Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 7

[Edinburger]

r11co said:

Edinburger said:

True. The UK's £9bn foreign aid budget could build 180,000 family homes at £50K.

We elect people to make those decisions for us.

You are missing the point 'burger. Choosing to invest it on one good cause or another is different from choosing to spend it on a process which will have nothing to show for it implemented purely to keep your otherwise politically ignorant and disinterested, single-issue engaged support hanging off your every word.

As I said - indyref 1 money is spent, gone, pissed up the wall. If faced with the choice of spending on social justice or staging it again, which would you choose?

I think you're missing the point - although you may feel the people of Scotland "chose to spend it on a process which will have nothing to show for it" the money was spent on a democratic excercise which was voted for by the electorate.

That's like saying to the people of some African/Asian country "you've overthrown your totalitarian dictatorship but rather choosing to spend foreign aid on a democratic process to vote a new government which will have nothing tangible to show for it, we're building houses instead".

If you beleive in democracies, it costs money to hold elections.

Re. Your question, for me it would be "social justice" but I'd caveat it that recipients need to be seen to be improving their lifestyles, etc. I do think you're taking this off-topic though.

[Edinburger]

Einion Yrth said:

You make it sound like we have a choice, in reality we really don't.

It's not perfect but it is a democracy.

[Edinburger]

Garvin said:

Einion Yrth said:

Edinburger said:

We elect people to make those decisions for us.

You make it sound like we have a choice, in reality we really don't.

Democracy may be overrated but until someone comes up with a better system we will continue to elect governments on the best compromise basis.

For Scotland, voting SNP into Holyrood makes sense if you believe in them. Voting them into Westminster is not such a bright move. They will never form a government and due to their basic doctrine they are a poisoned chalice for other parties and unlikely to be accepted as part of a coalition. Therefore they will never have much influence.

It would be better for the Scots to have MPs as part of the government or the strong opposition (although the current opposition is a shambles but one must anticipate something stronger rising from the ashes). This would give them far more influence.

Well said, Garvin.

[Edinburger]

r11co said:

NoNeed said:

An interesting view on nationalism from a Scot we all admire and respect.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/neil-oliv...

"I don't like people who bang the drum of their tribe, thinking that the coincidence of where they were born confers superiority on them"

Wise words, for both sides!

Agree with him on Stirling Castle too.

[r11co]

Edinburger said:

I think you're missing the point - although you may feel the people of Scotland "chose to spend it on a process which will have nothing to show for it" the money was spent on a democratic exercise which was voted for by the electorate.

I am starting to think that you are illiterate, 'burger. The point I am making is, knowing how much was spent on the process is it a good use of money to repeat it ad-infinitum in the hope the answer will change, just to satiate the thick-end of the nationalist support.

r11co said:

indyref 1 money is spent, gone, pissed up the wall. If faced with the choice of spending on social justice or staging it again, which would you choose?

Now, RTFQ, digest and answer.

Edited by r11co on Sunday 6th September 13:41

[Welshbeef]

r11co said:

Edinburger said:

I think you're missing the point - although you may feel the people of Scotland "chose to spend it on a process which will have nothing to show for it" the money was spent on a democratic exercise which was voted for by the electorate.

I am starting to think that you are illiterate, 'burger.

r11co said:

indyref 1 money is spent, gone, pissed up the wall. If faced with the choice of spending on social justice or staging it again, which would you choose?

Now, RTFQ, digest and answer.

No doubt a N.D.A. Situation for burger .

[Sway]

To be fair, he did answer a page or two back.

He stated that he didn't support another ref...

[Edinburger]

r11co said:

Edinburger said:

I think you're missing the point - although you may feel the people of Scotland "chose to spend it on a process which will have nothing to show for it" the money was spent on a democratic exercise which was voted for by the electorate.

I am starting to think that you are illiterate, 'burger. The point I am making is, knowing how much was spent on the process is it a good use of money to repeat it ad-infinitum in the hope the answer will change, just to satiate the thick-end of the nationalist support.

r11co said:

indyref 1 money is spent, gone, pissed up the wall. If faced with the choice of spending on social justice or staging it again, which would you choose?

Now, RTFQ, digest and answer.

Edited by r11co on Sunday 6th September 13:41

I think was a good use of money to hold the referendum in the first place but I do not think it would be a good use of money to repeat it any time soon. By soon, I mean decades. Not ad-infinitum.

[Edinburger]

Welshbeef said:

r11co said:

Edinburger said:

I think you're missing the point - although you may feel the people of Scotland "chose to spend it on a process which will have nothing to show for it" the money was spent on a democratic exercise which was voted for by the electorate.

I am starting to think that you are illiterate, 'burger.

r11co said:

indyref 1 money is spent, gone, pissed up the wall. If faced with the choice of spending on social justice or staging it again, which would you choose?

Now, RTFQ, digest and answer.

No doubt a N.D.A. Situation for burger .

Comedian, eh?

[Edinburger]

Sway said:

To be fair, he did answer a page or two back.

He stated that he didn't support another ref...

Yep, thanks - I've said that a few times.

[Welshbeef]

Edinburger said:

Comedian, eh?

Och ai laddie

[NoNeed]

Just reading an arcticle that accrding to the UN Scotland is the assault capitol of the world http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/sc...


Should the SNP be focussing on violent crime rather than pushing its sepratist agenda, or is the sepratist agenda they push contibuting to the figures.

[Welshbeef]

NoNeed said:

Just reading an arcticle that accrding to the UN Scotland is the assault capitol of the world http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/sc...


Should the SNP be focussing on violent crime rather than pushing its sepratist agenda, or is the sepratist agenda they push contibuting to the figures.

That's disgusting.

Also I'd add that even under half the rate which England is is still woeful - so God only knows how Scotland feels about it.


Is Police devolved and if so since when. Would be interesting to see stats pre devolution and then post to see how they have improved or otherwise

[NoNeed]

I have a feeling that the SNP and their thugs are behind most of it, remember earlier in the thread.

Welshbeef said:

NoNeed said:

Just reading an arcticle that accrding to the UN Scotland is the assault capitol of the world http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/sc...


Should the SNP be focussing on violent crime rather than pushing its sepratist agenda, or is the sepratist agenda they push contibuting to the figures.

That's disgusting.

Also I'd add that even under half the rate which England is is still woeful - so God only knows how Scotland feels about it.

r11co said:

Big Rod said:

It actually is real!

https://www.facebook.com/gary.anderson.125

... and you may have also spotted his handy link to hints and tips on how to scam an Employment Support Allowance claim.

The man himself, having breakfast...

Edited by r11co on Wednesday 26th August 19:23

I thought I recognised that face.

He is one of the thugs the snp send to have a go at normal good folk.



Is Police devolved and if so since when. Would be interesting to see stats pre devolution and then post to see how they have improved or otherwise

[NoNeed]

http://www.sundaypost.com/suddy-ridiculous-scottis...

[Troubleatmill]

NoNeed said:

http://www.sundaypost.com/suddy-ridiculous-scottis...

Not even Sturgeon and Sweeney are that stupid to take us back to the age of "The Steamie"

[NoNeed]

Troubleatmill said:

NoNeed said:

http://www.sundaypost.com/suddy-ridiculous-scottis...

Not even Sturgeon and Sweeney are that stupid to take us back to the age of "The Steamie"

I wonder how many assaults in the post above started as arguments over the drier

[Edinburger]

Welshbeef said:

Edinburger said:

Comedian, eh?

Och ai laddie

It's "aye" as in "Och aye laddie".

You don't talk like that in the valleys though, boyo!

[Edinburger]

Welshbeef said:

NoNeed said:

Just reading an arcticle that accrding to the UN Scotland is the assault capitol of the world http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/sc...


Should the SNP be focussing on violent crime rather than pushing its sepratist agenda, or is the sepratist agenda they push contibuting to the figures.

That's disgusting.

Also I'd add that even under half the rate which England is is still woeful - so God only knows how Scotland feels about it.


Is Police devolved and if so since when. Would be interesting to see stats pre devolution and then post to see how they have improved or otherwise

It's disgusting that NoNuts spends so much of his time scouring the internet for anti-Scottish material and content.

As for the report? What a lot of nonsense.

[Troubleatmill]

@Ed Still waiting for your reply.