving as they are, is clearly a deliberate strategy, and/or a failure of party discipline. Either of which is eroding any goodwill in *all* other parties.
Cretinous infants.
Personally I respect Shinn Fein as they have strictly stuck to their core beliefs and will not engage with Wastemonger. SNP talk the talk but then don't bother to MTFU
simoid said:
Strocky said:
I'm beginning to think you've the memory of a goldfish, but rather than type out again, here's one I baked earlier (see bottom of the pic)
Now could you list some policies of whoever you voted for in the GE that you disagree with and why it wasn't enough for you not to lend them your vote?
Believe it or not I don't remember everything you post Now could you list some policies of whoever you voted for in the GE that you disagree with and why it wasn't enough for you not to lend them your vote?
I fundamentally disagree with the stance of the party I voted for in many policy areas. I wasn't sure if you were an SNP member and therefore public disagreement could get you into trouble with the hierarchy.Now... about your source of made up information above - you've been speaking to the dead now, have you?
I assume you knew what I meant by victims being those relatives of the bereaved who have been quite vocal in the press in stating that Megrahi was innocent
Could you elaborate on what actual policy areas you disagree with?
Ridgemont said:
Strocky said:
And by not engaging "properly" in the pantomime that is the first week in Westminster how has that materially affected the electorate in real terms?
See this is just copious bks. They were elected to Westminster. Unlike Sinn Fein, who will not take the oath, they have engaged with the Westminster process. If they don't like its procedures then they can work with the Speaker and the other parties to have Erskine May updated. But in the meantime they should STFU and behave like adults, because in all likelihood if they wish to achieve anything meaningful for their electorate they will need to learn how to work within the system, and not st on their own doorstep.The reality is that the SNP know full well how to do this, as they have worked in coalition at Holyrood. The fact that they are behaving as they are, is clearly a deliberate strategy, and/or a failure of party discipline. Either of which is eroding any goodwill in *all* other parties.
Cretinous infants.
However having newspaper articles stating the outrage of the SNP MP's eating and drinking habits is just as childish as any of the "antics" of the 56
doogz said:
bad company said:
matchmaker said:
The one who died of cancer? 
Nearly 3 years later when he apparently had a life expectancy of 3 months. Or was it an NHS doctor, that examined him?
Strocky said:
I've a feeling that once proper business is underway, things will settle down and the SNP will act (and be treated) as the 3rd biggest party in Westminster, time will tell
However having newspaper articles stating the outrage of the SNP MP's eating and drinking habits is just as childish as any of the "antics" of the 56
Newspaper articles?However having newspaper articles stating the outrage of the SNP MP's eating and drinking habits is just as childish as any of the "antics" of the 56
They're busy twittering & blogging the nonsense themselves:
Buttygate -
https://twitter.com/AnneMcLaughlin/status/59849843...
Behind paywall, but here's Mhairi Black's blog on the Herald site on stuffy old Parliamentary workers apartheid.
http://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/scottish-po...
Then good old John Nicholson taking to the twittersphere to show how the Newbies responded to guidance on not clapping, by clapping
https://twitter.com/MrJohnNicolson/status/59841464...
And they duly ignored by clapping during the Queens Speech responses.
Brendan O'Hara arsing around in the commons chamber:
https://twitter.com/BrendanOHaraSNP/status/5984587...
Drew Hendry finding it hilarious there is a sword hanger:
https://twitter.com/drewhendrySNP/status/597735012...
The fact that the MSM is picking up on this nonsense is largely because the SNP are furiously stirring the s
t pot.I hope you are right about it settling down because currently it looks like a claque of Student Politicos looking to score cheap shots and question the validity of the democratic institution they've been elected via social media, instead of doing, you know, the thing they were elected to do.
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