Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 7

[AstonZagato]

She seems to be caught on the horns of a dilemma - thinking that if she sings, she will alienate half her supporters. If she doesn't sing, she will alienate half her fellow countrymen. As the second number is larger than the first, she decides to sing but half-heartedly. In the end, she probably managed to alienate everyone.

[Alpacaman]

From facebook.

[DMN]

They've made Private Eye.

"In 2006 the Scottish parliament voted to reinstate the track to Tweedbank in a scheme expected to cost £155m and finish in 2011. Then the SNP won the 2007 Scottish election. Instead of letting Network Rail (NR) press on with the scheme, as local councils wanted, the Scottish government sought a 30-year private finance initiative-style deal. After four years of fruitless negotiation, the job went to… Network Rail. Now the scheme is quoted as costing £300m – despite cuts in its scope.”

http://www.private-eye.co.uk/columnists

[NoNeed]

DMN said:

They've made Private Eye.

"In 2006 the Scottish parliament voted to reinstate the track to Tweedbank in a scheme expected to cost £155m and finish in 2011. Then the SNP won the 2007 Scottish election. Instead of letting Network Rail (NR) press on with the scheme, as local councils wanted, the Scottish government sought a 30-year private finance initiative-style deal. After four years of fruitless negotiation, the job went to… Network Rail. Now the scheme is quoted as costing £300m – despite cuts in its scope.”

http://www.private-eye.co.uk/columnists

They must be getting good advice

[NoNeed]

It turns out that the Furher has other sources of income.
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/former-...

[Big Rod]

NoNeed said:

It turns out that the Furher has other sources of income.
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/former-...

Much as I despise him I can't fault that at all.

Media sensationalism over a complete non-story IMO.

[Edinburger]

Big Rod said:

NoNeed said:

It turns out that the Furher has other sources of income.
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/former-...

Much as I despise him I can't fault that at all.

Media sensationalism over a complete non-story IMO.

Sensationalism indeed. Must be a quiet news day.

[Edinburger]

NoNeed said:

DMN said:

They've made Private Eye.

"In 2006 the Scottish parliament voted to reinstate the track to Tweedbank in a scheme expected to cost £155m and finish in 2011. Then the SNP won the 2007 Scottish election. Instead of letting Network Rail (NR) press on with the scheme, as local councils wanted, the Scottish government sought a 30-year private finance initiative-style deal. After four years of fruitless negotiation, the job went to… Network Rail. Now the scheme is quoted as costing £300m – despite cuts in its scope.”

http://www.private-eye.co.uk/columnists

They must be getting good advice

That's just not true, NoNuts.

For starters, I'm pretty sure Jim McColl lives on the outskirts of Glasgow although I'm happy to be proved wrong.

Secondly, those figures are a twist on reality. A few firms pulled out the bidding and the tender was cancelled, and then then the contract was given to Network Rail. Is this another pointless dig at 'Scottish' project funding?

While the Borders Railway is the biggest railway to be opened in the UK for over 100 years, it's a 'basic railway' in that it was built to a tight budget.

[Einion Yrth]

Wikipaedia reckons McColl lives in Monaco, not proof, but certainly evidence.

[Edinburger]

contango said:

Edinburger said:

I was referring to "Top trolling burger, he clearly overstepped the PC line."

Clearly because you always come on here looking for a reaction, you never post anything positive that would add to Scotland's case for nationalism, just attack the other side and on it goes.

I think it is reasonable to state he overstepped the PC line, because clearly the rules are selective, defending which "side" you would appear to favour.

Thanks for your insight, stranger.

The debate on this thread ended ages ago. I don't like to see my country being continually criticised by some of the posters here so I perhaps do appear defensive.

That is all.

[Edinburger]

Welshbeef said:

It appears some NATS believe that had Scotland voted Yes they would have taken control of Balmoral wrongly thinking it was crown estate property IE soverign owned.

Sadly its privately owned by the Queen.

How many other Royal estates in Scotland are actually state owned (well Crown trust) ?

"It appears"? Really? Didn't you mean to start by saying "Imagine if..."?

[ralphrj]

Welshbeef said:

It appears some NATS believe that had Scotland voted Yes they would have taken control of Balmoral wrongly thinking it was crown estate property IE soverign owned.

Sadly its privately owned by the Queen.

How many other Royal estates in Scotland are actually state owned (well Crown trust) ?

There are 4 estates owned by The Crown Estate in Scotland (Applegirth, Fochabers, Glenlivet and Whitehill). There are a couple of other assets, 39/41 George Street, Edinburgh and 50% of the company that owns Fort Kinnaird shopping park. The rest is rights that include all salmon fishing, virtually all of the foreshore and the seabed (but not any hydrocarbons that might be underneath it).

Following the Smith Commission the income from The Crown Estate assets in Scotland will now go to the Scottish Government instead of The Treasury.

[Big Rod]

Edinburger said:

The debate on this thread ended ages ago. I don't like to see my country being continually criticised by some of the posters here so I perhaps do appear defensive.

To be fair, I'm not aware of anyone on this thread criticising Scotland itself.

The derision is pretty much directed entirely to those in office in Hollyrood and their supporters.

[anonymous-user]

Edinburger said:

contango said:

Edinburger said:

I was referring to "Top trolling burger, he clearly overstepped the PC line."

Clearly because you always come on here looking for a reaction, you never post anything positive that would add to Scotland's case for nationalism, just attack the other side and on it goes.

I think it is reasonable to state he overstepped the PC line, because clearly the rules are selective, defending which "side" you would appear to favour.

Thanks for your insight, stranger.

The debate on this thread ended ages ago. I don't like to see my country being continually criticised by some of the posters here so I perhaps do appear defensive.

That is all.

The bd English have had to put up with constant criticism and hatred and a fair bit of racism coming south from the yesbits for years. A few months of it back at them isn't really anything they can rightfully complain about. Although complain they will. At great length, and with an unintelligible accent.

[andymadmak]

Edinburger said:

The debate on this thread ended ages ago. I don't like to see my country being continually criticised by some of the posters here

Are you seriously saying that continually criticising the SNP (as many do on here) is the same thing as continually criticising Scotland itself?

It may be hard for your SNP supporting mind to digest 'Burger, but the SNP, it's supporters and their policies do not equal Scotland for most of us. ( and most Scots too if the result of the Referendum is any indication)

Might I suggest that the criticism of the SNP on here by many is due to the deep affection that many of us have for Scotland and the utter dismay that we feel as we watch the SNP inflict huge damage on the country?

[Garvin]

andymadmak said:

Edinburger said:

The debate on this thread ended ages ago. I don't like to see my country being continually criticised by some of the posters here

Are you seriously saying that continually criticising the SNP (as many do on here) is the same thing as continually criticising Scotland itself?

It may be hard for your SNP supporting mind to digest 'Burger, but the SNP, it's supporters and their policies do not equal Scotland for most of us. ( and most Scots too if the result of the Referendum is any indication)

Might I suggest that the criticism of the SNP on here by many is due to the deep affection that many of us have for Scotland and the utter dismay that we feel as we watch the SNP inflict huge damage on the country?

Well said.

[Welshbeef]

Garvin said:

andymadmak said:

Edinburger said:

The debate on this thread ended ages ago. I don't like to see my country being continually criticised by some of the posters here

Are you seriously saying that continually criticising the SNP (as many do on here) is the same thing as continually criticising Scotland itself?

It may be hard for your SNP supporting mind to digest 'Burger, but the SNP, it's supporters and their policies do not equal Scotland for most of us. ( and most Scots too if the result of the Referendum is any indication)

Might I suggest that the criticism of the SNP on here by many is due to the deep affection that many of us have for Scotland and the utter dismay that we feel as we watch the SNP inflict huge damage on the country?

Well said.

Seconded.

[ralphrj]

Edinburger said:

While the Borders Railway is the biggest railway to be opened in the UK for over 100 years, it's a 'basic railway' in that it was built to a tight budget.

It isn't the biggest railway to be opened in the UK for over 100 years. The Channel Tunnel Rail Link/High Speed 1 is more than twice as long.

The phrase used by Scotrail and others is that the Borders Railway is the longest domestic railway to be opened in the UK for over 100 years (i.e. one that doesn't carry any international traffic).

Crossrail is longer still but is not yet open.

[Edinburger]

andymadmak said:

Edinburger said:

The debate on this thread ended ages ago. I don't like to see my country being continually criticised by some of the posters here

Are you seriously saying that continually criticising the SNP (as many do on here) is the same thing as continually criticising Scotland itself?

It may be hard for your SNP supporting mind to digest 'Burger, but the SNP, it's supporters and their policies do not equal Scotland for most of us. ( and most Scots too if the result of the Referendum is any indication)

Might I suggest that the criticism of the SNP on here by many is due to the deep affection that many of us have for Scotland and the utter dismay that we feel as we watch the SNP inflict huge damage on the country?

No, I'm not saying that Andy.

I'm no SNP fan boy but when I see unfair criticism of them I'll defend/correct it. There are some posters who like to criticise events which happen in Scotland. Some political, some not. And that's what riles me most.

Can you pinpoint this "huge damage on the country" which you feel the SNP are inflicting on Scotland? To me, they're a political party who have had some successes and some failings. Like all parties.

This thread is no longer a source of balanced reason.

[DMN]

Welshbeef said:

Garvin said:

andymadmak said:

Edinburger said:

The debate on this thread ended ages ago. I don't like to see my country being continually criticised by some of the posters here

Are you seriously saying that continually criticising the SNP (as many do on here) is the same thing as continually criticising Scotland itself?

It may be hard for your SNP supporting mind to digest 'Burger, but the SNP, it's supporters and their policies do not equal Scotland for most of us. ( and most Scots too if the result of the Referendum is any indication)

Might I suggest that the criticism of the SNP on here by many is due to the deep affection that many of us have for Scotland and the utter dismay that we feel as we watch the SNP inflict huge damage on the country?

Well said.

Seconded.

Thirded. What a silly statement to make.