Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 7

[Sway]

Edinburger said:

Sway - my view is that it's a lot of nonsense. Not unusual to read academic rubbish which delivers very little for progress.

What's a lot of nonsense? The report you yourself linked to without comment? Or the potential causal factors behind the results?

If the former, why post it at all, especially without giving your viewpoint? If the latter, the reason I posted my full thinking was to encourage peer review and debate.

[r11co]

Edinburger said:

Explain myself? Regarding those three words?

No, explain why you continue to present the SNP as a credible party of government when their own chief policy adviser has damned them and by inference their supporters by revealing that they are bereft of policies and riding the wave of a movement that was misrepresented at the time and has since been exposed to be a pipedream.

I said earlier in the thread that SNP supporters deserve nothing but contempt because they are either willing idiots or blinding themselves to the realities.

Alex Bell's blog pretty much underlines that, and your attempt to wriggle some credibility for the SNP by repeatedly stating they are no worse than the alternatives damns them further because it contradicts the platform they claim to stand on and undermines them further.

[Troubleatmill]

Alex Bell wrote something that everyone with simple numerical skills knows already.
If you remember that leaked memo from a Mr Sweeny where he himself is on record that the numbers don't stack up.

[gofasterrosssco]

Troubleatmill said:

Alex Bell wrote something that everyone with simple numerical skills knows already.
If you remember that leaked memo from a Mr Sweeny where he himself is on record that the numbers don't stack up.

Its irrelevant though, as the Nationalist vision is not based on reality or common sense, its based on belief with the concept of an external agressor / force attempting to control us.

Hence Alex Bell will now be accused of "being paid off by Tory's" or similar as Nats try to reconcile the reality that one of the architects of their referendum vision has admitted that from an economic perspective, the concept is fundamentally flawed, and that it always was..

[Ridgemont]

r11co said:

Alex Salmond's chief policy adviser says independence cause is dead.

I know the above link has already been posted, but what was not clear from the blog posting is that it was by Alex Bell, former chief policy adviser to Alex Salmond. One has to wonder what his motivation is, but his point is clear - the SNP are free-wheeling at the moment, propelled on by their popularity, but this isn't going to sustain them.
<snip>

I suspect his motivation is pretty much as his final paragraph;

Alex Bell said:

It is for another generation to do the hard work of thinking through all the implications, and then deciding if independence is the right thing to do. By that point Britain will be different, Europe will be different and the world will have fundamentally changed. Perhaps there is no harm in all of this: some political misdirection; ultimately settling for a better deal than before; nobody shot in the process. But it serves neither devolved Scotland nor the people who wish for independence.

"i.e. the facts were what lost it. We woz rumbled. Everyone knows it. Sturgeon is playing for time, but we'll lose the next attempt (if anyone even proposes another ref). This is the wrong direction for the true believers. We need to sort out the white paper, and nail the economic case otherwise we'll never be independent".

Which to be fair was what everyone on the thread, bar the likes of Fluff, were saying by the time of the ref. Burger even voted No because the argument is flawed. For all the sturm und drang, the reality is that Independence cause is no further forward than it was in 1998 and probably won't get any nearer under Sturgeon's policy. Bell clearly wants the SNP/indyheads to return to first principles. The problem for true believers is that there is no easy way of gaining +50% while simultaneously saying 'you'll be poorer for it'.

[///ajd]

Edinburger said:

///ajd said:

Edinburger said:

NoNeed said:

Edinburger said:

simoid said:

Edinburger said:

- He says "The fact is a gap exists - Scotland does not earn enough to pay for its current level of spending" but we do not know this

Provide some (any) credible evidence to support the assertion that "Scotland earns enough to pay for its current level of spending", please.

I refer you to Volume 1, Volume 2, Volume 3, Volume 4, Volume 5, Volume 6 and Volume 7 of this 'debate' and you'll see it's been covered umpteen times.

You must have missed the word "credible" I have never seen any and I have been here since volume 1.

I agree that you've made no credible contributions since volume 1.

Pot calling the kettle! Although to be fair your contributions have been instrumental in giving everyone a fantastic, almost real time demonstration of cybernat/SNP bullsh*t and bluster and kindly allowing us all here to tear the pitiful arguments to pieces, bit by bit.

Really, to try and say Scotland pays (more) than its way you really are on a whole new planet of delusional. If that was the case, then Sturgeon would be begging for the Barnett formula to be binned and to implement FFA immediately. But that is not the case, is it?

LOL at the accent post BTW, it is almost as if you are screaming that Scots are BETTER at keeping their accent than the USELESS homogenous English. And a study proves Scots are BETTER, so you are HAPPY. Being BETTER is important, eh? Can possibly be all in this together, can we?

Hang on a sec, the piece re. Scotland pays its way was quoted from an article. You know my view - we do not know this information.

And no, the article re. accents was just a bot of humour. Something that's vanished from this thread some time ago. And we all know why...

I think you must be the only one who clings to the "we do not know" straw when pretty much EVERY commentator and statistic (that is not a biased SNP stooge source, or taken from "wangers in bath") suggests we really do know.

This thread is still funny now and then. It has lost something since the wit of McWigglebum left, but some of the antics of the SNP reported here are so absurd you can't help but smile.

It is all very sad for Scotland and the UK, but if you didn't laugh etc....

[NoNeed]

I'm sure Claireburger will be along shortly with a squirrel.

http://cybernatclairerobertson.blogspot.ae/2015/11...

[technodup]

Brilliant.

A fat SNP war gamer into photos of dead men's cocks who buys fake likes for his pretend female persona.

Lives alone you say?

[Axionknight]

NoNeed said:

I'm sure Claireburger will be along shortly with a squirrel.

http://cybernatclairerobertson.blogspot.ae/2015/11...

Excellent link but I don't think it's right to go linking Mr Burger to the man in question- unless you have proof of course?

[///ajd]

NoNeed said:

I'm sure Claireburger will be along shortly with a squirrel.

http://cybernatclairerobertson.blogspot.ae/2015/11...

Wow. Just wow.

Another bit of evidence to plot on the IQ/Yes-voter chart.

[Einion Yrth]

To be fair, it's one total loon in about 2 and a half million yessers. Doubtless there are others, but it doesn't seem likely that that's a particularly excessive proportion of any interest group.

[Troubleatmill]

Axionknight said:

NoNeed said:

I'm sure Claireburger will be along shortly with a squirrel.

http://cybernatclairerobertson.blogspot.ae/2015/11...

Excellent link but I don't think it's right to go linking Mr Burger to the man in question- unless you have proof of course?

^ This.

Edinburger has provided tremendous comedy value to this thread
I think I compared him to Comical Ali at some point

And day after day that another SNP mistruth or down right blatant lie is exposed.... he comes on here, rain or shine and declares that "We are crushing out enemy.... do not look at their tanks in the background..."....

It takes balls of steel to still believe in the product - especially when it is repeatedly rumbled to be arse gravy.
Every economist of note and even the key architects Sweeney and Bell have said... " Our numbers are basically wk!"

But it isn't right to compare him to a single man, pretending to be a woman etc etc

[NoNeed]

Axionknight said:

Excellent link but I don't think it's right to go linking Mr Burger to the man in question- unless you have proof of course?

I was merely aking the point that all cybernats are the same and will tell whatever lies they feel like. We may aswell call him claire as we don't even know if it is a him.

[NoNeed]

Troubleatmill said:

But it isn't right to compare him to a single man, pretending to be a woman etc etc

Didn't he pretend to have pensions information?


What's the difference? fake is fake.

[Welshbeef]

NoNeed said:

Troubleatmill said:

But it isn't right to compare him to a single man, pretending to be a woman etc etc

Didn't he pretend to have pensions information?


What's the difference? fake is fake.

Yes important info but an NDA stopped him stating what it was which would impact the vote.



Oddly as the vote has long gone and therefore the NDA as it is not a lifetime NDA just up until the outcome of the vote this info despite being pressed is not forthcoming.

[Axionknight]

NoNeed said:

Axionknight said:

Excellent link but I don't think it's right to go linking Mr Burger to the man in question- unless you have proof of course?

I was merely aking the point that all cybernats are the same and will tell whatever lies they feel like. We may aswell call him claire as we don't even know if it is a him.

Maybe it's you and you're here on some sort of double agent spy ruse ;-)

Or maybe it's me :O

[NoNeed]

Axionknight said:

Maybe it's you and you're here on some sort of double agent spy ruse ;-)

Or maybe it's me :O

Maybe

[r11co]

I'm Edinburger, and so is my wife.

[barryrs]

r11co said:

I'm Edinburger, and so is my ENGLISH wife.

[simoid]