Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 7
Discussion
arp1 said:
Borghetto said:
Yes indeed the SNP are highly principled and never tell lies. Sturgeon and the we won't vote on bills that only effect England - that porky only took a few weeks to land and of course ex leader Salmond and his lying about legal advice. What a dreadful shower the SNP leadership are.
Hey, if you are in westmonster then you should be able to vote on any matter that arises. End of. However if evel comes to the fore, then non Scottish MPs shouldn't be able to vote on Scottish matters, same goes for Welsh and NI matters too. They can't have their cake and eat it im afraid. Fair and equal please.You really are becoming more and more obvious as a troll. Logic, reason and fact deliberately elude you in order to carry on with your bulls
t. The Scottish knew that there would likely be a referendum on the EU. Despite that, they were happy to vote to remain part of the UK. None of the things Salmond and Sturgeon are whining about as a basis for a further ref are new, or were not known as a possibility during the ref. The whole point was that things happen, and yet it was presented as a vote for a generation. Regardless of what happens, for at least another generation Scotland will remain a region of the UK.
Now quit your whinging and f
king get on with being part of a country that has served you and yours well, and continues to do so - whether you recognise it or not.arp1 said:
Borghetto said:
Yes indeed the SNP are highly principled and never tell lies. Sturgeon and the we won't vote on bills that only effect England - that porky only took a few weeks to land and of course ex leader Salmond and his lying about legal advice. What a dreadful shower the SNP leadership are.
Hey, if you are in westmonster then you should be able to vote on any matter that arises. End of. However if evel comes to the fore, then non Scottish MPs shouldn't be able to vote on Scottish matters, same goes for Welsh and NI matters too. They can't have their cake and eat it im afraid. Fair and equal please.AstonZagato said:
arp1 said:
Borghetto said:
Yes indeed the SNP are highly principled and never tell lies. Sturgeon and the we won't vote on bills that only effect England - that porky only took a few weeks to land and of course ex leader Salmond and his lying about legal advice. What a dreadful shower the SNP leadership are.
Hey, if you are in westmonster then you should be able to vote on any matter that arises. End of. However if evel comes to the fore, then non Scottish MPs shouldn't be able to vote on Scottish matters, same goes for Welsh and NI matters too. They can't have their cake and eat it im afraid. Fair and equal please.arp1 said:
Borghetto said:
Yes indeed the SNP are highly principled and never tell lies. Sturgeon and the we won't vote on bills that only effect England - that porky only took a few weeks to land and of course ex leader Salmond and his lying about legal advice. What a dreadful shower the SNP leadership are.
Hey, if you are in westmonster then you should be able to vote on any matter that arises. End of. However if evel comes to the fore, then non Scottish MPs shouldn't be able to vote on Scottish matters, same goes for Welsh and NI matters too. They can't have their cake and eat it im afraid. Fair and equal please.At present English MPs have no vote on many Scottish matters such as education or health.
Scottish MPs can and do vote on English education and health matters.
According to Nats such as you that is "fair and equal" and just sums up how bigoted/stupid/antagonistic (take your pick, I prefer all three) the average SNP supporter is
James P said:
Does any politician have the right to ignore the settled will of Scottish voters? or do the ones who shout loudest get to decide?
The little respect I had for the SNP as representing voters has expired. If the Scots want to vote SNP, (2016?) independence should be automatic and compulsory.
Fortunately you don't get to decide that. The little respect I had for the SNP as representing voters has expired. If the Scots want to vote SNP, (2016?) independence should be automatic and compulsory.
There are people who will vote SNP because they like the policies SNP stand for, even if they (the voter) is against independence.
The Scottish parliamentary election is not another indy referendum.
DocJock said:
arp1 said:
Borghetto said:
Yes indeed the SNP are highly principled and never tell lies. Sturgeon and the we won't vote on bills that only effect England - that porky only took a few weeks to land and of course ex leader Salmond and his lying about legal advice. What a dreadful shower the SNP leadership are.
Hey, if you are in westmonster then you should be able to vote on any matter that arises. End of. However if evel comes to the fore, then non Scottish MPs shouldn't be able to vote on Scottish matters, same goes for Welsh and NI matters too. They can't have their cake and eat it im afraid. Fair and equal please.At present English MPs have no vote on many Scottish matters such as education or health.
Scottish MPs can and do vote on English education and health matters.
According to Nats such as you that is "fair and equal" and just sums up how bigoted/stupid/antagonistic (take your pick, I prefer all three) the average SNP supporter is
arp1 said:
DocJock said:
arp1 said:
Borghetto said:
Yes indeed the SNP are highly principled and never tell lies. Sturgeon and the we won't vote on bills that only effect England - that porky only took a few weeks to land and of course ex leader Salmond and his lying about legal advice. What a dreadful shower the SNP leadership are.
Hey, if you are in westmonster then you should be able to vote on any matter that arises. End of. However if evel comes to the fore, then non Scottish MPs shouldn't be able to vote on Scottish matters, same goes for Welsh and NI matters too. They can't have their cake and eat it im afraid. Fair and equal please.At present English MPs have no vote on many Scottish matters such as education or health.
Scottish MPs can and do vote on English education and health matters.
According to Nats such as you that is "fair and equal" and just sums up how bigoted/stupid/antagonistic (take your pick, I prefer all three) the average SNP supporter is
h indy ref trying to do last year then? Bring everyone together?! Jesus. Do you even believe half the crap you type or are you just trying to get a rise from the b
d English? OpulentBob said:
"Fair and equal"?
So I can send my English kids to Scotland for free university tuition, can I?
You can if you are German, French, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, Greek, Belgian, Norwegian, Dutch, Austrian, Bulgarian, Croatian, Cypriot, Czech, Danish, Estonian, Finnish, Hungarian, Irish, Latvian, Maltese, Polish, Romanian, Slovakian or Swedish.So I can send my English kids to Scotland for free university tuition, can I?
If you are English, however, you are told to "f
k right off" and "keep on sending the Barnett money" apparently.AC43 said:
OpulentBob said:
"Fair and equal"?
So I can send my English kids to Scotland for free university tuition, can I?
You can if you are German, French, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, Greek, Belgian, Norwegian, Dutch, Austrian, Bulgarian, Croatian, Cypriot, Czech, Danish, Estonian, Finnish, Hungarian, Irish, Latvian, Maltese, Polish, Romanian, Slovakian or Swedish.So I can send my English kids to Scotland for free university tuition, can I?
If you are English, however, you are told to "f
k right off" and "keep on sending the Barnett money" apparently.H
At present English MPs have no vote on many Scottish matters such as education or health.
Scottish MPs can and do vote on English education and health matters.
According to Nats such as you that is "fair and equal" and just sums up how bigoted/stupid/antagonistic (take your pick, I prefer all three) the average SNP supporter isUnfortunately there is no English Parliament, give there should be, and dividing the UK Parliament is not the way forward like evel is trying to do.Ah, the good old tactic of answering your own point rather the the one I made. Your masters have taught you well.
Anyway, re your last post, what do you mean when you say evel is trying to divide the UK Parliament? That was done after much campaigning by your party when the diddy parliament was set up in Holyrood.
So in effect you are saying it's no longer the way forward now that Scotland has a parliament. Hypocrite, much?
arp1 said:
DocJock said:
arp1 said:
Hey, if you are in westmonster then you should be able to vote on any matter that arises. End of. However if evel comes to the fore, then non Scottish MPs shouldn't be able to vote on Scottish matters, same goes for Welsh and NI matters too. They can't have their cake and eat it im afraid. Fair and equal please.
I totally agree. Right up until the time a Scottish Parliament is created...At present English MPs have no vote on many Scottish matters such as education or health.
Scottish MPs can and do vote on English education and health matters.
According to Nats such as you that is "fair and equal" and just sums up how bigoted/stupid/antagonistic (take your pick, I prefer all three) the average SNP supporter is
Anyway, re your last post, what do you mean when you say evel is trying to divide the UK Parliament? That was done after much campaigning by your party when the diddy parliament was set up in Holyrood.
So in effect you are saying it's no longer the way forward now that Scotland has a parliament. Hypocrite, much?
It is becoming quite obvious the SNP tack is to prevent EVEL so that it can force a separate English only assembly as the only apparent viable alternative; ergo the Scottish assembly has more credibility as a direct equivalent.
Up until this Parliament the SNP had a reasonable policy of abstaining from voting on English only matters. Now they, with the comfort of a lot more seats, have stopped being reasoned and are now being unreasonable. They want not only want their bread, butter, jam with cream they want the English to wash the dishes too.
What is needed is a proper EVEL within Westminster, not the daft half way house proposed where English MPs only got a say in the early stages but the whole house voted on the outcome. You can only extract so much urine.
The Government should now force through a proper EVEL, whereas if the subject matter being put to the house is unequivocally one of those devolved to the other assemblies then it is English MP's only that debate and decide on it at all stages. There is no need to vote in yet another assembly, we already have full representation in the current Parliament.
I'm presuming that there is currently a smart trap being laid for the SNP by the government that is yet to be apparent. Hopefully it will be a realigning of the Barnet formula, conditions attached to further devolution, taking the Scottish assembly to the European court for discrimination against English students and so on...let them reap what they sow.
Up until this Parliament the SNP had a reasonable policy of abstaining from voting on English only matters. Now they, with the comfort of a lot more seats, have stopped being reasoned and are now being unreasonable. They want not only want their bread, butter, jam with cream they want the English to wash the dishes too.
What is needed is a proper EVEL within Westminster, not the daft half way house proposed where English MPs only got a say in the early stages but the whole house voted on the outcome. You can only extract so much urine.
The Government should now force through a proper EVEL, whereas if the subject matter being put to the house is unequivocally one of those devolved to the other assemblies then it is English MP's only that debate and decide on it at all stages. There is no need to vote in yet another assembly, we already have full representation in the current Parliament.
I'm presuming that there is currently a smart trap being laid for the SNP by the government that is yet to be apparent. Hopefully it will be a realigning of the Barnet formula, conditions attached to further devolution, taking the Scottish assembly to the European court for discrimination against English students and so on...let them reap what they sow.
Given Sturgeon etc keep banging on about its what Scotland wants then the Pro Union now need to start Rallies and protests nice and loud frequently through Scotland highlighting their dismay and utter non agreement with what SNP are trumpeting.
Currently here seems to be hardly if any disagreement with SNP stance and the Scottish Union people are pretty much mute. Why? Fear of car and house being vandalised by Pro Yes or actually you don't really mind if it was a Yes result.
Currently here seems to be hardly if any disagreement with SNP stance and the Scottish Union people are pretty much mute. Why? Fear of car and house being vandalised by Pro Yes or actually you don't really mind if it was a Yes result.
Welshbeef said:
Given Sturgeon etc keep banging on about its what Scotland wants then the Pro Union now need to start Rallies and protests nice and loud frequently through Scotland highlighting their dismay and utter non agreement with what SNP are trumpeting.
Currently here seems to be hardly if any disagreement with SNP stance and the Scottish Union people are pretty much mute. Why? Fear of car and house being vandalised by Pro Yes or actually you don't really mind if it was a Yes result.
There are more than 2 million of us that hate what the SNP are doing to this country. The trouble is there is no real way of having your voice heard, everything is drowned out by the screams of protest, aimed at Westminster, from the SNP trying to distract the gullible from the mess they are making of running the country. Sadly they are great at dominating social media and the media in general which means no one else gets heard, look how much coverage Nicola Sturgeon and even Alex Salmond get, yet ask why hospitals, schools etc are a mess and you get shouted down by the faithful.Currently here seems to be hardly if any disagreement with SNP stance and the Scottish Union people are pretty much mute. Why? Fear of car and house being vandalised by Pro Yes or actually you don't really mind if it was a Yes result.
I have spoken to many people locally who wouldn't even bother contacting the local SNP MP, despite him living less than 2 miles away, as they know he is only interested in people who have been brainwashed into believing the SNP propaganda. So our voice doesn't get heard.
Right the answer is to protest - official legal marches against the SNP. Organise them (heck Id help you out if I were more local.).
Start small local villages then get bigger and bigger the momentum will escalate (if that's really people's view) and that will scupper Salmond and Sturgeon and Sweeny Todd. Real grass roots protest.
Start small local villages then get bigger and bigger the momentum will escalate (if that's really people's view) and that will scupper Salmond and Sturgeon and Sweeny Todd. Real grass roots protest.
Right the answer is to protest - official legal marches against the SNP. Organise them (heck Id help you out if I were more local.).
Start small local villages then get bigger and bigger the momentum will escalate (if that's really people's view) and that will scupper Salmond and Sturgeon and Sweeny Todd. Real grass roots protest.
Start small local villages then get bigger and bigger the momentum will escalate (if that's really people's view) and that will scupper Salmond and Sturgeon and Sweeny Todd. Real grass roots protest.
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