Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 7

[Edinburger]

NoNeed said:

AC43 said:

FFS. It's a st film starring a 4 foot nothing anti semitic Yank.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-tayside-cent...

1. embarassedtobescottish

All that time I said I blame Mel Gibson, and Trollburger would show up with his roll eyes smilie.

Why do you all get so upset about that film?

[NoNeed]

Edinburger said:

Strocky said:

I've criticised the SNP where I think it's merited, however there is an undercurrent from a few on here that no matter what decisions are made in Holyrood, it's wrong no matter what

And you can you give the Nazi crap a rest (or make it you signature), you're coming across as a tad ranty and repetitive

Also making absolute statements and calling posters idiot's tends to negate your point

Edited by Strocky on Thursday 3rd September 13:41

I agree 100% - well said.

I've just read the past few pages and can someone please clarify something for me? You lot (who think you know best) seem to call the SNP socialists, communists, nationalists, national socialists and 'tartan Tories'.

Those are quite different politician persuasions. Can anyone give us a definitive answer?

NoNuts - you might find it in tomorrow's Google Alerts

They are the worst kind of politicians, they will do and say anything to get votes as the party matters most. Their behaviour is closer to 1920's nazi party behaviour than it is to any modern progressive group.

[NoNeed]

Axionknight said:

NoNeed said:

Actually hatred of Jews and israel is actually very common among the YES croud, only last night I was in n online debate where David Cameron was being blamed for the little boy drowning and I pointe out that David Cameron wanted to tackle the problem at source a few years back by bombing ISIS and was prevente from doing so in Parliament. The reply came that if he wanted to tackle at source he would bomb Israel and the Jews as they are the cause of all the unrest in the middle east.


The SNP also banned Jewish literature a few years ago.

Surely not?

It was.

http://daphneanson.blogspot.co.uk/2011/05/swastika...

Edited by NoNeed on Thursday 3rd September 20:20

[Edinburger]

r11co said:

Strocky said:

you argue that we're better off being part of a Union

WRONG!

Check my post from a page or two back. I am arguing that the SNP are unfit to govern because their stated aim is not governance, and their growing record of failure when pressed to the task is evidence of this.

If the case for independence is a good one it will stand on its own two feet and not require to be achieved through dischord. To gain independence by pissing enough people off that they want rid of you, and by dividing the populace of a potential nation irretrievably is not a future I want to be a part of as the world has to continue once that independence is achieved and neither of these is a footing to be starting from.

Plus, if the SNP are really pursuing just independence and not, as a consequence of achieving it, seeking their own glorification and entrenchment of power then they should add to clause 2.(a) of their constitution a statement that they will disband the instant Scottish independence is achieved, having served their purpose.

I'm against the SNP. Independence is moot.

Edited by r11co on Thursday 3rd September 17:26

With respect, who are you to judge whether or not the SNP are fit to govern?

In fact, can you name one party/government with a flawless record?

[NoNeed]

Edinburger said:

Why do you all get so upset about that film?

Because you nats hold it up as some sort of historical representation, when in fact it is a fairy tale containing very little we know as fact.

[Edinburger]

Axionknight said:

Gecko1978 said:

While my post was tongue in cheek it does highlight the casual racism that is prolific in Scotland. Do you think as an 18 year old student from London I knew what the fk they were on about until I looked it up. Really the we hate the English st I encountered at uni was a revelation. Frankly it was maybe 1 in 10 people but they really did have a massive chip on there shoulders abpout the whole English Scottish thing

Little man nation syndrome, IMO, having lived here for five years, you never hear the end of the Scotland v England thing - a lot of it is light hearted and I give as good as I get but some really do get agitated about it, especially when you tell them that nobody south of the border really pays Scotland any mind at all, lest they're heading up here for a holiday, anyway.

I think you're completely wrong there.

But please don't confuse banter. As discussed since volume 1.

[Edinburger]

NoNeed said:

AstonZagato said:

Steady on, chap. No need for that.

Actually hatred of Jews and israel is actually very common among the YES croud, only last night I was in n online debate where David Cameron was being blamed for the little boy drowning and I pointe out that David Cameron wanted to tackle the problem at source a few years back by bombing ISIS and was prevente from doing so in Parliament. The reply came that if he wanted to tackle at source he would bomb Israel and the Jews as they are the cause of all the unrest in the middle east.


The SNP also banned Jewish literature a few years ago.

Possibly the most incorrect and offensive post in the history of this long running thread.

You absolute fking bell end. And I don't swear very often.

Idiot.

[Axionknight]

Edinburger said:

Axionknight said:

Gecko1978 said:

While my post was tongue in cheek it does highlight the casual racism that is prolific in Scotland. Do you think as an 18 year old student from London I knew what the fk they were on about until I looked it up. Really the we hate the English st I encountered at uni was a revelation. Frankly it was maybe 1 in 10 people but they really did have a massive chip on there shoulders abpout the whole English Scottish thing

Little man nation syndrome, IMO, having lived here for five years, you never hear the end of the Scotland v England thing - a lot of it is light hearted and I give as good as I get but some really do get agitated about it, especially when you tell them that nobody south of the border really pays Scotland any mind at all, lest they're heading up here for a holiday, anyway.

I think you're completely wrong there.

But please don't confuse banter. As discussed since volume 1.

You would, wouldn't you? After all, you follow me around every day of the week listening to the things I hear and the conversations I have had.

[NoNeed]

Edinburger said:

NoNeed said:

AstonZagato said:

Steady on, chap. No need for that.

Actually hatred of Jews and israel is actually very common among the YES croud, only last night I was in n online debate where David Cameron was being blamed for the little boy drowning and I pointe out that David Cameron wanted to tackle the problem at source a few years back by bombing ISIS and was prevente from doing so in Parliament. The reply came that if he wanted to tackle at source he would bomb Israel and the Jews as they are the cause of all the unrest in the middle east.


The SNP also banned Jewish literature a few years ago.

Possibly the most incorrect and offensive post in the history of this long running thread.

You absolute fking bell end. And I don't swear very often.

Idiot.

I'm only speaking of the image the yes voters have given me from my engagements with them.

If that is wrong it isn't me, just the imression they create.

[Edinburger]

NoNeed said:

Edinburger said:

Strocky said:

I've criticised the SNP where I think it's merited, however there is an undercurrent from a few on here that no matter what decisions are made in Holyrood, it's wrong no matter what

And you can you give the Nazi crap a rest (or make it you signature), you're coming across as a tad ranty and repetitive

Also making absolute statements and calling posters idiot's tends to negate your point

Edited by Strocky on Thursday 3rd September 13:41

I agree 100% - well said.

I've just read the past few pages and can someone please clarify something for me? You lot (who think you know best) seem to call the SNP socialists, communists, nationalists, national socialists and 'tartan Tories'.

Those are quite different politician persuasions. Can anyone give us a definitive answer?

NoNuts - you might find it in tomorrow's Google Alerts

They are the worst kind of politicians, they will do and say anything to get votes as the party matters most. Their behaviour is closer to 1920's nazi party behaviour than it is to any modern progressive group.

Wrong. Completely wrong.

[Edinburger]

NoNeed said:

Axionknight said:

NoNeed said:

Actually hatred of Jews and israel is actually very common among the YES croud, only last night I was in n online debate where David Cameron was being blamed for the little boy drowning and I pointe out that David Cameron wanted to tackle the problem at source a few years back by bombing ISIS and was prevente from doing so in Parliament. The reply came that if he wanted to tackle at source he would bomb Israel and the Jews as they are the cause of all the unrest in the middle east.


The SNP also banned Jewish literature a few years ago.

Surely not?

It was.

http://daphneanson.blogspot.co.uk/2011/05/swastika...

Edited by NoNeed on Thursday 3rd September 20:20

Quality source.

Idiot.

[Edinburger]

NoNeed said:

Edinburger said:

NoNeed said:

AstonZagato said:

Steady on, chap. No need for that.

Actually hatred of Jews and israel is actually very common among the YES croud, only last night I was in n online debate where David Cameron was being blamed for the little boy drowning and I pointe out that David Cameron wanted to tackle the problem at source a few years back by bombing ISIS and was prevente from doing so in Parliament. The reply came that if he wanted to tackle at source he would bomb Israel and the Jews as they are the cause of all the unrest in the middle east.


The SNP also banned Jewish literature a few years ago.

Possibly the most incorrect and offensive post in the history of this long running thread.

You absolute fking bell end. And I don't swear very often.

Idiot.

I'm only speaking of the image the yes voters have given me from my engagements with them.

If that is wrong it isn't me, just the imression they create.

Rubbish. Absolute rubbish.

[Axionknight]

Edinburger said:

NoNeed said:

Axionknight said:

NoNeed said:

Actually hatred of Jews and israel is actually very common among the YES croud, only last night I was in n online debate where David Cameron was being blamed for the little boy drowning and I pointe out that David Cameron wanted to tackle the problem at source a few years back by bombing ISIS and was prevente from doing so in Parliament. The reply came that if he wanted to tackle at source he would bomb Israel and the Jews as they are the cause of all the unrest in the middle east.


The SNP also banned Jewish literature a few years ago.

Surely not?

It was.

http://daphneanson.blogspot.co.uk/2011/05/swastika...

Edited by NoNeed on Thursday 3rd September 20:20

Quality source.

Idiot.

Hardly the book burnings of old, is it?

[NoNeed]

Trollburger said:

Quality source.

Idiot.

Just picked the first one google gave, do you want more?


Typical Nazi that doesn't say what's wrong with the peice just what's wrong with who wrote it, after all a jew can't be right can they.

[///ajd]

Strocky said:

r11co said:

Ve Haff Vays of Keeping You Qviet.

Read it and weep, 'burger, Strocky et al.

The branch level of most political groups is a hive of skulduggery & backstabbing, the bloke in question would be better letting the police handle it rather than publishing a blog which would throw any trial into disrepute

Yes, the papers are chocked full of stories about tories at branch level torching each others cars and angry lib dems making prank threatening calls to each other .....

As a few posts up, there is no need to throw direct insults around when the Nats posts themselves are the gifts that keep giving.

[NoNeed]

Axionknight said:

Hardly the book burnings of old, is it?

http://www.scottishpsc.org.uk/233-campaigning/scottish-councils/1661-scottish-councils-support-call-to-boycott-israel


It did grow quite large until senior party figures realised it could damage any referendum.


Much like when Hitler ensured Jews would live in peace in the run up and during the olymics of 1936, couldn't have the party damaged.

[Troubleatmill]

Edinburger said:

Why do you all get so upset about that film?

I just wish they made the best historically accurate film they could without making one of our historic leaders a peadophile.

William Wallace was passionately kissing the Princess of Wales in the movie.... and was gunning for more.

She was 9 in real life. NINE

That should be sufficient.

What do you think?

[NoNeed]

Troubleatmill said:

Edinburger said:

Why do you all get so upset about that film?

I just wish they made the best historically accurate film they could without making one of our historic leaders a peadophile.

William Wallace was passionately kissing the Princess of Wales in the movie.... and was gunning for more.

She was 9 in real life. NINE

That should be sufficient.

What do you think?

And they wore kilts invented by an Englishman in the 17th century

[Axionknight]

Things were different back then, man.

[NoNeed]

Axionknight said:

Things were different back then, man.

Is that for me?


You asking me to stop the Nazi reference? if you are I will, I have always accepted your bkings with good grace

But it is just a question of scale, the germans just didn't start killing Jews they spent 20 years dehumanising them and blaming them for all their counties ills first. the SNP are in year 2. So scoring points of that is far too easy.