Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 7

[Gecko1978]

A.J.M said:

Will they hell.

The 49 or whatever number we are at this week of them will toe the party line.

there has to be one who has the nerve to vote as they see fit. But we will see arguments for it are not great but not awful so I assume MP's even scottish ones should be able to have a free vote.

[simoid]

Edinburger said:

But changes to university funding and a blanket abolition of tuition fees would never make it easier lower income students to get degrees - there are many more expenses than just tuition fees. as you know.

Oh and by the way, I take it you meant breaking away from the rest of the Unuted Kingdom rather than just breaking away from the English?

Yes. It's almost as if the SNP's power comes from the poor and uneducated, so they are implementing policies to ensure the poor remain uneducated and the uneducated remain poor.




Scotland gaining "independence" from UK and English are synonymous.

[r11co]

Edinburger said:

I don't doubt it existed, I'm questioning it's authenticity.

Absolutely authentic. Archive versions of the SNP website page made reference to @protectprogress, the account is linked to the official SNP one and followed by several of their MPs and other officials.

The slogan was one of many used in the three months leading up to the last Holyrood elections and there's plenty news stories from the time with Fat Eck and Nippy Niccy on message quoting it.

Not really sure why you are bothering to doubt this 'burger as it is a matter of historical record.

Edited by r11co on Wednesday 2nd December 17:10

[blinkythefish]

Edinburger said:

simoid said:

Edinburger said:

The Scottish Government's draft budget will be published on 16th December.

Not sure what you mean by "lets see if they put their money where their mouth is now"? What do you expect to happen? And what is "fair"? Fairness means a lot of different things to many different people.

SNP generally equate fairness with equality. (And I don't think they mean equality of opportunity since their changes to university funding have made it harder for lower income students to get degrees).

Or more accurately, the SNP can say or do what they want because for a large minority, it doesn't matter as long as they support breaking away from the English.

But changes to university funding and a blanket abolition of tuition fees would never make it easier lower income students to get degrees - there are many more expenses than just tuition fees. as you know.

Oh and by the way, I take it you meant breaking away from the rest of the Unuted Kingdom rather than just breaking away from the English?

So why use the funds available to reduce tuition costs for people who can afford it, rather than use it to aid those who cannot afford the cost of university? And, also, why abolish college places(a traditional route into tertiary education) to fund free university for the wealthy and middle class.

Still at least Salmond got a stupid quote carved on a stupid rock. How many Universities did he have to hawk that round before one would actually display it? There will be no such problem in the future though, with a representative of the Ministry of Thought Control on the universitys' boards.

[simoid]

r11co said:

Edinburger said:

I don't doubt it existed, I'm questioning it's authenticity.

Absolutely authentic. Archive versions of the SNP website page made reference to @protectprogress, the account is linked to the official SNP one and followed by several of their MPs and other officials.

The slogan was one of many used in the three months leading up to the last Holyrood elections and there's plenty news stories from the time with Fat Eck and Nippy Niccy on message quoting it.

Not really sure why you are bothering to doubt this 'burger as it is a matter of historical record.

Edited by r11co on Wednesday 2nd December 17:10

He's questioning it's authenticity to waste a bit of someone else's time, and/or so he can evade the need to provide his own opinion on something. Some would call squirrel.

[Troubleatmill]

Edinburger said:

Troubleatmill said:

Edinburger said:

At least you're making a point rather than just posting negative stuff.

It isn't our fault if the SNP takes actions that are in the whole negative and just plain stupid. Or indeed Out and out lies.

Tell me three negative ones, three stupid ones and three which are lies.

Given your reputation for fecking off after a 1 line reply.... let's play a game

I will give you 1 item. You say TRUTH or LIE ( No other comments )

So... Here goes.


TRUTH OR LIE.... QUESTION 1
The Former Alex Salmond adviser Alex Bell says current case for Scots independence is dead because the SNP LIED about the financial case for an independent Scotland
So Edinburger.... WAS ALEX BELL TELLING THE TRUTH OR WAS IT A LIE.


Over to you ... to deflect... or answer TRUTH or LIE.

[NoNeed]

Troubleatmill said:

Over to you ... to deflect... or answer TRUTH or LIE.

He will want to play truth, lie or sqirrel though.

[simoid]

NoNeed said:

He will want to play truth, lie or sqirrel though.

Its squirrel, right? Do I win? Is there a squirrel? I mean a prize?

[perdu]

Hmm

Am I back in the SR/I-V7 thread?

Must be

They are STILL waiting for the Trollburger to respond

Have you had any luck yet guys?

Good luck with that

[simoid]

Aye it's a bit like golf. Or trying to nail jelly to a wall made of jelly. You know it's not going to happen but getting close is quite fun, as occasionally he finds a new way to avoid giving us his opinion.

[Garvin]

simoid said:

Aye it's a bit like golf. Or trying to nail jelly to a wall made of jelly. You know it's not going to happen but getting close is quite fun, as occasionally he finds a new way to avoid giving us his opinion.

But his opinion is quite transparent is it not? He supports the SNP as the Scottish government but not independence. He will support the SNP come hell or high water : a) because he believes they will govern Scotland better than anyone else (despite a mountain of evidence to the contrary); and b) because, and this is as lame as it can get, they are no worse than anyone else (note, not better just not worse).

His mind is made up, he continually seeks reassurance that he is doing the right thing - you lot just keep undermining that reassurance just for the sport. Shame on the lot of you

[Gecko1978]

Edinburger said:

Gecko1978 said:

Anybody think even 1 SNP will vote with the government for airstrikes or are the guided by the whip

I was wondering that earlier. Mr Salmond was one of the first on his feet earlier, I noticed.

Results in an not a single snp vote was yes. Now labour 29% voted yes all the lib dems did too. Are the snp MP's bound to vote as one. I find it hard to believe that not 1 member votes yes. 7 torys voted no and I might have expected more.

Just tells me the snp does not employ people who can form thete own opinions

[barryrs]

Gecko1978 said:

Edinburger said:

Gecko1978 said:

Anybody think even 1 SNP will vote with the government for airstrikes or are the guided by the whip

I was wondering that earlier. Mr Salmond was one of the first on his feet earlier, I noticed.

Results in an not a single snp vote was yes. Now labour 29% voted yes all the lib dems did too. Are the snp MP's bound to vote as one. I find it hard to believe that not 1 member votes yes. 7 torys voted no and I might have expected more.

Just tells me the snp does not employ people who can form thete own opinions

How strange - http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/syria-action...

[Rovinghawk]

Edinburger said:

There are never any positives to discuss.

In your view.

In fairness to you & your earlier comment: name 3.

[r11co]

barryrs said:

How strange - http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/syria-action...

http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/alex-salmond...

Two-faced wker.

[johnxjsc1985]

Nice to see the SNP bring a major positive influence to Westminster, well actually they haven't have they all they have brought is pettiness and bitterness.

[johnxjsc1985]

Its OK Stan Collymore has left the labour party and joined the SNP.

[Rick_1138]

r11co said:

barryrs said:

How strange - http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/syria-action...

http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/alex-salmond...

Two-faced wker.

I posted a link to these on FB, my rather pro SNP mate then shared it with this comment:

"Knee jerk bullsttery at its best. Sorry Rich but you just confirmed everything I ever believed about "better together" and unionists."

Beyond angry at him. Its like all day has been a st fit of right on pricks decrying anything that could be construed as Pro tories\labour Syria bombing yes voters.

You feel like having any other opinion than @Tories bad, Bombing terrible, ISIS - all UK's fault, you may as well just never open your fking mouth.

But its the bankers and tories who are the real evil fascists.

So angry at it all.

[simoid]

Rick_1138 said:

I posted a link to these on FB, my rather pro SNP mate then shared it with this comment:

"Knee jerk bullsttery at its best. Sorry Rich but you just confirmed everything I ever believed about "better together" and unionists."

Beyond angry at him. Its like all day has been a st fit of right on pricks decrying anything that could be construed as Pro tories\labour Syria bombing yes voters.

You feel like having any other opinion than @Tories bad, Bombing terrible, ISIS - all UK's fault, you may as well just never open your fking mouth.

But its the bankers and tories who are the real evil fascists.

So angry at it all.

SNP voted against something + MOST Tories voted for it = zOMGGGWTFBOMBINGTOGETHERIHATETHISCOUNTRY

[technodup]

Why don't we just give them independence? By which I mean give them a bit of Scotland- the area north of Inverness would be perfect. The SNP mongs can go and do their thing and the rest of us normal folk can stay as we were.

Partition. We don't need that bit, they'd have a power station and some wee towns, they could hunt deer and fish and look at windfarms and other SNP freedom stuff. Edge of Europe, away from the wars, London, Tories and all the other things they don't like. There'd naturally be a charge for re-entry, and if they wanted back permanently we could vet them at immigration and select on merit.

I think a Scottish partition could gain traction. How do I start one of those petitions they're so fond of?