Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 7
Discussion
Big Rod said:
I took a tram in Edinburgh once.
It was only a couple of weeks ago.
It was nice for the novelty of it but it didn't enhance my visit to Edinburgh at all.
So I live in Fife. If I want to go to Edinburgh I'll drive or get the train. I don't see where the investment in this benefits me in any way.
Should I be bitter that the investment doesn't reach my front door?
I'm not bitter that it doesn't reach my front door It was only a couple of weeks ago.
It was nice for the novelty of it but it didn't enhance my visit to Edinburgh at all.
So I live in Fife. If I want to go to Edinburgh I'll drive or get the train. I don't see where the investment in this benefits me in any way.
Should I be bitter that the investment doesn't reach my front door?
I've got a bus stop a 30 second walk away which can take me to the train station and get me into Haymarket, and then I can link back to the airport for a fiver(?) on the tram. It seems there was a missed opportunity to make my public transport journey to the airport bus then direct train which would make it much more competitive with my usual option of drive or taxi or cadge a lift.
I imagine there's maybe hundreds of thousands of people for which this applies. Knocking noticeable amounts off the airport journey time seems like a better benefit than trams which do the same job as a bus
simoid said:
Nae bother!
Have used a tram a few times but it generally doesn't serve me much use. I used the bus network in Edinburgh for a couple of years and didn't have a car it's so good.
As you say - building a tram infrastructure in Edinburgh wasn't easy. We can see that and we're no experts. The marginal gains for the marginal costs look ridiculous. What have we actually gained over the bus service?
Marginal gain over vast cost. Have used a tram a few times but it generally doesn't serve me much use. I used the bus network in Edinburgh for a couple of years and didn't have a car it's so good.
As you say - building a tram infrastructure in Edinburgh wasn't easy. We can see that and we're no experts. The marginal gains for the marginal costs look ridiculous. What have we actually gained over the bus service?
technodup said:
Edinburger said:
Why is the tram "obviously no use" at the airport? That depends on where you live - it all depends on your lifestyle!
Because I live in Glasgow?
Well said that man. And to think the SNP and it's supporters during the referendum and GE repeatedly used the point that Westminster are only interested in London-centric vanity projects, the irony that a pro SNP-er is now using an Edinburgh-only scheme to demonstrate to a non-EdinburgHer to virtues of the SNP, and why they are better than the hated English b
d tory scum is delicious. Hypocrisy of the highest order. Edited by OpulentBob on Saturday 30th May 05:11
simoid said:
I'm not bitter that it doesn't reach my front door
I've got a bus stop a 30 second walk away which can take me to the train station and get me into Haymarket, and then I can link back to the airport for a fiver(?) on the tram. It seems there was a missed opportunity to make my public transport journey to the airport bus then direct train which would make it much more competitive with my usual option of drive or taxi or cadge a lift.
I imagine there's maybe hundreds of thousands of people for which this applies. Knocking noticeable amounts off the airport journey time seems like a better benefit than trams which do the same job as a bus
ignoring all the politics, this is a very good point.I've got a bus stop a 30 second walk away which can take me to the train station and get me into Haymarket, and then I can link back to the airport for a fiver(?) on the tram. It seems there was a missed opportunity to make my public transport journey to the airport bus then direct train which would make it much more competitive with my usual option of drive or taxi or cadge a lift.
I imagine there's maybe hundreds of thousands of people for which this applies. Knocking noticeable amounts off the airport journey time seems like a better benefit than trams which do the same job as a bus
same applies to heathrow - train options if you don't start in London are not necessarily very good.
AstonZagato said:
Crossrail is designed to help at Heathrow.
No it's not. It's not even stopping there. A totally seperate railway line from Slough to Heathrow is being built by 2020+ with the idea you don't have to go into Paddington go then go back out to Heathrow.
As someone who would get the train from Reading I'm not 100% sure it will be notably quicker than the 28min train to London then be Hearhrow express back out (depends on the frequency + assume there will be some direct trains?). Regardless it will free up some capacity from Paddington.
Welshbeef said:
AstonZagato said:
Crossrail is designed to help at Heathrow.
No it's not. It's not even stopping there. A totally seperate railway line from Slough to Heathrow is being built by 2020+ with the idea you don't have to go into Paddington go then go back out to Heathrow.
As someone who would get the train from Reading I'm not 100% sure it will be notably quicker than the 28min train to London then be Hearhrow express back out (depends on the frequency + assume there will be some direct trains?). Regardless it will free up some capacity from Paddington.
Was not sure if this is new track or what heathrow express already uses?
It looks like it only caters for trains out of London though rather than trains from Reading?
When travelling from the west country I nearly always use a hire car into heathrow as the train links are rubbish - more expensive and not as quick - but I'd use them if I could get a direct train that arrived e.g. under terminal 5 from e.g. Bristol.
technodup said:
Edinburger said:
If you live in Glasgow then why are you even going on about this?!
Bear in mind that Glasgow has the subway. As a Weegie, were you so opposed to that?
Because I'm pretty sure I paid for some of it.Bear in mind that Glasgow has the subway. As a Weegie, were you so opposed to that?
As for the Subway it opened in 1896 so a wee bit before I was at the argumentative stage.
That said it's significantly faster to cross the city by Subway than bus, unlike your billion pound trams.
///ajd said:
I had a look on crossrail site and it does suggest there will be a link on crossrail into heathrow (in a tunnel).
Was not sure if this is new track or what heathrow express already uses?
It looks like it only caters for trains out of London though rather than trains from Reading?
When travelling from the west country I nearly always use a hire car into heathrow as the train links are rubbish - more expensive and not as quick - but I'd use them if I could get a direct train that arrived e.g. under terminal 5 from e.g. Bristol.
It's a totally new track from Slough to Heathrow. Was not sure if this is new track or what heathrow express already uses?
It looks like it only caters for trains out of London though rather than trains from Reading?
When travelling from the west country I nearly always use a hire car into heathrow as the train links are rubbish - more expensive and not as quick - but I'd use them if I could get a direct train that arrived e.g. under terminal 5 from e.g. Bristol.
Heathrow Express is Paddington to Heathrow
Cobnapint said:
That's the SNPs motto you are quoting there.
The tram system is all part of their 'fairer society' in Scotland. It now costs a fair bit more to get to the airport, and takes a fair bit longer.
Surely any normal person going to the airport gets a taxi or a lift in a car anyway?The tram system is all part of their 'fairer society' in Scotland. It now costs a fair bit more to get to the airport, and takes a fair bit longer.
I don't know how many times I've flown from Glasgow and Edinburgh. I do know that zero times I've taken public transport to get there.
Unless the tram was literally outside my door and half the price what benefit is there in it? Business I want fast and hassle free. Holidays? Humping cases to the tram stop and standing with plebs having to keep an eye on the kids and the cases bla bla. No thanks.
technodup said:
urely any normal person going to the airport gets a taxi or a lift in a car anyway?
I don't know how many times I've flown from Glasgow and Edinburgh. I do know that zero times I've taken public transport to get there.
Unless the tram was literally outside my door and half the price what benefit is there in it? Business I want fast and hassle free. Holidays? Humping cases to the tram stop and standing with plebs having to keep an eye on the kids and the cases bla bla. No thanks.
I've done it a few times - pre kids as taxi would have been hundred of miles. I don't know how many times I've flown from Glasgow and Edinburgh. I do know that zero times I've taken public transport to get there.
Unless the tram was literally outside my door and half the price what benefit is there in it? Business I want fast and hassle free. Holidays? Humping cases to the tram stop and standing with plebs having to keep an eye on the kids and the cases bla bla. No thanks.
Would I do it now? Well would have to get a taxi to station and back then the train fare for our family the maths and hassle factor simply mean we'd never do it.
technodup said:
urely any normal person going to the airport gets a taxi or a lift in a car anyway?
I don't know how many times I've flown from Glasgow and Edinburgh. I do know that zero times I've taken public transport to get there.
Unless the tram was literally outside my door and half the price what benefit is there in it? Business I want fast and hassle free. Holidays? Humping cases to the tram stop and standing with plebs having to keep an eye on the kids and the cases bla bla. No thanks.
I've done it a few times - pre kids as taxi would have been hundred of miles. I don't know how many times I've flown from Glasgow and Edinburgh. I do know that zero times I've taken public transport to get there.
Unless the tram was literally outside my door and half the price what benefit is there in it? Business I want fast and hassle free. Holidays? Humping cases to the tram stop and standing with plebs having to keep an eye on the kids and the cases bla bla. No thanks.
Would I do it now? Well would have to get a taxi to station and back then the train fare for our family the maths and hassle factor simply mean we'd never do it.
this might be old, but looks like they have some interesting problems to solve/options.
have they decided which route & when yet?
http://windsorlink.co.uk/geographical-map/
(Nationalists may want to look away, there is a map which implies some money maybe spent near toff central, Eton)
///ajd said:
this might be old, but looks like they have some interesting problems to solve/options.
have they decided which route & when yet?
http://windsorlink.co.uk/geographical-map/
(Nationalists may want to look away, there is a map which implies some money maybe spent near toff central, Eton)
Not sure it was only agreed in principle last year give or take. have they decided which route & when yet?
http://windsorlink.co.uk/geographical-map/
(Nationalists may want to look away, there is a map which implies some money maybe spent near toff central, Eton)
Just read about this muppet:
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/ni...
Turns out this cybernat lost at the GE to give Labour its only seat in Scotland.
Going by this article:
https://www.holyrood.com/articles/comment/united-a...
It seems that the cybernationalists can be so vile that once exposed for they do actually start to put off voters.
Perhaps there is hope.
It appears the YES campaign wasn't as self financing as the SNP
http://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/scottish-po... had claimed.
http://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/scottish-po... had claimed.
Edited by NoNeed on Sunday 31st May 18:32
So the Yes campaign was bankrolled by the multimillionaire couple and the SNP (who also seem to get most of their cash from the multimillionaire couple)
If this was any other political party the nationalists would be outraged. Obviously the lies about the matter are par for the course with the SNP
If this was any other political party the nationalists would be outraged. Obviously the lies about the matter are par for the course with the SNP
Welshbeef said:
///ajd said:
I had a look on crossrail site and it does suggest there will be a link on crossrail into heathrow (in a tunnel).
Was not sure if this is new track or what heathrow express already uses?
It looks like it only caters for trains out of London though rather than trains from Reading?
When travelling from the west country I nearly always use a hire car into heathrow as the train links are rubbish - more expensive and not as quick - but I'd use them if I could get a direct train that arrived e.g. under terminal 5 from e.g. Bristol.
It's a totally new track from Slough to Heathrow. Was not sure if this is new track or what heathrow express already uses?
It looks like it only caters for trains out of London though rather than trains from Reading?
When travelling from the west country I nearly always use a hire car into heathrow as the train links are rubbish - more expensive and not as quick - but I'd use them if I could get a direct train that arrived e.g. under terminal 5 from e.g. Bristol.
Heathrow Express is Paddington to Heathrow
http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/top-stories/...
Didn't hear Sturgeon or Salmond carping on about the very obvious risk of a Yes vote resulting in Scotland needing to apply for EU membership. That application would have conditions attached that Scotland wouldn't have met. They lied about all that too (obviously )
Didn't hear Sturgeon or Salmond carping on about the very obvious risk of a Yes vote resulting in Scotland needing to apply for EU membership. That application would have conditions attached that Scotland wouldn't have met. They lied about all that too (obviously
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