Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 7
Discussion
Edinburger said:
Tell me about her past?
She was implicated in the recent case where Thomas Ball pleaded guilty to offences under the Communications Act. Although Thomas took the fall for offensive online comments directed at former SNP members who had left the party following political disagreements, it is widely known that McGarry was behind many of the tweets.She has also never hidden her sectarian beliefs.
Edited by r11co on Monday 23 November 21:20
Edinburger said:
technodup said:
Edinburger said:
technodup said:
Edinburger said:
It's suggestions of reported discrepancies in the accounts. Let's not get excited.
Aye, because the first thing I would do if someone noticed a discrepancy in my accounts would be to run to my high profile criminal defence lawyer and have him issue a statement...There's a theme here, SNP MP, money missing/dubiously obtained, Police investigation, Aamer Anwar involved, nothing to see here
k. WFI can't be a large group, and certainly the committee must all know each other. So when the discrepancy comes to light they discuss it and clearly McGarry's answers didn't explain it so they called the Police. She then shat herself and phoned every criminals favourite lawyer Anwar.If this was just a simple misunderstanding, missing invoice or whatever why are WFI going to the polis about one of their founder members? And why does she need Scotland's 'top' criminal defence lawyer on her side?
Smelly smelly.
Edinburger said:
Perhaps its party policy to involve the lawyer to help manage a situation?
It's widely quoted he is 'her' lawyer rather than the SNP lawyer of choice. Not that means they're mutually exclusive of course.Either way she's a repulsive piece of s
t not worthy of the office.There's a surprise.. Rejected! Comprehensively I'm glad to say.. I'm sure they'll try to make some political hay about the obvious differences between North / South of the border, especially as they try to over-shadow the McGarry stuff..
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-34911204
That's them down to 54 now. McGarry's resigned the whip.
The hypocrisy of this lot astounds me, even for MPs. And they're trying to convince us Scotland would be better in their hands? You'd have to be certified mental to want this load of amateur freeloaders, over promoted social workers and glorified parish councillors anywhere near government. Utter scum. Get them to fk.
The hypocrisy of this lot astounds me, even for MPs. And they're trying to convince us Scotland would be better in their hands? You'd have to be certified mental to want this load of amateur freeloaders, over promoted social workers and glorified parish councillors anywhere near government. Utter scum. Get them to f
k. Edited by technodup on Tuesday 24th November 18:26
technodup said:
That's them down to 54 now. McGarry's resigned the whip.
The hypocrisy of this lot astounds me, even for MPs. And they're trying to convince us Scotland would be better in their hands? You'd have to be certified mental to want this load of amateur freeloaders, over promoted social workers and glorified parish councillors anywhere near government. Utter scum. Get them to fk.
She's resigned the whip? The hypocrisy of this lot astounds me, even for MPs. And they're trying to convince us Scotland would be better in their hands? You'd have to be certified mental to want this load of amateur freeloaders, over promoted social workers and glorified parish councillors anywhere near government. Utter scum. Get them to f
k. Edited by technodup on Tuesday 24th November 18:26
I thought Burger said there was nothing to see here?
Surely our SNP stalwart was not wrong AGAIN?
How long will they take to find out if the first one is guilty?
It always amazes me (or perhaps not given the political climate up here) that more isn't made about the way the SNP have handed out public money to various pro SNP 'charities' over the years. The charity Hamza Yousaf MSP was involved in running, the Scottish Islamic Foundation, was given more than £400,000 in public money by the SNP Government. The charity run by the political butterfly Tasmina Ahmed-Sheikh MP was given £16,000 just days after she formed it- £10,000 of this was spent on a launch party.
Just how many other MPs/MSPs have previously worked for groups which have been given public funding and has all of this money been accounted for?
When the SNP MPs first arrived in London after the election they promised us that they were going to 'clean up Westminster', 'show us a new brand of politics' etc etc. Well McGarry and the other alleged SNP crook Michelle Thomson should resign from their seats and force a by-election. Losing the whip is meaningless because the 2 will still sit with their former colleagues and vote along with them too no doubt.
Just how many other MPs/MSPs have previously worked for groups which have been given public funding and has all of this money been accounted for?
When the SNP MPs first arrived in London after the election they promised us that they were going to 'clean up Westminster', 'show us a new brand of politics' etc etc. Well McGarry and the other alleged SNP crook Michelle Thomson should resign from their seats and force a by-election. Losing the whip is meaningless because the 2 will still sit with their former colleagues and vote along with them too no doubt.
///ajd said:
technodup said:
That's them down to 54 now. McGarry's resigned the whip.
The hypocrisy of this lot astounds me, even for MPs. And they're trying to convince us Scotland would be better in their hands? You'd have to be certified mental to want this load of amateur freeloaders, over promoted social workers and glorified parish councillors anywhere near government. Utter scum. Get them to fk.
She's resigned the whip? The hypocrisy of this lot astounds me, even for MPs. And they're trying to convince us Scotland would be better in their hands? You'd have to be certified mental to want this load of amateur freeloaders, over promoted social workers and glorified parish councillors anywhere near government. Utter scum. Get them to f
k. Edited by technodup on Tuesday 24th November 18:26
I thought Burger said there was nothing to see here?
Surely our SNP stalwart was not wrong AGAIN?
How long will they take to find out if the first one is guilty?
I suppose we must remember they are a new breed of politician and behave to different standards.
When an SNP MP is allegedly caught being fraudulent and dishonest, they can remain MPs and there is "nothing to see here".
When an Lib Dem MP is caught leaking stories (based on a written record) about how at a meeting with the French, the SNP leader said she wanted the tories to win - presumably to keep the grudge and grievance going, it is vitally important that said MP must resign immediately!
54.
Could we hope for less than 50 by the Holyrood elections?
When an SNP MP is allegedly caught being fraudulent and dishonest, they can remain MPs and there is "nothing to see here".
When an Lib Dem MP is caught leaking stories (based on a written record) about how at a meeting with the French, the SNP leader said she wanted the tories to win - presumably to keep the grudge and grievance going, it is vitally important that said MP must resign immediately!
54.
Could we hope for less than 50 by the Holyrood elections?
///ajd said:
Surely our SNP stalwart was not wrong AGAIN?
How long will they take to find out if the first one is guilty?
I REALLY hope he is wrong. If one or both of these amateur chancers are found guilty of something it might just demonstrate to some of our hard of thinking that the SNP are no different to all the others, and that that new, cleaner politics is a crock of sHow long will they take to find out if the first one is guilty?
t.The more SNP snouts in the trough the better for the union. Now if someone could just implicate Sturgeon somewhere along the way...
s2kjock said:
BlackLabel said:
The charity run by the political butterfly Tasmina Ahmed-Sheikh MP was given £16,000 just days after she formed it- £10,000 of this was spent on a launch party.
What charity was this and what is your source for the figures and what the money was spent on?It is a charity that someone managed to get lots of expenses out of and had a jolly good time.
And they might just dabble in politics.....
s2kjock said:
BlackLabel said:
The charity run by the political butterfly Tasmina Ahmed-Sheikh MP was given £16,000 just days after she formed it- £10,000 of this was spent on a launch party.
What charity was this and what is your source for the figures and what the money was spent on?http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/13102697.Claims...
Axionknight said:
Even if any by elections are called they'll win again.
People are stupid.
Well, they are just as bad as everyone else. They never said they'd be better. Well, they did but that doesn't matter. Oh and they might be a bit worse in reality but let's ignore that too.
And they're good for Scotland. Even though the NHS is doing worse than the rUK and the Police Scotland reforms have been a disaster. Oh and education outcomes are worse. But other than the NHS, the police and education (the major areas of devolved government), they are doing well. Maybe. Especially as they keep saying they have met most of their manifesto promises (everyone else points out that this is rubbish but I think I'll believe the SNP, thank you).
I particularly like, as a well-off middle class person, that they have preserved my benefits of free prescriptions and free tertiary education, even though they could have spent that money on getting rid of food banks. I also like that they haven't changed my tax rates whilst shouting loudly about Wastemonster cuts. That shows integrity. Well it doesn't but their shouting makes me feel I'm doing a social good arguing against austerity whilst not suffering personally at all to achieve anything positive. Which is nice.
I'll continue to vote SNP, despite there being no logical reasons to do so other than blind nationalism and financial self-interest. Because... Well, just because.
Did I tell you that my wife is English yet?
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Couple of interesting reads...
Are We Watching an Entire Movement Implode in Slow Motion?
Also...
Two more to fall, apparently. I'm betting on Dr. Paul Monaghan being next, and Tasmina jumping before she is pushed. Which brings us to the awkward question of why Alex Salmond's tax situation still remains unscrutinised....
Are We Watching an Entire Movement Implode in Slow Motion?
Also...
SNP Hell No said:
IS Ms STURGEON MORE POLITICALLY VULNERABLE THAN THE SNP?
Murdo Fraser has released an interesting Tweet, to the effect that, "2 down, and I heard tonight from an SNP MSP that there are another 2 to go. Wouldn't tell me who, though...".
As I wrote earlier, I seem to remember an unofficial admission from a conveniently anonymous SNP MSP that there "will be more Michelle Thomsons to come" in the wake of Ms Thomson's case. This fact alone poses the question of how on Earth could Ms Sturgeon possibly say she "had no idea" with a straight face, while members of other parties knew, having been told by representatives of Ms Sturgeon's own party?
Of course, the bigger picture is, this deprives Ms Sturgeon of using the "I had no idea" excuse when these next two SNP MPs/MSPs face the wall, now that a Scottish Conservative MSP has, via a nationalist colleague, told us all already.
The only comfortable outcome for Ms Sturgeon and the SNP regarding these next two "scandals" is to "retire" them quietly and without fanfare, unless of course, that they are huge instances of dishonour, impropriety and misconduct which the hounds of the press will be straining at the leash to sink their teeth into.
The fact is, Ms Sturgeon is losing control of the Westminster faction. It is a beast with two heads and many more faces. Angus Robertson purports to be leader in Westminster, but Mr Salmond can't quite adjust to his lesser rôle among the new members and is meddling in every affair where he has no business. This alone is causing damage to the "unity" that Ms Sturgeon demands of the party.
This has caused an undoubted rift in the greater party, certainly between where Ms Sturgeon and Mr Salmond stand, which ordinarily the SNP cannot afford to contemplate. As we are beginning to learn that Ms Sturgeon was on the brink of considering tendering her resignation after the failure of "her baby", the White Paper, we can acknowledge the certainty that she does not operate on all cylinders when under a huge amount of pressure. Perhaps the answer to this latest conundrum lies with the question of, "Who is Ms Sturgeon's natural successor?".
Any disunity within the party, Ms Sturgeon will seek to quash, lest the SNP volubly falls into disrepute in front of the entire electorate so close to an election; and the best way, the only way, to countenance this would be to rid themselves of immediate undesirables, or dead wood. With the startling failures over which the SNP currently preside, it might still be even now unrealistic to consider that there may be a behind the scenes movement to challenge Ms Sturgeon within the party, but the more scandals that come to light, could alter the impetus and change the minds of those soft YESers, who might have considered their vote before committing. These are/were people who were neither swayed by the alleged "scaremongering" of the Union, nor the parochial, rabid and unquestioning hatred of the ultras riding the coat-tails of the SNP. This would constitute a loss of confidence in the leadership, which Ms Sturgeon cannot, will not accept to be pinned to her name for life.
It may just be that the next two to face disgrace, humiliation and a thorough savaging by the press are just ordinary, everyday SNP representatives, but either way, the motivation that places them where they find themselves will likely be primarily greed, which is proving to be a particularly inconvenient germ that the SNP just can't shake off.
I'd heard from other sources that there is a growing division between the SNP MSPs in Holyrood and the so-called 'Westminster Faction", borne of dissent over their appearing to have 'gone native' collecting a salary plus expenses on top of other 'financial interests' for being nothing more than a PR exercise with no real responsibility while the MSPs have to do the dirty work of actually governing. The source of the leaks of information regarding the 'greedy MPs' seems to be from within the party in Scotland itself - the Thomson and McGarry stories were bubbling-under for months before they actually broke.Murdo Fraser has released an interesting Tweet, to the effect that, "2 down, and I heard tonight from an SNP MSP that there are another 2 to go. Wouldn't tell me who, though...".
As I wrote earlier, I seem to remember an unofficial admission from a conveniently anonymous SNP MSP that there "will be more Michelle Thomsons to come" in the wake of Ms Thomson's case. This fact alone poses the question of how on Earth could Ms Sturgeon possibly say she "had no idea" with a straight face, while members of other parties knew, having been told by representatives of Ms Sturgeon's own party?
Of course, the bigger picture is, this deprives Ms Sturgeon of using the "I had no idea" excuse when these next two SNP MPs/MSPs face the wall, now that a Scottish Conservative MSP has, via a nationalist colleague, told us all already.
The only comfortable outcome for Ms Sturgeon and the SNP regarding these next two "scandals" is to "retire" them quietly and without fanfare, unless of course, that they are huge instances of dishonour, impropriety and misconduct which the hounds of the press will be straining at the leash to sink their teeth into.
The fact is, Ms Sturgeon is losing control of the Westminster faction. It is a beast with two heads and many more faces. Angus Robertson purports to be leader in Westminster, but Mr Salmond can't quite adjust to his lesser rôle among the new members and is meddling in every affair where he has no business. This alone is causing damage to the "unity" that Ms Sturgeon demands of the party.
This has caused an undoubted rift in the greater party, certainly between where Ms Sturgeon and Mr Salmond stand, which ordinarily the SNP cannot afford to contemplate. As we are beginning to learn that Ms Sturgeon was on the brink of considering tendering her resignation after the failure of "her baby", the White Paper, we can acknowledge the certainty that she does not operate on all cylinders when under a huge amount of pressure. Perhaps the answer to this latest conundrum lies with the question of, "Who is Ms Sturgeon's natural successor?".
Any disunity within the party, Ms Sturgeon will seek to quash, lest the SNP volubly falls into disrepute in front of the entire electorate so close to an election; and the best way, the only way, to countenance this would be to rid themselves of immediate undesirables, or dead wood. With the startling failures over which the SNP currently preside, it might still be even now unrealistic to consider that there may be a behind the scenes movement to challenge Ms Sturgeon within the party, but the more scandals that come to light, could alter the impetus and change the minds of those soft YESers, who might have considered their vote before committing. These are/were people who were neither swayed by the alleged "scaremongering" of the Union, nor the parochial, rabid and unquestioning hatred of the ultras riding the coat-tails of the SNP. This would constitute a loss of confidence in the leadership, which Ms Sturgeon cannot, will not accept to be pinned to her name for life.
It may just be that the next two to face disgrace, humiliation and a thorough savaging by the press are just ordinary, everyday SNP representatives, but either way, the motivation that places them where they find themselves will likely be primarily greed, which is proving to be a particularly inconvenient germ that the SNP just can't shake off.
Two more to fall, apparently. I'm betting on Dr. Paul Monaghan being next, and Tasmina jumping before she is pushed. Which brings us to the awkward question of why Alex Salmond's tax situation still remains unscrutinised....
Edited by r11co on Wednesday 25th November 17:59
roadtripboy said:
I notice the "56" badges on social media haven't been replaced by "55" or "54".
Let's hope the SNP continue in their current vein. The die-hard might yet be able to resurrect the "45" badges.
LOLLet's hope the SNP continue in their current vein. The die-hard might yet be able to resurrect the "45" badges.
Turns out the only issue is with a paypal account directly linked to McGarry. Nothing to see here shirley!
http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/14100691.SNP_MP...
Is this the start of the end? The last big nationalist party was in power for 12 years* before it all went pear shaped.
The SNP have been "in" since 2007. Only 4 more years to total collapse?
(* interestingly, after only 9 years (~ 2007>2015) the last big nationalists lot set out on a huge expansion into new territory that was its eventual downfall. Perhaps the "peak 56" assault on westminster will be their barbarossa
)Edited by ///ajd on Wednesday 25th November 21:01
AstonZagato said:
Axionknight said:
Even if any by elections are called they'll win again.
People are stupid.
Well, they are just as bad as everyone else. They never said they'd be better. Well, they did but that doesn't matter. Oh and they might be a bit worse in reality but let's ignore that too.
And they're good for Scotland. Even though the NHS is doing worse than the rUK and the Police Scotland reforms have been a disaster. Oh and education outcomes are worse. But other than the NHS, the police and education (the major areas of devolved government), they are doing well. Maybe. Especially as they keep saying they have met most of their manifesto promises (everyone else points out that this is rubbish but I think I'll believe the SNP, thank you).
I particularly like, as a well-off middle class person, that they have preserved my benefits of free prescriptions and free tertiary education, even though they could have spent that money on getting rid of food banks. I also like that they haven't changed my tax rates whilst shouting loudly about Wastemonster cuts. That shows integrity. Well it doesn't but their shouting makes me feel I'm doing a social good arguing against austerity whilst not suffering personally at all to achieve anything positive. Which is nice.
I'll continue to vote SNP, despite there being no logical reasons to do so other than blind nationalism and financial self-interest. Because... Well, just because.
Did I tell you that my wife is English yet?
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