Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 7
Discussion
So, if you have two areas which tend to vote different ways (e.g. Liverpool vs South Bucks), it's perfectly fair for one of these areas to have more MPs for a given population?
On that basis it would be OK to have a single seat for the whole of one of these areas and 40 for the other?
That's obviously b
ks. The fair way is to equalise the constituency sizes.
On that basis it would be OK to have a single seat for the whole of one of these areas and 40 for the other?
That's obviously b
ks. The fair way is to equalise the constituency sizes.For me it's a issue of having an equal voice in parliament.
Why should a constituency of 50k people have a voice equal to one of 100k? The boundary should be adjusted so that they become equal in my view.
Of course PR is the preferred choice for the SNP isn't it??????
Even if it halved the number of seats the SNP won at the GE, as the SNP have principles.
Why should a constituency of 50k people have a voice equal to one of 100k? The boundary should be adjusted so that they become equal in my view.
Of course PR is the preferred choice for the SNP isn't it??????
Even if it halved the number of seats the SNP won at the GE, as the SNP have principles.
Edited by barryrs on Thursday 30th July 22:22
barryrs said:
For me it's a issue of having an equal voice in parliament.
Why should a constituency of 50k people have a voice equal to one of 100k? The boundary should be adjusted so that they become equal in my view.
Of course PR is the preferred choice for the SNP isn't it??????
Even if it halved the number of seats the SNP won at the GE, as the SNP have principles.
Are the SNP not pushing for PR anymore then? I though that was fairer?Why should a constituency of 50k people have a voice equal to one of 100k? The boundary should be adjusted so that they become equal in my view.
Of course PR is the preferred choice for the SNP isn't it??????
Even if it halved the number of seats the SNP won at the GE, as the SNP have principles.
Edited by barryrs on Thursday 30th July 22:22
lol
arp1 said:
No bias at all and I am all for fairness - 1 mp per area etc, like we have now is fine. Doesn't matter how many folk 1 mp represents - a seat is a seat is a seat.
But what constitutes a seat? A seat in itself means nothing unless it's based on an area, population or other means of measurement.They're not equal in area so the logical measure is population so every MP has equal responsibility, and every constituent has equal representation.
///ajd said:
Does any politician have the right to ignore the settled will of Scottish voters? or do the ones who shout loudest get to decide?The little respect I had for the SNP as representing voters has expired. If the Scots want to vote SNP, (2016?) independence should be automatic and compulsory.
Rollin said:
Tourism Minister Fergus Ewing said: "These figures are hugely encouraging for the Scottish tourism industry as we continue to outperform Great Britain as a whole."
LOL What a penis.
Indeed, it's snide little remarks like this that continue to show how Scotland desperately wants to foster an 'us-and-them' situation. Compare and contrast;LOL What a penis.
"These figures are hugely encouraging for Great Britain as a tourist destination overall and it's fantastic that more visitors are finding out what delights Scotland can offer to visitors."
I'd be interested to see what the numbers were for rUK tourists to Scotland, the article suggests more from Europe etc.
James P said:
///ajd said:
Does any politician have the right to ignore the settled will of Scottish voters? or do the ones who shout loudest get to decide?The little respect I had for the SNP as representing voters has expired. If the Scots want to vote SNP, (2016?) independence should be automatic and compulsory.
Right now the SNP helped butt-f
k Labour for at least a decade and we owe them our thanks for that. They've also gained a pretty insignificant presence in the HoC as there's not much they can do to prevent majority votes on legislation etc.The SNP are the Tories' best weapon at the moment. Any failures north of the border will be the SNP's fault now they have pretty much full autonomy. If Scotland's staying in the UK then I'd rather we keep Labour out of the frame and the SNP are the best tools for the job (excuse the pun).
For that reason, I hope the SNP are re-elected in 2016 - they'll lock Labour out again in Scotland keeping them in check down here. If another indy referendum happens and is voted 'no' then things will continue as they are now (except for the irritation of the 54% who were quite clear when last asked and who would most likely be pissed at being told to 'keep voting until you give the right answer'). If it's a yes then we get shot of Scotland, their leaders' whining and griping and STILL get the benefit of Labour being neutered down here.
Overall I think the SNP are being incredibly helpful and their sabre-rattling is just a minor irritant to make people think they have something important to say.
Edited by Funk on Friday 31st July 23:48
Funk said:
Scotland desperately wants to foster an 'us-and-them' situation.
I hate to split hairs but I think it's important here.The significant majority of us don't and have proved so much.
I appreciate it's an easy misconception or slip of the tongue/keyboard but it's very important to clarify and keep in mind.
Big Rod said:
Funk said:
Scotland desperately wants to foster an 'us-and-them' situation.
I hate to split hairs but I think it's important here.The significant majority of us don't and have proved so much.
I appreciate it's an easy misconception or slip of the tongue/keyboard but it's very important to clarify and keep in mind.
AC43 said:
Funk said:
Any failures north of the border will be the SNP's fault and the SNP are the best tools for the job
Couldn't agree more :-)Borghetto said:
Yes indeed the SNP are highly principled and never tell lies. Sturgeon and the we won't vote on bills that only effect England - that porky only took a few weeks to land and of course ex leader Salmond and his lying about legal advice. What a dreadful shower the SNP leadership are.
Hey, if you are in westmonster then you should be able to vote on any matter that arises. End of. However if evel comes to the fore, then non Scottish MPs shouldn't be able to vote on Scottish matters, same goes for Welsh and NI matters too. They can't have their cake and eat it im afraid. Fair and equal please.OpulentBob said:
arp1 said:
No bias at all and I am all for fairness - 1 mp per area etc, like we have now is fine. Doesn't matter how many folk 1 mp represents - a seat is a seat is a seat.
Replace "MP" with "vote for No" and see if you still think the sentiment stands...
End of.
Could you answer this one please.. You have been very vocal about area over the last few pages.
It would be nice to get your thoughts.
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