Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 7

[Corpulent Tosser]

A government appointed 'Named Person' to look after the childs welfare until the age of 18 or longer if in full time education.

Responsible enough to vote at 16 but not responsible enough to look after their own welfare.

[r11co]

Earlier in this thread I posted a link to an article about the gradual economic decline of the city of Montreal due to major employers relocating outside the state of Quebec because of uncertainty over independence.

Well, the same thing is happening in Catalonia.

Of course the SNP cultists will say this is scaremongering....

[Cobnapint]

r11co said:

... SNP cultists ...

Is that the correct spelling.....?

[r11co]

Indyref 2 is off the agenda for the SNP party conference. This will of course enrage the militant wing of the party, but the reason for this is clear - Nicola Sturgeon knows that David Cameron is not bluffing when he says no referendum will take place at least within the term of the current parliament because she knows the contents of the Edinburgh agreement that she signed up to and she knows that it would be illegal call a referendum within a certain timeframe.

All it needs now is for Corbyn to be elected Labour leader and I predict the SNP will start to split from within very soon after....

[Cobnapint]

They'll soon change their minds again when the price of oil starts climbing back up.

[Gecko1978]

Cobnapint said:

They'll soon change their minds again when the price of oil starts climbing back up.

might ne a while with Iran coming in from the cold and releasing all of that lovely gas into the market, plus the Saudis want to reduce fracking in the US so keep supply high and thus price low coupled with fracking in the rest of the UK and oil might be low for a while.

An whats the bets goverment cut any tax breaks to north sea oil firms if indy comes up again thus forcing many to abandon work in north sea where I recall a breakeven price is around 70 on a new well with more than 15m barrel capacity.

Indy will not die for a while but shouting about it is one thing getting it is another.

[Edinburger]

r11co said:

Indyref 2 is off the agenda for the SNP party conference. This will of course enrage the militant wing of the party, but the reason for this is clear - Nicola Sturgeon knows that David Cameron is not bluffing when he says no referendum will take place at least within the term of the current parliament because she knows the contents of the Edinburgh agreement that she signed up to and she knows that it would be illegal call a referendum within a certain timeframe.

All it needs now is for Corbyn to be elected Labour leader and I predict the SNP will start to split from within very soon after....

I had predicted the SNP splitting shortly after the referendum. Not sure it will now, especially with the number of MPs and the forecast landslide victory in next year's Scottish elections.

[Edinburger]

Leithen said:

Axionknight said:

Third rate? I doubt it.

Fifth, maybe.

Brought home by the recent 40th anniversary of "BBC Sportscene" AKA "Footballscene", BBC Scotland's myopic celebration of the nation's mediocre (at best) single sport participation at the expense of all others.

The obsession with a sport which the country is so utterly bad at defies belief. Meanwhile Scottish sportsmen and sportswomen compete at the highest levels Internationally in other sports and get absolutely no Scottish TV coverage whatsoever.

I long for the day when a Scottish football commentator relents from attempting Brazilian levels of rapture and declaration of God-Like sporting prowess by players and instead calls it as it really is - "Well Chick, that was a pretty average attempt at goal that accidentally appears to have pierced the wet flannel of a defence and the ham-fisted attempt by the goalie to keep it out."

Strange post. I think sports coverage across most media channels broadly represents sports in line with their popularity.

Never sene coverage of Scottish tennis, rugby, bowls, judo, and all the other sports we're strong in?

I can only assume you've never listend to the commentary during an England game either?

[Edinburger]

AC43 said:

OpulentBob said:

"Fair and equal"?

So I can send my English kids to Scotland for free university tuition, can I?

You can if you are German, French, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, Greek, Belgian, Norwegian, Dutch, Austrian, Bulgarian, Croatian, Cypriot, Czech, Danish, Estonian, Finnish, Hungarian, Irish, Latvian, Maltese, Polish, Romanian, Slovakian or Swedish.

If you are English, however, you are told to "fk right off" and "keep on sending the Barnett money" apparently.

Nice twist.

The rationale for this has been explained several times through each volume.

[NoNeed]

Trollburger said:

AC43 said:

OpulentBob said:

"Fair and equal"?

So I can send my English kids to Scotland for free university tuition, can I?

You can if you are German, French, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, Greek, Belgian, Norwegian, Dutch, Austrian, Bulgarian, Croatian, Cypriot, Czech, Danish, Estonian, Finnish, Hungarian, Irish, Latvian, Maltese, Polish, Romanian, Slovakian or Swedish.

If you are English, however, you are told to "fk right off" and "keep on sending the Barnett money" apparently.

Nice twist.

The rationale for this has been explained several times through each volume.

Yrs and just to remind the others it was English hatred by a vindictive Scottish Government.

[Edinburger]

NoNeed said:

Trollburger said:

AC43 said:

OpulentBob said:

"Fair and equal"?

So I can send my English kids to Scotland for free university tuition, can I?

You can if you are German, French, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, Greek, Belgian, Norwegian, Dutch, Austrian, Bulgarian, Croatian, Cypriot, Czech, Danish, Estonian, Finnish, Hungarian, Irish, Latvian, Maltese, Polish, Romanian, Slovakian or Swedish.

If you are English, however, you are told to "fk right off" and "keep on sending the Barnett money" apparently.

Nice twist.

The rationale for this has been explained several times through each volume.

Yrs and just to remind the others it was English hatred by a vindictive Scottish Government.

Standard issue idiotic post from you then.

[NoNeed]

Edinburger said:

NoNeed said:

Trollburger said:

AC43 said:

OpulentBob said:

"Fair and equal"?

So I can send my English kids to Scotland for free university tuition, can I?

You can if you are German, French, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, Greek, Belgian, Norwegian, Dutch, Austrian, Bulgarian, Croatian, Cypriot, Czech, Danish, Estonian, Finnish, Hungarian, Irish, Latvian, Maltese, Polish, Romanian, Slovakian or Swedish.

If you are English, however, you are told to "fk right off" and "keep on sending the Barnett money" apparently.

Nice twist.

The rationale for this has been explained several times through each volume.

Yrs and just to remind the others it was English hatred by a vindictive Scottish Government.

Standard issue idiotic post from you then.

I thought it was standard idiotic policies from the Scottish nazi party.



They have been in office 8 years and still blame the English as that sort of divisive hate filled rhetoric is all they have.

[Edinburger]

NoNeed said:

Edinburger said:

NoNeed said:

Trollburger said:

AC43 said:

OpulentBob said:

"Fair and equal"?

So I can send my English kids to Scotland for free university tuition, can I?

You can if you are German, French, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, Greek, Belgian, Norwegian, Dutch, Austrian, Bulgarian, Croatian, Cypriot, Czech, Danish, Estonian, Finnish, Hungarian, Irish, Latvian, Maltese, Polish, Romanian, Slovakian or Swedish.

If you are English, however, you are told to "fk right off" and "keep on sending the Barnett money" apparently.

Nice twist.

The rationale for this has been explained several times through each volume.

Yrs and just to remind the others it was English hatred by a vindictive Scottish Government.

Standard issue idiotic post from you then.

I thought it was standard idiotic policies from the Scottish nazi party.



They have been in office 8 years and still blame the English as that sort of divisive hate filled rhetoric is all they have.

In that case, despite it being explained umpteen times, you clearly still don't understand it.

[NoNeed]

This is what happens when people elect scum.


http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/13583722.displa...


http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/ni...

Edited by NoNeed on Monday 10th August 21:26

[NoNeed]

Trollburger said:

In that case, despite it being explained umpteen times, you clearly still don't understand it.

I do.


You hate the English


Nothing hard about that.




At present the scottish university system costs X amount.

Allow English pupils and it will still cost X amount but due to a larger pool of students they will have to choose from they may end up picking a bright English student over a dim Scottish one and they can't have that can they.


There is no excuse for this policy of division and hate and despite you saying that it has been explained, it hasn't. Quite simply they don't want English students, they hate the English.

Edited by NoNeed on Monday 10th August 22:25

[Leithen]

Edinburger said:

Never sene coverage of Scottish tennis, rugby, bowls, judo, and all the other sports we're strong in?

I can only assume you've never listend to the commentary during an England game either?

Sportscene is Footballscene. There is barely any coverage of any other sport within the programme. Call it for what it is - a programme soley interested in a single sport that we are crap at.

BBC Scotland could provide an enormous boost to all the sportsmen and women who do compete successfully on the international stage but desperately lack exposure to help with sponsorship etc.

Two programmes with names that actually reflect the programme content.

England games commentary? Rarely listen, but at least they make it to world finals.

[glazbagun]

NoNeed said:

There is no excuse for this policy of division and hate and despite you saying that it has been explained, it hasn't. Quite simply they don't want English students, they hate the English.

Edited by NoNeed on Monday 10th August 22:25

I wouldn't say it's great either personally (Paid Scottish fees under Blair and English fees in Birmingham myself, so have never benefitted from the SNP's abolishment. Timing has never been my strong point.), but surely if state funded tuition fees is so important for rUK voters, they shouldn't have elected officials who increased the fees to 9K/PA and abolished maintainence grants? Lib Dem voters get a pass I guess.

Just as the SNP are hypocritical in moaning about Tory income tax cuts whilst sitting on the very tax raising powers to negate them, I think It's a bit rich for Tory voters to be out out that their kids can't get cheaper education north of the border whilst voting for a party that makes education south of the border more expensive.

I can imagine many a Scot being pissed off if education tourists were cramming Scottish universities to take advantage of Scottish state spending, then heading back south with their degree. Whether that's petty or not, the SNP position would seem to be at least in their electorate's interest. Of course it does nothing to stop brain drain of Scottish graduates to London/wherever.

[AC43]

Edinburger said:

AC43 said:

OpulentBob said:

"Fair and equal"?

So I can send my English kids to Scotland for free university tuition, can I?

You can if you are German, French, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, Greek, Belgian, Norwegian, Dutch, Austrian, Bulgarian, Croatian, Cypriot, Czech, Danish, Estonian, Finnish, Hungarian, Irish, Latvian, Maltese, Polish, Romanian, Slovakian or Swedish.

If you are English, however, you are told to "fk right off" and "keep on sending the Barnett money" apparently.

Nice twist.

The rationale for this has been explained several times through each volume.

I haven't noticed an explanation - apologies if I've missed it. But from the viewpoint of a Scot living in England (who is therefore "English" in the context of this rule) this just comes across as totally discriminatory. What is the justification?

[NoNeed]

glazbagun said:

NoNeed said:

There is no excuse for this policy of division and hate and despite you saying that it has been explained, it hasn't. Quite simply they don't want English students, they hate the English.

Edited by NoNeed on Monday 10th August 22:25

I wouldn't say it's great either personally (Paid Scottish fees under Blair and English fees in Birmingham myself, so have never benefitted from the SNP's abolishment. Timing has never been my strong point.), but surely if state funded tuition fees is so important for rUK voters, they shouldn't have elected officials who increased the fees to 9K/PA and abolished maintainence grants? Lib Dem voters get a pass I guess.

Just as the SNP are hypocritical in moaning about Tory income tax cuts whilst sitting on the very tax raising powers to negate them, I think It's a bit rich for Tory voters to be out out that their kids can't get cheaper education north of the border whilst voting for a party that makes education south of the border more expensive.

I can imagine many a Scot being pissed off if education tourists were cramming Scottish universities to take advantage of Scottish state spending, then heading back south with their degree. Whether that's petty or not, the SNP position would seem to be at least in their electorate's interest. Of course it does nothing to stop brain drain of Scottish graduates to London/wherever.

If Scottish universities are selecting the best students this education tourism argument is lost, completely lost. And that is without the educational tourism they allow from the rest of Europe all paid for by tax payers of the whole UK.


They hate the English is the only explanation that makes any sense, I have yet to hear one that even comes close.


Like I say, the universities are already paid for, English students would not make costs rise but would ensure the best and most worthy students are selected.

[Edinburger]

NoNeed said:

Trollburger said:

In that case, despite it being explained umpteen times, you clearly still don't understand it.

I do.


You hate the English


Nothing hard about that.




At present the scottish university system costs X amount.

Allow English pupils and it will still cost X amount but due to a larger pool of students they will have to choose from they may end up picking a bright English student over a dim Scottish one and they can't have that can they.


There is no excuse for this policy of division and hate and despite you saying that it has been explained, it hasn't. Quite simply they don't want English students, they hate the English.

Edited by NoNeed on Monday 10th August 22:25

I hate the English? Wow. That's some claim.

For starters, my wife is English. My kids are English. I have many English friends and family. I own property in England and I work for an English company.

Yeah, I must really hate the English.

I'll reply to AC re. the university point.