Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 7

[csd19]

Edinburger said:

csd19 said:

Bang on cue...



https://www.daysoftheyear.com/days/squirrel-apprec...

Aah, that old "joke", eh?

Welcome to the thread. Have you ever contributed anything meaningful? Or do you just jump on any old bandwagon?

I've posted one squirrel.

How many have you contributed?

[Edinburger]

r11co said:

Edinburger said:

You're missing the point and ignoring the hypocrisy.

There's no hypocrisy in Billy Connolly expressing his opinion on something he disagrees with from a distance.

There is hypocrisy in Sean Connery campaigning for changes that will detrimentally affect millions of people but will have no effect on him.

You clearly don't know the meaning of hypocrisy, burger.

There is hypocrisy in posters here saying "how dare Sean Connery the expat comment in favour of independence when he doesn't even live here" and then in the next breath say "check out Billy Connolly putting the nats down".

Get it?

[Edinburger]

Ecosseven said:

Edinburger said:

A poll carried out for the Sunday Times suggests that the SNP are on course to win 73 seats in the Scottish elections in May.

The predicted results suggest SNP 73 (up 4), LAB 26 (down 11), CON 20 (up 5), LD 6 and GRN 3. Ms Sturgeon leads the way on party leaders approval ratings.

Not sure how credible Panelbase are but, personally, I'd be very surprised to see the SNP win as many as 73 seats.

Edited for typo

Edited by Edinburger on Monday 25th January 06:41

I won't be in the least surprised if the SNP win that many seats. They won 56 seats out of 59 in the GE remember. It will be interesting to see if the SNP can maintain their level of support and if people are voting for them based on their record in Government or because they support independence.

Given that they've had mixed PR since the general election (in real life I mean, not this thread) it would surprise me if they obtained so many.

And many people vote differently in Scottish v general elections.

[Edinburger]

SBDJ said:

Edinburger said:

Chaps

I'm only on PH periodically these days, but if you do feel there are questions which I've dodged then please do re-post them and I'll reply on Thursday/Friday this week.

I think it might be time for you to come up with a new excuse, that ones older than 'the dog ate my homework'.

Which you'd know because you've contributed sooooo much to this thread, eh?

[Edinburger]

csd19 said:

Edinburger said:

csd19 said:

Bang on cue...



https://www.daysoftheyear.com/days/squirrel-apprec...

Aah, that old "joke", eh?

Welcome to the thread. Have you ever contributed anything meaningful? Or do you just jump on any old bandwagon?

I've posted one squirrel.

How many have you contributed?

Tell you what csd, read back from volume 1 and then think again about your question.

[SBDJ]

Edinburger said:

Which you'd know because you've contributed sooooo much to this thread, eh?

I wasn't aware it was a requirement for me to have contributed sooooo much in order to have read every post and form an opinion. But you crack on

[r11co]

Edinburger said:

There is hypocrisy in posters here saying "how dare Sean Connery the expat comment in favour of independence when he doesn't even live here" and then in the next breath say "check out Billy Connolly putting the nats down".

Get it?

You don't get it. Billy Connolly is expressing an opinion and leaving other people to make up their minds. Sean Connery is campaigning for changes to millions of peoples lives that will leave him largely unaffected.

Apples/oranges.

Edited by r11co on Monday 25th January 11:11

[NoNeed]

r11co said:

Trollburger said:

There is hypocrisy in posters here saying "how dare Sean Connery the expat comment in favour of independence when he doesn't even live here" and then in the next breath say "check out Billy Connolly putting the nats down".

Get it?

You don't get it. Billy Connolly is expressing an opinion and leaving other people to make up their minds. Sean Connery is campaigning for changes to millions of peoples lives that will leave him largely unaffected.

Apples/oranges.

Edited by r11co on Monday 25th January 11:11

Don't feed the troll, he knows he is trolling to get a rise from you in feliberately posting what he knows is wrong.

[Welshbeef]

So the Smith commission and it's agreed outputs (which the SNP are on the board) are oddly now not agreed by the SNP?


What's changed?

They appear to want more powers (responsibility and accountability) so let's say x% of the Barnett formulae would need to be decreased on a like for like for the tax raising powers they are getting. Thing is they don't now want this they want the Barnett to stay as it is AND have the tax raising powers with its revenues.
Now this is double counting and I'm struggling to see how they can debate against it?


You either do want more powers with which come difficult decisions.
Or you don't and want the security blanket of the Full Barnett formulae in which case you don't have the same autonomy.


Can someone (Burger ideally) explain what's going on.







Is it a simple case of defining how the Barnett £ they receive currently is broken down. Though that could then open up a huge can of worms as N Ireland and Wales could highlight actually it's not fair to them and without any changes Scotland should get less and Wales and N Ireland more (akin to the UK having to stump up more for the away as we were performing better).

[r11co]

Welshbeef said:

They appear to want more powers (responsibility and accountability) so let's say x% of the Barnett formulae would need to be decreased on a like for like for the tax raising powers they are getting. Thing is they don't now want this they want the Barnett to stay as it is AND have the tax raising powers with its revenues.

They will justify it because (as they have amply demonstrated) they are greedy, prodigal bds who believe someone else owes them, just like a large cohort of their support, who have given them a mandate to behave like complete stes.

Simples.

Edited by r11co on Monday 25th January 16:17

[csd19]

Here's a contribution for the ol' Burger...

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-35403065

So the SNP pledge £230m to build new schools and/or upgrade others, while ignoring the fact it is their mandated teachings and interfering which have caused the drop in educational standards and achievements since they came into power.

No voter - "The education system is a farce, why is this being allowed to continue? What a load of ste."

SNP - "Ahh but just look at how shiny the glitter is on that ste, there's your investment."

As usual up to their old diversionary tactics, focussing on the hurried fix for the results of the problems they cause, instead of fixing the actual problem.

See the FRB debacle for similar behaviour...

[r11co]

Greedy, but tight with it.



ETA. Maybe Natalie McGarry could help out. After all, there's still £25k of that WFI PayPal fund unaccounted for.....

Edited by r11co on Monday 25th January 16:48

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csd19 said:

Edinburger said:

csd19 said:

Bang on cue...



https://www.daysoftheyear.com/days/squirrel-apprec...

Aah, that old "joke", eh?

Welcome to the thread. Have you ever contributed anything meaningful? Or do you just jump on any old bandwagon?

I've posted one squirrel.

How many have you contributed?

LOL.

Burger, instead of lashing out, you should reflect on the fact that even new posters see quickly through your rhetoric.

As for your defence of Nationalism above - truely weak. Are you saying you're oppressed by England?

Connolly is bang on the money in that quote - and that's why it irritates you so much.

[technodup]

r11co said:

Greedy, but tight with it.

That surprises and pleases me. She's my MSP and if she's struggling to raise £5k in her Pollokshields powerbase that is a good thing.

I only hope it's because people are sick of her ste rather than the fundraising effort being poorly communicated.

[AC43]

Edinburger said:

AC43 said:

Edinburger said:

AC43 said:

r11co said:

Amen!

What a fantastic quote :-)

That's such a fantastic quote that Google can only trace any record of it on Facebook and forums debating Scottish independence. Which makes me doubt it's authenticity.

Interesting how all Sean Connery comments in favour of independence are shot down in flames often because he no longer lives in Scotland, yet Billy Connolly's are applauded even though he lives in the USA and I'm pretty sure in early volumes he was criticised by many of you for selling his Aberdeenshire house before the referendum.

Good old double standards, eh?

I don't think it's double standards at all; I don't happen to agree with Connery whereas I do agree with Connolly. The latter has repeatedly made points about the SNP/Nats stirring up ant-English sentiment in the name of patriotism an turning the resulting bigotry into votes. He writes about the fact that the Scottish/English thing used to be a bit of banter but has now turned into something far more unpleasant. He writes about being deeply uncomfortable about the effects of patriotism and nationalism.

All makes sense to me.

Whereas to me, Scottish nationalism absolutely does not equate to any anti-English sentiment.

But of course, suggesting it does is a popular argument.

I wonder if that quote is authentic.

I've no idea how accurate or not that particular quote is but his views have been widely publicised. Here's one from the Independant

http://www.independent.co.uk/i/page-3-profile-bill...

"I love Scotland but I hate the way nationalists think they own the place. I don't like nationalism. I think history proves it to be an incredibly dangerous thing."

[A.J.M]

As a famous squirrel once said.

Interesting.

http://www.gov.scot/Resource/0043/00435599.pdf

[NoNeed]

A.J.M said:

As a famous squirrel once said.

Interesting.

http://www.gov.scot/Resource/0043/00435599.pdf

I was just going to post this, Scotland couldn't afford an oil fund after all.

[NoNeed]

Somebody else who thinks the SNP suck. http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/to...

[simoid]

NoNeed said:

Somebody else who thinks the SNP suck. http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/to...

"Health Secretary Shona Robison said the Government were committed to supporting the work of GPs.

She added: “To say the service is dispensable or that services are being eroded is wrong.”

Robison claimed funding for GP services has increased each year under the SNP, rising from £704.61million in 2007–08 to £852.57million in 2014-15. She also claimed Scotland had the highest number of GPs per head of population in the UK."

Dont panic, it's all ok, we've got more GPs than the English.

[csd19]

csd19 said:

See the FRB debacle for similar behaviour...

What, this debacle?

What an utter shower, even when it's shown that the links were part of a necessary plan which subsequently had the funding binned they still carry on with denial and lies.

Yet more glitter...