Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 7
Discussion
barryrs said:
Unfortunately this ridiculousness has spread throughout the land.
The SNP stating that a Tory government when Scotland doesn't vote Tory is undemocratic has also been taken up by all other loosing party supporters.
Nearly 3 times as many people voted UKIP as SNP. Nearly double voted LibDem. How ironic then that the SNP use their disproportionate representation to wreck UK democracy.The SNP stating that a Tory government when Scotland doesn't vote Tory is undemocratic has also been taken up by all other loosing party supporters.
Pot, kettle etc.
Any SNP member, representative or supporter who invokes the 'government that we didn't vote for' argument is a rank hypocrite and/or an idiot.
NoNeed said:
Edinburger said:
What do you mean? Are you saying a vote for the Conservatives is as meaningful as not voting?!
You know very well what I mean, so stop trolling.Edited by NoNeed on Monday 23 November 10:33
simoid said:
I think it's perfectly fair to point out that 38% or 1.6m of the electorate voted for independence, to counteract the nationalist view that they represent/have the support of nearly half of Scotland, which is evidently not true.
So do I when the actuall figure to make their statement correct would be nearly 1 third of Scotland.NoNeed said:
Axionknight said:
No: 55.30
Yes: 44.70
This wasn't a first past the post election, it required a majority outcome, the Yes campaign received just less than 45% of the vote, no more, no less, and using any other figures is just disingenuous tbh.
38% of the electorate voted yes, that is the only right and true figure.Yes: 44.70
This wasn't a first past the post election, it required a majority outcome, the Yes campaign received just less than 45% of the vote, no more, no less, and using any other figures is just disingenuous tbh.
Edited by NoNeed on Sunday 22 November 15:49
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Edinburger said:
Just as a matter of interest r11co, why would you expect me to spend time reading this?
Like all of us, Alex Bell is entitled to his views and like all of us his views are entitles to change over time.
I sped read the article and most if not all of the points made were discussed in earlier volumes, perhaps before you joined us.
And unlike many here (it would appear), I have moved on with life after the referendum. I objectively considered and voted accordingly once my decision had been made. There will not be another referendum for a few decades in my view. So I'm not going to get excited when someone changes their mind about something.
It should be of interest as it strikes at the heart of the credibility of the SNP in everything they do.Like all of us, Alex Bell is entitled to his views and like all of us his views are entitles to change over time.
I sped read the article and most if not all of the points made were discussed in earlier volumes, perhaps before you joined us.
And unlike many here (it would appear), I have moved on with life after the referendum. I objectively considered and voted accordingly once my decision had been made. There will not be another referendum for a few decades in my view. So I'm not going to get excited when someone changes their mind about something.
Your vigorous defence of your beloved SNP on here suggests you have not moved on at all - or perhaps are in denial as to how the SNP still shape everything they do on an independence/grievance basis.
Either way, surely any avid SNP supporter would draw breath at one of ALex's closest aids saying it was all nonsense? Unless they were so closely involved they know it for the scam that it is, and want to ignore it, and call squirrel.
Hmmmm.
They are, however, the best of a bad bunch in my view. They're doing good as a Scottish government. Have delivered more than any previous Scottish government.
Wouldn't you love a viable alternative, eh?
r11co said:
Edinburger said:
Just as a matter of interest r11co, why would you expect me to spend time reading this?
For the same reason Alex Bell expected you to read the White Paper.If you choose to comment while uninformed then your comment is worthless 'burger.
The SNP are now just power players creating an authoritarian government.
If you'd read, you'd see I questioned why I should read it.
I read the White paper because it was worthwhile to do so then. Things have moved on now.
Axionknight said:
NoNeed said:
Axionknight said:
No: 55.30
Yes: 44.70
This wasn't a first past the post election, it required a majority outcome, the Yes campaign received just less than 45% of the vote, no more, no less, and using any other figures is just disingenuous tbh.
38% of the electorate voted yes, that is the only right and true figure.Yes: 44.70
This wasn't a first past the post election, it required a majority outcome, the Yes campaign received just less than 45% of the vote, no more, no less, and using any other figures is just disingenuous tbh.
Edited by NoNeed on Sunday 22 November 15:49
Only sad sacks who think they have some sort of point to prove. I guess in that case the No side recieved less that half the vote share, can't really call that a majority in such an election can we? Shall we go through it all again?
Edited by Axionknight on Sunday 22 November 20:20
Isn't this qui tacet consentire videtur? He who remains silent is assumed to be in agreement?
Einion Yrth said:
Axionknight said:
NoNeed said:
Axionknight said:
No: 55.30
Yes: 44.70
This wasn't a first past the post election, it required a majority outcome, the Yes campaign received just less than 45% of the vote, no more, no less, and using any other figures is just disingenuous tbh.
38% of the electorate voted yes, that is the only right and true figure.Yes: 44.70
This wasn't a first past the post election, it required a majority outcome, the Yes campaign received just less than 45% of the vote, no more, no less, and using any other figures is just disingenuous tbh.
Edited by NoNeed on Sunday 22 November 15:49
Only sad sacks who think they have some sort of point to prove.
Great minds!barryrs said:
Unfortunately this ridiculousness has spread throughout the land.
The SNP stating that a Tory government when Scotland doesn't vote Tory is undemocratic has also been taken up by all other loosing party supporters.
Anyone of any political persuasion could save FPTP is undemocratic.The SNP stating that a Tory government when Scotland doesn't vote Tory is undemocratic has also been taken up by all other loosing party supporters.
r11co said:
barryrs said:
Unfortunately this ridiculousness has spread throughout the land.
The SNP stating that a Tory government when Scotland doesn't vote Tory is undemocratic has also been taken up by all other loosing party supporters.
Nearly 3 times as many people voted UKIP as SNP. Nearly double voted LibDem. How ironic then that the SNP use their disproportionate representation to wreck UK democracy.The SNP stating that a Tory government when Scotland doesn't vote Tory is undemocratic has also been taken up by all other loosing party supporters.
Pot, kettle etc.
Any SNP member, representative or supporter who invokes the 'government that we didn't vote for' argument is a rank hypocrite and/or an idiot.
Axionknight said:
DocJock said:
No: 55.30Yes: 44.70
This wasn't a first past the post election, it required a majority outcome, the Yes campaign received just less than 45% of the vote, no more, no less, and using any other figures is just disingenuous tbh.
You asked where the 38% figure came from.
I posted a link from which basic arithmetic could provide the answer to your query.
If you are incapable of simple arithmetic that is your problem.
I made no comment either way on the relevance or otherwise of said 38% figure so instead of getting arsey and superior, wind yer neck in.
simoid said:
NoNeed said:
Edinburger said:
What do you mean? Are you saying a vote for the Conservatives is as meaningful as not voting?!
You know very well what I mean, so stop trolling.Edited by NoNeed on Monday 23 November 10:33
No, they didn't.
End of.
NoNeed said:
simoid said:
I think it's perfectly fair to point out that 38% or 1.6m of the electorate voted for independence, to counteract the nationalist view that they represent/have the support of nearly half of Scotland, which is evidently not true.
So do I when the actuall figure to make their statement correct would be nearly 1 third of Scotland.Troubleatmill said:
Edinburger said:
Troubleatmill said:
(1) Forming -> (2) Storming -> (3) Norming -> (4) Performing -> (5) Mourning.
Burger is in stage 5.
Ha ha you need a stage 6 for 'moved on'!Burger is in stage 5.
And I've always said that the SNP are a viable alternative to Lib/Lab/Con. They've been a good government for Scotland and I'd describe them as the best of a bad bunch.
Never mind semantics about electoral percentages when there's another scandal brewing...
http://news.stv.tv/scotland-decides/news/1333481-s...
Two MPs being investigated for financial 'irregularities' in the space of a few months? Having to wheel Anwar out to plead her innocence?
Smoke? Fire? Squirrel?
At this rate they'll not have any MPs come the next GE. Which obviously we'd be better for but still...
http://news.stv.tv/scotland-decides/news/1333481-s...
Two MPs being investigated for financial 'irregularities' in the space of a few months? Having to wheel Anwar out to plead her innocence?
Smoke? Fire? Squirrel?
At this rate they'll not have any MPs come the next GE. Which obviously we'd be better for but still...
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