Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 7
Discussion
Troubleatmill said:
Edinburger said:
....It seems to me, that no matter what happens in Scotland there's a bunch of posters on PH ready to criticise it. When people ignore things, don't post or don't respond to positive posts then I can only assume they are outraged that they can't think of a negative slant to it.
As the "once in a generation referendum.... or once in a lifetime..." seems to have the life span of hamsters - and the SNP is talking up having another run at it in the next few years, then it is clearly obvious that decisions the SNP make will come under scrutiny.It comes down to "Are they competent to govern."
And their track record isn't great in many eyes.
Take education as an example... (This has been touched on before).
Education of children should be politically neutral.
http://www.educationscotland.gov.uk/scotlandssongs...
The Freedom Come All Ye
This magnificent song was written by Hamish Henderson in 1960 for the peace marchers at the Holy Loch near Glasgow.
The tune is the World War I pipe march, ‘The Bloody Fields of Flanders’.
Both Sides of the Tweed
These verses are an attack upon the Treaty of Union of 1707, which abolished the independent Scottish and English Parliaments and set up the United Kingdom. The Tweed is the river that forms part of the Scottish-English border and it is used here as a symbol of both the need for independence and the need for friendship and co-existence. Songwriter Dick Gaughan's version, available here, has been amended slightly to make the song relevant to contemporary political issues
Ding Dong Dollar
A song to prove that protesting in favour of peace need not be depressing. This became the anthem of the Scottish Anti-Polaris movement of the 1960s and beyond.
If It Wisnae for the Union
A song in praise of trade unionism.
And, already covered in this thread Vol5 or was it 6, Scottish Tourism - Important milestones in Scotland's history. Again totally SNP bias.
The SNP are being scrutinised - because they are making a lot of bad policy decisions.
As far as I can see (speaking as a parent) it's a relatively small proportion. Simoid may have a better view on this. I know a few teachers personally and I help out on the Parent Forum at my kids' school and I've never seen or heard anyone complain about those songs.
Welshbeef said:
Edinburger said:
Not all of Scotland is geographically sparse. And I'd imagine address checks will sort the first point.
How ? I can rent somewhere very easily for my net benefit. I wouldn't be surprised if similar schemes are available in other parts of the UK soon.
Edinburger said:
So you keep posting about this and ignore my post earlier showing much higher UK governmental wasteage?
See my editBut they are not blaming others in order to foster resentment and division.
They are creating problems so that they can point and shout WESTMONSTER
Edited by NoNeed on Monday 31st August 11:07
Edinburger said:
While I agree some of those songs will seem inappropriate to some people, the Curriculum for Excellence does promote Scottish culture, Scottish history and the Scots language.
As far as I can see (speaking as a parent) it's a relatively small proportion. Simoid may have a better view on this. I know a few teachers personally and I help out on the Parent Forum at my kids' school and I've never seen or heard anyone complain about those songs.
Regardless of one's politics - The education of children should not have content that promotes one political party's agenda over any others.As far as I can see (speaking as a parent) it's a relatively small proportion. Simoid may have a better view on this. I know a few teachers personally and I help out on the Parent Forum at my kids' school and I've never seen or heard anyone complain about those songs.
You can ask anyone what the 2 big things on the SNP agenda - and the answer is Independence and Nuclear Disarmament.
The SNP are sowing the seeds to very impressionable minds - and it isn't right.
You mentioned Scottish history, remember the debacle that the Scottish Govt removed all mention of Scotland's role in securing our safety and freedom in the second world war. And the importance that key Scottish people played in major roles in the UK.
The SNP are not rewriting history, they have been trying to redact many pieces of it from education to suit their own political needs.
Edinburger said:
Why is it foolish? We have targets to reach on emmissions and we have slow uptake of electric cars so this low-cost initiative can perhaps crack both nuts to an extent. It's kick starting attitude changes. I suspect you have a rather naiive view of domestic finances too.
Your accusation of naivete is ironic. Electric cars produce their emissions by proxy along with lots of other environmentally unfriendly by-products, several of which are orders if magnitude worse than CO2.
Edinburger said:
Welshbeef said:
Edinburger said:
Not all of Scotland is geographically sparse. And I'd imagine address checks will sort the first point.
How ? I can rent somewhere very easily for my net benefit. I wouldn't be surprised if similar schemes are available in other parts of the UK soon.
Instead you have one rule country wide or EU wide standardise everything not add in layers of unneeded complexity and unnecessary cost.
Welshbeef said:
Edinburger said:
Welshbeef said:
Edinburger said:
Not all of Scotland is geographically sparse. And I'd imagine address checks will sort the first point.
How ? I can rent somewhere very easily for my net benefit. I wouldn't be surprised if similar schemes are available in other parts of the UK soon.
Instead you have one rule country wide or EU wide standardise everything not add in layers of unneeded complexity and unnecessary cost.
DocJock said:
Edinburger said:
Why is it foolish? We have targets to reach on emmissions and we have slow uptake of electric cars so this low-cost initiative can perhaps crack both nuts to an extent. It's kick starting attitude changes. I suspect you have a rather naiive view of domestic finances too.
Your accusation of naivete is ironic. Electric cars produce their emissions by proxy along with lots of other environmentally unfriendly by-products, several of which are orders if magnitude worse than CO2.
IF I buy an electric car, it will be because I could save a lot of money on fuel - I drive 28K-30K miles per year in a 2l diesel whereas with a Tesla for instance, I could get ~300 miles for £10 worth of electricity at home or free charging elsewhere.
That's the driver for me (no pun intended). While I'm sympathetic to climate change that's not why I am considering an electric car just now.
Troubleatmill said:
Edinburger said:
While I agree some of those songs will seem inappropriate to some people, the Curriculum for Excellence does promote Scottish culture, Scottish history and the Scots language.
As far as I can see (speaking as a parent) it's a relatively small proportion. Simoid may have a better view on this. I know a few teachers personally and I help out on the Parent Forum at my kids' school and I've never seen or heard anyone complain about those songs.
Regardless of one's politics - The education of children should not have content that promotes one political party's agenda over any others.As far as I can see (speaking as a parent) it's a relatively small proportion. Simoid may have a better view on this. I know a few teachers personally and I help out on the Parent Forum at my kids' school and I've never seen or heard anyone complain about those songs.
You can ask anyone what the 2 big things on the SNP agenda - and the answer is Independence and Nuclear Disarmament.
The SNP are sowing the seeds to very impressionable minds - and it isn't right.
You mentioned Scottish history, remember the debacle that the Scottish Govt removed all mention of Scotland's role in securing our safety and freedom in the second world war. And the importance that key Scottish people played in major roles in the UK.
The SNP are not rewriting history, they have been trying to redact many pieces of it from education to suit their own political needs.
Edited for formatting
NoNeed said:
Edinburger said:
So you keep posting about this and ignore my post earlier showing much higher UK governmental wasteage?
See my editBut they are not blaming others in order to foster resentment and division.
They are creating problems so that they can point and shout WESTMONSTER
Edited by NoNeed on Monday 31st August 11:07
And I think it's WASTEMONSTER.
Edinburger said:
The Scottish Social Attitudes Survey showed 45% of respondents thought the amount of money being spent on Gaelic (£24m) was about right, while 16% said it was too little. 33% of respondents thought £24m to promote Gaelic was too much.
Ooooh, a survey.If Scotland had £24m to spend should we spend it on schools, roads, paying off debt, reducing dependence on food banks or propping up a dying language nobody speaks?
I know that's a loaded question but surveys tend to be skewed, and I would bet my house that Gaelic wouldn't reach a double figure percentage. Let it die.
Edinburger said:
Welshbeef said:
Edinburger said:
Welshbeef said:
Edinburger said:
Not all of Scotland is geographically sparse. And I'd imagine address checks will sort the first point.
How ? I can rent somewhere very easily for my net benefit. I wouldn't be surprised if similar schemes are available in other parts of the UK soon.
Instead you have one rule country wide or EU wide standardise everything not add in layers of unneeded complexity and unnecessary cost.
What if the UK fact knocked another &20k off the price but your Barnett formulae dropped accordingly?
Edinburger said:
....the Curriculum for Excellence.....
...is a joke. A rebranded form of Outcome Based Education (google it!) which has been wholly rejected in every other territory it has been tried in. The rebranding was done deliberately to obfuscate what it was. It should have been rejected wholeheartedly but instead it was implemented as a smoke-and-mirrors exercise to distract from cuts in teacher numbers and additional support services in schools. More austerity from the anti-austerity party.Edinburger said:
Troubleatmill said:
Edinburger said:
NoNeed said:
A post from Facebook (United Against Separation) that shows how the SNP are politicising the police force
Text read..
This is our country, this is our police force, and this helicopter is paid for with our money. So I want to be able to read what it says on the side of it in my native mother tongue- being the primary language of this country, English.
It's this sort of nonsense from the SNP's policing wing, Police Scotland, which heightens concern the police service in Scotland has been politicised.
I have today emailed this photograph to Police Scotland demanding an explanation as to why a dead language only a tiny minority of people speaks is slapped on the side of this helicopter instead of the language you and I use and understand.
And I would encourage you to do likewise. The only way we are going to stop this nationalist nonsense is to stand up and speak up.
The word 'police' which you crave to read is easily seen on the helicopter. Text read..
This is our country, this is our police force, and this helicopter is paid for with our money. So I want to be able to read what it says on the side of it in my native mother tongue- being the primary language of this country, English.
It's this sort of nonsense from the SNP's policing wing, Police Scotland, which heightens concern the police service in Scotland has been politicised.
I have today emailed this photograph to Police Scotland demanding an explanation as to why a dead language only a tiny minority of people speaks is slapped on the side of this helicopter instead of the language you and I use and understand.
And I would encourage you to do likewise. The only way we are going to stop this nationalist nonsense is to stand up and speak up.
Edited by NoNeed on Sunday 30th August 18:40
Like it or not, there are Gaelic speakers in some parts of Scotland.
All over the UK there's evidence of things many of us disagree with.
I would wager.... less than 2.
Another vanity project.
Total arse gravy waste of money.
Or signs, leaflets, etc., in various foreign languages all across the UK?
Why should my council taxes be spent on people who refuse to learn the national language and fail to integrate in the slightest?
Why should my taxes be spent on translators for people who come to the UK with absolutely no idea or intent to speak English?
The list is endless, as is you and your ilk's ideas of wasting our money on vanity projects, whilst the disabled are being persecuted by this government to save money.
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k off!Mojocvh said:
Edinburger said:
Troubleatmill said:
Edinburger said:
NoNeed said:
A post from Facebook (United Against Separation) that shows how the SNP are politicising the police force
Text read..
This is our country, this is our police force, and this helicopter is paid for with our money. So I want to be able to read what it says on the side of it in my native mother tongue- being the primary language of this country, English.
It's this sort of nonsense from the SNP's policing wing, Police Scotland, which heightens concern the police service in Scotland has been politicised.
I have today emailed this photograph to Police Scotland demanding an explanation as to why a dead language only a tiny minority of people speaks is slapped on the side of this helicopter instead of the language you and I use and understand.
And I would encourage you to do likewise. The only way we are going to stop this nationalist nonsense is to stand up and speak up.
The word 'police' which you crave to read is easily seen on the helicopter. Text read..
This is our country, this is our police force, and this helicopter is paid for with our money. So I want to be able to read what it says on the side of it in my native mother tongue- being the primary language of this country, English.
It's this sort of nonsense from the SNP's policing wing, Police Scotland, which heightens concern the police service in Scotland has been politicised.
I have today emailed this photograph to Police Scotland demanding an explanation as to why a dead language only a tiny minority of people speaks is slapped on the side of this helicopter instead of the language you and I use and understand.
And I would encourage you to do likewise. The only way we are going to stop this nationalist nonsense is to stand up and speak up.
Edited by NoNeed on Sunday 30th August 18:40
Like it or not, there are Gaelic speakers in some parts of Scotland.
All over the UK there's evidence of things many of us disagree with.
I would wager.... less than 2.
Another vanity project.
Total arse gravy waste of money.
Or signs, leaflets, etc., in various foreign languages all across the UK?
Why should my council taxes be spent on people who refuse to learn the national language and fail to integrate in the slightest?
Why should my taxes be spent on translators for people who come to the UK with absolutely no idea or intent to speak English?
The list is endless, as is you and your ilk's ideas of wasting our money on vanity projects, whilst the disabled are being persecuted by this government to save money.
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k off!r11co said:
Edinburger said:
....the Curriculum for Excellence.....
...is a joke. A rebranded form of Outcome Based Education (google it!) which has been wholly rejected in every other territory it has been tried in. The rebranding was done deliberately to obfuscate what it was. It should have been rejected wholeheartedly but instead it was implemented as a smoke-and-mirrors exercise to distract from cuts in teacher numbers and additional support services in schools. More austerity from the anti-austerity party.Welshbeef said:
Edinburger said:
Welshbeef said:
Edinburger said:
Welshbeef said:
Edinburger said:
Not all of Scotland is geographically sparse. And I'd imagine address checks will sort the first point.
How ? I can rent somewhere very easily for my net benefit. I wouldn't be surprised if similar schemes are available in other parts of the UK soon.
Instead you have one rule country wide or EU wide standardise everything not add in layers of unneeded complexity and unnecessary cost.
What if the UK fact knocked another &20k off the price but your Barnett formulae dropped accordingly?
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