Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 7
Discussion
k ups, embarrassments and crooked MPs their comms dept are in meltdown. The propaganda machine is down, it's not getting through to the footsoldiers.Welshbeef said:
Well that's a good result no question.
Let's see how this usage continues there may or may not be a novelty factor none the less if the payback only required 625k users a year then it's a cheap option.
Of course it wouldn't be the case at all that a deliberately low target figure was set in order to ensure that the project could be declared a success. Not at all like the SNP to game a system for their own benefit now, is it....?Let's see how this usage continues there may or may not be a novelty factor none the less if the payback only required 625k users a year then it's a cheap option.
Edinburger said:
Good to see that the Borders Railway has been hailed a "soaraway success" and has seen 125K journeys in its first month whereas forecasters had predicted it would carry 650K passengers a year.
And what did the cynics say on PH?
Did I miss the relation to Scottish Indepenence/referendum? And what did the cynics say on PH?
r11co said:
Of course it wouldn't be the case at all that a deliberately low target figure was set in order to ensure that the project could be declared a success. Not at all like the SNP to game a system for their own benefit now, is it....?
600k a year, 50k a month, 1.5k a day, 100 people per train journey or so is that? It's cars off our roads at least! (Or perhaps just bums off bus seats?)
NoNeed said:
So you will have a date when all the public money will be repaid and no more subsidies collected by the operators?
Perhaps the borders rail TOC are operating like just about every other franchised TOC in the UK - paying track access charges and taking subsidy from central government.If it's a great success they could even pay cash back to the treasury - just like East Coast did when being operated by government until it was quickly 'sold'...
Why does the borders railway have to operate differently?
technodup said:
It's lovely to see you here legzr1 but can we please keep rail related claptrap on another thread?
You might want to start one for the purpose rather than infect every other with union bla bla.
Sorry, I was commenting on a rail-related question which seems to have some incorrect preconceptions.You might want to start one for the purpose rather than infect every other with union bla bla.
Maybe I should:
Do as you say.
Follow the normal procedure in this thread and get angry and shouty.
Wait for uninformed nonsense from you, out of your depth on the subject but you'll argue until people just give up.
Decisions, decisions.
By the way, I think you'll find my comment/opinion on around four threads in the entire NPE forum in the last year or so - infected every thread have I?
Jesus, sidicks V1.01 with even less charm
legzr1 said:
Sorry, I was commenting on a rail-related question which seems to have some incorrect preconceptions.
It's a thread about independence. The only reason rail was brought up was as a boast/stick to hit them with dependent on your view on independence.It's a month in, nobody knows whether it will be a success or not, I don't particularly care and in the grand scheme it means next to nothing.
If you want to endear yourself to the thread find a misdemeanor by the SNP, or congratulate Ruth Davidson on her speech today.
technodup said:
t's a thread about independence. The only reason rail was brought up was as a boast/stick to hit them with dependent on your view on independence.
It's a month in, nobody knows whether it will be a success or not, I don't particularly care and in the grand scheme it means next to nothing.
If you want to endear yourself to the thread find a misdemeanor by the SNP, or congratulate Ruth Davidson on her speech today.
If it's all the same to you I'd rather wait until I get an answer to my post before allowing you to dictate which way the thread goes.It's a month in, nobody knows whether it will be a success or not, I don't particularly care and in the grand scheme it means next to nothing.
If you want to endear yourself to the thread find a misdemeanor by the SNP, or congratulate Ruth Davidson on her speech today.
Whether you care and how much it matters to you isn't really important in the grand scheme of things
legzr1 said:
If it's all the same to you I'd rather wait until I get an answer to my post before allowing you to dictate which way the thread goes.
The thread goes backward and forward around Scottish independence because it's a Scottish independence thread- anything else is incidental.It's being going round in circles for 7 volumes, it really doesn't need taken off topic onto your specialist subjects of train operating companies and union demands. That is how threads get closed.
technodup said:
he thread goes backward and forward around Scottish independence because it's a Scottish independence thread- anything else is incidental.
It's being going round in circles for 7 volumes, it really doesn't need taken off topic onto your specialist subjects of train operating companies and union demands. That is how threads get closed.
You're the only one mentioning unions.It's being going round in circles for 7 volumes, it really doesn't need taken off topic onto your specialist subjects of train operating companies and union demands. That is how threads get closed.
Let it go, move on, let me get an answer and you can mind your own business.
It's the first new railway built in decades, gets thousands of passengers off the roads and into the centre of a capital city and the SNP have had a great deal to do with it from the inception - early days, but it's doing very well and exceeding expectations - there's even serious talk of extending it over to Carlisle.
This is 'on topic' - your moaning and attempts to stop me adding anything are 'off topic' - that's what gets threads closed.
legzr1 said:
NoNeed said:
So you will have a date when all the public money will be repaid and no more subsidies collected by the operators?
Perhaps the borders rail TOC are operating like just about every other franchised TOC in the UK - paying track access charges and taking subsidy from central government.If it's a great success they could even pay cash back to the treasury - just like East Coast did when being operated by government until it was quickly 'sold'...
Why does the borders railway have to operate differently?
It is also the SNO that bangs on about foodbanks yet wastes money on a train set.
Lets face it, doing everything the same way the UK government do is hardly the best argument for independence is it.
Edited by NoNeed on Wednesday 7th October 22:13
technodup said:
he ambition of the SNP knows no bounds.
I don't know, I'm not privy to their inner workings.I do see they make some questionable (bordering on mad) decisions at times but reinstating a strategic rail link isn't one of them - the fact it's righting a Tory-led wrong from 1969 makes it all the better to many Scots.
Anyway, I received my non-answer to a genuine question so I'll leave you all to it.
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