Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 7

[Edinburger]

Troubleatmill said:

I'm still waiting for some good news SNP stories....

Here are the councillors of Edinburgh ( today )
http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/councillors/specificPa...
Does anyone have a list of councillors and their political affiliations from 2005 onwards?


And here is today's "money well spent story"
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-ea...

That sort of thing happens everywhere, and well you know it.

And why do you care so much about those councillors?

[Edinburger]

roadtripboy said:

Genuine question for the separatists.

Without wishing to turn this into a debate on the pros and cons of immigration: if the UK is such an awful, backwards country and only a regressive, imperialistic Tory would wish to live there, then why do people from half of Europe and beyond want to live here?

Maybe some of them like living in a country where you can do well for yourself if you are ambitious and work hard, whereas many Scots feel that the route to success is to stay in your hometown and whinge constantly

The vast majority of those Scots who support independence do not do so because of a hatred or dislike of rUK countries and their residents.

That's been covered many, many times here.

[Edinburger]

AC43 said:

gofasterrosssco said:

Yeah. And who would exactly would the lender of last resort have to be given the Icelandic level of over-exposure of the Scottish economy to the banking sector?

Er, that would have to be the Bank of England then.......

Glad we got some clarity on THAT then.....

And your point is?

Everyone knows the lender of last resort of the UK's central bank.

[Troubleatmill]

Edinburger said:

Troubleatmill said:

I'm still waiting for some good news SNP stories....

Here are the councillors of Edinburgh ( today )
http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/councillors/specificPa...
Does anyone have a list of councillors and their political affiliations from 2005 onwards?


And here is today's "money well spent story"
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-ea...

That sort of thing happens everywhere, and well you know it.

And why do you care so much about those councillors?

Central Scotland has been rife with Councillors, building contracts to family members for years...
Surely you know this?

I was going to see if there was any tie into serving councillors and the building firms.

[r11co]

Edinburger said:

Everyone knows the lender of last resort of the UK's central bank.

That was another arrangement put in place by a pragmatic UK government to prevent financial destabilisation in the interim period between a yes vote and secession. It was never going to be a permanent arrangement, but what was the permanent arrangement - who knows? Salmond certainly didn't want to lay out his vision of it.

Inevitably though it was only ever going to be Scottish 'pound' (once all the financial institutions, businesses and sensible money had climbed into the rUK lifeboat), followed by rapid and massive devaluation compared to Sterling, followed by entry into the Euro.

No wonder Salmond fudged it.

Edited by r11co on Friday 25th September 13:44

[roadtripboy]

Edinburger said:

The vast majority of those Scots who support independence do not do so because of a hatred or dislike of rUK countries and their residents.

That's been covered many, many times here.

I didn't say rUK. I said UK (which includes Scotland).

As I stated - Scottish separatists clearly dislike living in the UK, or they would not choose the massive gamble of separation (would they?). Is it not strange, then, that most of the rest of the world views a life in the UK as a fairly desirable affair?

[///ajd]

Edinburger said:

The vast majority of those Scots who support independence do not do so because of a hatred or dislike of rUK countries and their residents.

That's been covered many, many times here.

It has also been covered many times that the case for independence is fundamentally being pushed by the SNP.

The SNP are vigorously and blatantly pushing a nationalism based case for separatism - fueled by suggestions that Scotland is a victim of the union, morally superior and would be better off free of the shackles of oppressive Westminster.

I know you can't join the dots and see that such rhetoric is fundamentally anti rUK. But it is. In spades. The evidence that it is divisive, negative and victim based is totally and utterly overwhelming.

So, directly or indirectly, the campaign is absolutely driven in the way you like to try and insist it isn't - and many many folk have clearly fallen for it and they regurgitate similar nonsense on threads such as this.

Why do you insist such blatant victim based nationalism is not evident Burger?

Edited by ///ajd on Friday 25th September 20:56

[Troubleatmill]

Never a dull day with the SNP

Education
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/snp-sta...

Justice System
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/reveale...
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/608077/5-000-crim...

[Welshbeef]

Troubleatmill said:

Never a dull day with the SNP

Education
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/snp-sta...

Justice System
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/reveale...
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/608077/5-000-crim...

Interesting

[blinkythefish]

Troubleatmill said:

Never a dull day with the SNP

Education
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/snp-sta...

Justice System
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/reveale...
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/608077/5-000-crim...

It's ok though, they've reduced bed blocking so that no one is unnecessarily stuck in hospital for more than six weeks....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-pol...

Well, they've said that's the case, what does it matter that it hasn't actually happened.

[r11co]

blinkythefish said:

It's ok though, they've reduced bed blocking so that no one is unnecessarily stuck in hospital for more than six weeks....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-pol...

Well, they've said that's the case, what does it matter that it hasn't actually happened.

Welcome to the alternate reality that is the SNP. When your entire modus operandi is based on everything being someone else's fault, they resort to talking complete ste and arguing black is white when they realise there is no-one else in charge but them so no-one else to lay the blame at the feet of.

"We missed the targets, but actually we didn't because we say so".

[fluffnik]

Troubleatmill said:

Central Scotland has been rife with Councillors, building contracts to family members for years...
Surely you know this?

I was going to see if there was any tie into serving councillors and the building firms.

It is rumoured to be the case, particularly where it has previously been common practice to weigh the Labour vote...

Some council officials have been successfully prosecuted, some investigations remain quite distinctly live.

AFAIK all the alleged shenanigans predate the presence of the SNP in the administrations.

[r11co]

fluffnik said:

AFAIK all the alleged shenanigans predate the presence of the SNP in the administrations.

The SNP are not averse to a bit of thinly-vieled corruption to help out their buddies, and not just at council level..

Business that donated to SNP gets to buy back land for 6% of original value after SNP cancel project.

SNP politician gets temporary job on board of music festival company - orchestrates public funding.

SNP party doner 'wins' £3million NHS supply contract/

Nicola Sturgeon lobbies court to go lenient on multiple-conviction benefit fraudster.

SNP - a different brand of scumbag.

Edited by r11co on Sunday 27th September 08:29

[Edinburger]

r11co said:

fluffnik said:

AFAIK all the alleged shenanigans predate the presence of the SNP in the administrations.

The SNP are not averse to a bit of thinly-vieled corruption to help out their buddies, and not just at council level..

Business that donated to SNP gets to buy back land for 6% of original value after SNP cancel project.

SNP politician gets temporary job on board of music festival company - orchestrates public funding.

SNP party doner 'wins' £3million NHS supply contract/

Nicola Sturgeon lobbies court to go lenient on multiple-conviction benefit fraudster.

SNP - a different brand of scumbag.

Edited by r11co on Sunday 27th September 08:29

No different to any other British political party then? Although far less examples of corruption by the SNP.

[Blib]

Edinburger said:

No different to any other British political party then? Although far less examples of corruption by the SNP.

So, that's OK then.

[r11co]

Edinburger said:

Although far less examples of corruption by the SNP.

Bullst.

This just in: SNP front bencher involved in dodgy property deals.

If there are fewer examples it is only because they have had fewer opportunities due to their relatively short time holding the reins, but they are doing their damnedest to sink to the bottom of the pile.

However, their brainwashed support will proffer them Teflon™ status for a while yet (looking at you 'burger, you really are a blind fool).

SNP - A Different Brand of Scumbag.

[///ajd]

Blib said:

Edinburger said:

No different to any other British political party then? Although far less examples of corruption by the SNP.

So, that's OK then.

Yes no different.

The main parties in westminster are always blaming the scottish government for the deficit, and how all the overspending is down to all the cash from our capital being leeched north by greedy overpaid barnett addicts. They are always trying to say how the scots are inferior and life and politics would be much more equitable and fairer without them soaking up resources that don't belong to them.

Just read that back and see how outrageous it would be if the PM or opposition leader took that line. Then reflect on what Alex and Nicola keep saying. Then tell us again how civic nationalism is 'not a bad thing'. With a straight face.

[NoNeed]

So it was empty words from Sturgeon.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3250573/SN...

[r11co]

NoNeed said:

So it was empty words from Sturgeon.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3250573/SN...

Does she use any others?

[Axionknight]

Does it matter? Their legions of fool voters will lap it up anyway - so long as they hear someone else is to blame.