Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 7

[gofasterrosssco]

I seen this just there, and while the 'sentiment' is correct, its interesting how she refers to 'the cause' before going on to add the almost secondary thought that 'oh, (& its wrong)'...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-pol...

I've maybe become a bit hyper-sensitive to these things, but Nats rarely fail to disappoint..

[roachcoach]

Last time I heard the word 'cause' referred to in those terms, it was by a fella sporting a balaclava.

Funny what images a phrase triggers.

[AC43]

gofasterrosssco said:

I seen this just there, and while the 'sentiment' is correct, its interesting how she refers to 'the cause' before going on to add the almost secondary thought that 'oh, (& its wrong)'...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-pol...

I've maybe become a bit hyper-sensitive to these things, but Nats rarely fail to disappoint..

I thought the once in a generation referendum vote had happened and that the No's were defeated by full 10%. Furthermore I distinctly recall hearing the SNP referring to the aftermath of the vote reflecting the "settled will of the people". Yes? Good.

So this "cause" must be that of running Scotland properly? You know; police, healthcare, education and so on? Which is great news as it needs some serious attention.

[simoid]

roachcoach said:

Last time I heard the word 'cause' referred to in those terms, it was by a fella sporting a balaclava.

Funny what images a phrase triggers.

Careful now, you might bait Edinburger out of hiding by referring to Anglo-Irish tensions on this thread.

[AC43]

And by the way, if you don't like the Conservatives (especially Margaret Thatcher) best not collude in the House of Commons to put her into power in the first place.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scotland/99...

[Axionknight]

[r11co]

Those of a republican leaning who believe that independence would be a vindication and legitimisation of their position would very quickly come up against pro-independence, pro-monarchists seeking a relationship closer to that enjoyed by commonwealth countries.

With the SNP redundant and no united front for all these factions to put aside their differences for, cue civil war in Scotland.

I am firmly of the opinion that the reason Scottish independence as a political issue provokes frankly reprehensible and abusive behaviour in otherwise seemingly moderate and self-controlled people, the sort of behaviour that the rest of the country finds frankly baffling, is that the emotions involved push the same buttons in those people as what leads to bouts of sectarian bigotry and violence breaking out. All the more worrying that certain people within the SNP sought to tap into those emotions for their own furtherance.

Edited by r11co on Monday 19th October 16:44

[fluffnik]

r11co said:

Those of a republican leaning who believe that independence would be a vindication and legitimisation of their position would very quickly come up against pro-independence, pro-monarchists seeking a relationship closer to that enjoyed by commonwealth countries.

There are 32 republics in the Commonwealth of Nations, formerly, prior to 1949, the British Commonwealth, whilst 16 retain the British Monarch as head of state and 5 have their own monarchies.

I would strongly support the new Republic of Scotland being a member of the Commonwealth of Nations.

Scottish, indeed British, republicanism tends to come from a basis of secularism and has little if anything to do with Ireland or sectarianism.

[r11co]

fluffnik said:

I would strongly support the new Republic of Scotland being a member of the Commonwealth of Nations.

Maybe you would, but Natalie McGarry MP and Dr. Paul Monaghan MP are two high profile proponents of Scottish independence who do not share your vision.

fluffnik said:

Scottish <snip> republicanism tends to come from a basis of secularism and has little if anything to do with Ireland or sectarianism.

Take off the rose-tinted glasses. I've heard enough drum-beats and flutes on the streets here to know that statement is complete arse. The lines are very much drawn on religious grounds. Your equating Scottish republicanism with British republicanism is wholly invalid.

Edited by r11co on Monday 19th October 16:59

[Troubleatmill]

r11co said:

fluffnik said:

I would strongly support the new Republic of Scotland being a member of the Commonwealth of Nations.

Maybe you would, but Natalie McGarry MP and Dr. Paul Monaghan MP are two high profile proponents of Scottish independence who do not share your vision.

fluffnik said:

Scottish <snip> republicanism tends to come from a basis of secularism and has little if anything to do with Ireland or sectarianism.

Take off the rose-tinted glasses. I've heard enough drum-beats and flutes on the streets here to know that statement is complete arse. The lines are very much drawn on religious grounds. Your equating Scottish republicanism with British republicanism is wholly invalid.

Edited by r11co on Monday 19th October 16:59

Hmm... The SNP had that lovely collective known as the 79 Group.
Worth a read if you are unclear about their history.

And IIRC Sinn Fein extended an invite to them for a wee chin wag.

And Salmond was a key figure...

Ah.... how it all comes back...

Whatever side of the debate you are on... worth a read.




Edit... just found this. Wow! Just Wow! http://www.scottishrepublicansocialistmovement.org...

Edited by Troubleatmill on Monday 19th October 18:03

[AC43]

Troubleatmill said:

Edit... just found this. Wow! Just Wow! http://www.scottishrepublicansocialistmovement.org...

Where's my foil hat?

"Most people remember Defoe for his novel, "Robinson Crusoe", which was actually based on an even greater story of a marooned buccaneer, Andrew Selkirk of Largo, in Fife. Few remember Defoe as a paid English spy for the Treaty of Union, given funds to report back and bride MPs. His propaganda work on the Treaty of Union has been used by the establishment "historians" in "Scottish" Universities, or spy centres, ever since."

[///ajd]

AC43 said:

Troubleatmill said:

Edit... just found this. Wow! Just Wow! http://www.scottishrepublicansocialistmovement.org...

Where's my foil hat?

"Most people remember Defoe for his novel, "Robinson Crusoe", which was actually based on an even greater story of a marooned buccaneer, Andrew Selkirk of Largo, in Fife. Few remember Defoe as a paid English spy for the Treaty of Union, given funds to report back and bride MPs. His propaganda work on the Treaty of Union has been used by the establishment "historians" in "Scottish" Universities, or spy centres, ever since."

"We must do our best to .... end the infamous Scottish cringe."

I suspect they fail to see hte irony in the way the whole website just serves to perpetuate the cringe by being an unrelenting victim whinge.

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above, it is interesting to hear Sturgeon talk about "our cause". As above, the mask slips and it becomes clear that serving Scotlands best interests is a distant second to the "independence at any cost" mantra. I really hope the opposition can be unrelenting in removing that mask (shh don't mention indyref2) in the run up to May 16.

[Alpacaman]

http://www.capx.co/jk-rowling-and-her-heroic-attac...

Not sure if this has been posted, some delightful comments from the Rev at WOS.

[Rollin]

Alpacaman said:

http://www.capx.co/jk-rowling-and-her-heroic-attac...

Not sure if this has been posted, some delightful comments from the Rev at WOS.

Some people on this thread give him money.

[AC43]

Alpacaman said:

http://www.capx.co/jk-rowling-and-her-heroic-attac...

Not sure if this has been posted, some delightful comments from the Rev at WOS.

That's a great piece.

"there is a strain of nationalist thinking so petty, so chippy, so blinkered and bigoted that it has no room for anything else....it is a rancid worldview determining the acceptability of your Scottish credentials by the political views you hold. It is a kind of corruption, a putrefaction of the soul deeming one group of Scots more authentic and deserving than another."

And the fake rev from WoS decides that Gaving Hastings, one of Scotland's best ever players can "F**k off" because he's not a Nat.

Makes me ashamed and embarassed to be a Scot.

[///ajd]

Alpacaman said:

http://www.capx.co/jk-rowling-and-her-heroic-attac...

Not sure if this has been posted, some delightful comments from the Rev at WOS.

I liked JKs put down about actually living in Scotland, contributing tax, not bile.

Why does the Rev live in Bath not Scotland? Does he have an actual real job in Bath? I assumed he was some sort of freelance worker who could live anywhere (including I presume Scotland).

If he has an employer, I wonder what they make of his hate speech?

[barryrs]

Wings is a nice earner for the Rev.

http://wingsoverscotland.com/donate/

I'd love to see the accounts.

[///ajd]

barryrs said:

Wings is a nice earner for the Rev.

http://wingsoverscotland.com/donate/

I'd love to see the accounts.

If its enough to earn a living, you would think he could relocate if he wanted to. I'm not saying he should move, but would have thought such a rampant nationalist might perhaps want to live in the fatherland?

[NoNeed]

Has Trollburger delivered the promised response yet?

[simoid]

NoNeed said:

Has Trollburger delivered the promised response yet?

Has Alex Salmond revealed a tattoo of a Union Jack on the good ship Britannia on his arse?