Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 7
Discussion
csd19 said:
csd19 said:
See the FRB debacle for similar behaviour...
What, this debacle?What an utter shower, even when it's shown that the links were part of a necessary plan which subsequently had the funding binned they still carry on with denial and lies.
Yet more glitter...
Can you imagine Cameron being caught lying and NOT because not being forced to resign?
Almost agree with Pete Wishart, or is this meant to appease the No voters?
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Pete Wishart, one of the SNP’s most senior MPs and chair of the Commons Scottish Affairs Committee, says he is “relatively relaxed” about whether or not the party offers voters a commitment to hold another independence referendum.
“This election will be about stewardship of public services and whether people have confidence in the SNP,” says Mr Wishart. “We’ve had that referendum, we got a decisive result, and we said that would be a once-in-a-generation referendum. Unless something significant and substantial happens in the next few years, I think that’s something that we have to respect and observe.”
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Perhaps Mr Wishart believes the electorate at large resents the continued debate about Scotland’s constitutional future. But if that is the case, there is little evidence that it is damaging the SNP’s poll ratings.
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http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/politic...
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Pete Wishart, one of the SNP’s most senior MPs and chair of the Commons Scottish Affairs Committee, says he is “relatively relaxed” about whether or not the party offers voters a commitment to hold another independence referendum.
“This election will be about stewardship of public services and whether people have confidence in the SNP,” says Mr Wishart. “We’ve had that referendum, we got a decisive result, and we said that would be a once-in-a-generation referendum. Unless something significant and substantial happens in the next few years, I think that’s something that we have to respect and observe.”
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Perhaps Mr Wishart believes the electorate at large resents the continued debate about Scotland’s constitutional future. But if that is the case, there is little evidence that it is damaging the SNP’s poll ratings.
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http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/politic...
NoNeed said:
I was just going to post this, Scotland couldn't afford an oil fund after all.
We must read the same fb pages.. 
So, they were lying. Knew they were lying but somehow they thought it would play out ok in the end.
If it didn't have such serious consequences it would almost be funny.
I wonder how the squirrel shall explain, how his own beloved party has admitted they were full of s
te. A.J.M said:
There's some useful stuff in there including"Scotland has been in a relatively stronger fiscal position than the UK as a whole in recent
years. However, the relative strength of Scotland’s public finances is dependent on
Scotland’s geographical share of North Sea receipts. When North Sea receipts are
excluded from Scotland’s fiscal balance, Scotland is in a considerably weaker fiscal position
than the UK."
Oh yes? Do go on...
"Despite being in a relatively stronger fiscal position than the UK, Scotland has run a net
fiscal deficit in 20 of the past 21 years. There has only been one year since 1990 when tax
receipts have exceeded total public spending. This suggests that over this period North Sea
receipts would have been required to fund public services in Scotland. Therefore if the
Scottish Government had wished to establish an oil fund, it would have had to reduce public
spending, increase taxation or increase public sector borrowing."
And that was in 2012 when oil prices a a historically high point. Well when I say "high" I mean knocking on for $100/barrel. Let's not forget. of course, that this was along long way shy of the $150/barrel that the Nats needed to make their sums add up on their Fisher Price calculators......
http://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.cfm?id=953...
Lies, lies and more lies. But Scottish ones. So much better than Enlish ones.
And by the end of 2015/16 year it will be spending more than it generates in 23 of the last 24 years.
That's damming and frankly kills the argument when Salmond kept saying they were in surplus for all but 3 years in the last 30.
How can he get away with telling big lies like that to determine national sovereignty ?
That's damming and frankly kills the argument when Salmond kept saying they were in surplus for all but 3 years in the last 30.
How can he get away with telling big lies like that to determine national sovereignty ?
Ever wondered what's going on with our separatist friends over the pond in Canada. I saw at first hand the lunacy of the deluded Quebecois back in the 90's. French this, French that. It's all the fault of the English speaking Canadians, I blame the Americans, it's a conspiracy by the rest of the world, etc etc
Anyway it now estimated that they have pissed away a quarter of a trillion dollars on their little vanity project.
In terms of how they spend the subsidy provided by the rest of Canada;
"The $4.5 billion (the Quebecois administration) gets .... certainly helps the provincial government...... buy votes with things like subsidized daycare and tuition. Without it, the deficit of debt-ridden Quebec would more than double.
Instead of saying thank you, Quebec politicians and intellectuals turn around and praise the "Quebec model" as more generous and socially minded than the chilly Anglo rest of Canada."
http://www.torontosun.com/2012/08/17/quebec-proves...
Sound familiar?
Anyway it now estimated that they have pissed away a quarter of a trillion dollars on their little vanity project.
In terms of how they spend the subsidy provided by the rest of Canada;
"The $4.5 billion (the Quebecois administration) gets .... certainly helps the provincial government...... buy votes with things like subsidized daycare and tuition. Without it, the deficit of debt-ridden Quebec would more than double.
Instead of saying thank you, Quebec politicians and intellectuals turn around and praise the "Quebec model" as more generous and socially minded than the chilly Anglo rest of Canada."
http://www.torontosun.com/2012/08/17/quebec-proves...
Sound familiar?
simoid said:
"Health Secretary Shona Robison said the Government were committed to supporting the work of GPs.
She added: “To say the service is dispensable or that services are being eroded is wrong.”
Robison claimed funding for GP services has increased each year under the SNP, rising from £704.61million in 2007–08 to £852.57million in 2014-15. She also claimed Scotland had the highest number of GPs per head of population in the UK."
Dont panic, it's all ok, we've got more GPs than the English.
No one noticed how cleverly the SNP use numbers to their advantage even when it hides real term cuts?She added: “To say the service is dispensable or that services are being eroded is wrong.”
Robison claimed funding for GP services has increased each year under the SNP, rising from £704.61million in 2007–08 to £852.57million in 2014-15. She also claimed Scotland had the highest number of GPs per head of population in the UK."
Dont panic, it's all ok, we've got more GPs than the English.
£704 million in 2007 is roughly equivalent to £900 million now taking into account inflation. So the SNP oversee a cut of £45 million which they are in complete control of, yet dress it up as 'increased funding'
The local day care centre in my town has had to shut and instead now ferry the poor old folk around in transits for hours each time to the next closest place. Nothing to do with the SNP freezing council tax for the last 8 years meaning a real term cut in budget of 25% compared to 2008, nope nothing at all to do with them.............
More on Nat lies
"And all (the project) it referred to was the determination, amongst those fighting to stop the break up of Britain, to counter the ludicrously over-hyped nonsense from the Nats about what Scotland would look like after independence.
You know, a nirvana luxuriating in the black gold of North Sea oil which we now know has turned into a nightmare of collapsing oil prices and consequential misery for the workers who’ve lost their jobs. Was the Unionist camp supposed to let that claim go unchallenged?
And what about Alex Salmond’s insistence that Scotland would keep sterling after independence despite England, Wales and Northern Ireland saying it wasn’t on?
Then there was the way-out, plain daft, claims from the Nats like the one about British embassies abroad discriminating against Scottish goods; pure baloney.
Ms Sturgeon, like all Nats, has to get used to the fact that they lost in 2014 because their case did not stack up and that the majority of Scots wanted – and still want – to remain British."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/12118819/If-Stu...
"And all (the project) it referred to was the determination, amongst those fighting to stop the break up of Britain, to counter the ludicrously over-hyped nonsense from the Nats about what Scotland would look like after independence.
You know, a nirvana luxuriating in the black gold of North Sea oil which we now know has turned into a nightmare of collapsing oil prices and consequential misery for the workers who’ve lost their jobs. Was the Unionist camp supposed to let that claim go unchallenged?
And what about Alex Salmond’s insistence that Scotland would keep sterling after independence despite England, Wales and Northern Ireland saying it wasn’t on?
Then there was the way-out, plain daft, claims from the Nats like the one about British embassies abroad discriminating against Scottish goods; pure baloney.
Ms Sturgeon, like all Nats, has to get used to the fact that they lost in 2014 because their case did not stack up and that the majority of Scots wanted – and still want – to remain British."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/12118819/If-Stu...
Oh, and some more Billy Connolly.
Speaking of the SNP, Connolly said: "They know damn fine where I'm coming from.
"I'm an internationalist. It's entirely their fault, this new racism in Scotland, this anti-Englishness.
"It was a music hall joke before - you know, like Yorkshire v Lancashire or Glasgow v Edinburgh. But there's a viciousness to it now that I really loathe and it is their fault entirely."
Asked if he endorsed the changes taking place in Scottish political life, he added: "There's absolutely no good coming out of the changes now.
"There are a lot of people talking about things like self-determination, but they are abstracts.
"What you've actually got is another layer of government and they've sneaked in proportional representation, a third of whom you didn't vote for. It's an enormous joke." (AB)
https://en-gb.facebook.com/VoteNo2014/posts/138486...
Speaking of the SNP, Connolly said: "They know damn fine where I'm coming from.
"I'm an internationalist. It's entirely their fault, this new racism in Scotland, this anti-Englishness.
"It was a music hall joke before - you know, like Yorkshire v Lancashire or Glasgow v Edinburgh. But there's a viciousness to it now that I really loathe and it is their fault entirely."
Asked if he endorsed the changes taking place in Scottish political life, he added: "There's absolutely no good coming out of the changes now.
"There are a lot of people talking about things like self-determination, but they are abstracts.
"What you've actually got is another layer of government and they've sneaked in proportional representation, a third of whom you didn't vote for. It's an enormous joke." (AB)
https://en-gb.facebook.com/VoteNo2014/posts/138486...
....and for those that don't believe in the anti-English sentiment in Scotland a survey carried out by the Daily Record survey tells us that 66% of Scots do believe in the anti-English agenda. As my English relies up there and you'll get 100%......
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/379935.stm
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/379935.stm
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Ug_lee said:
No one noticed how cleverly the SNP use numbers to their advantage even when it hides real term cuts?
£704 million in 2007 is roughly equivalent to £900 million now taking into account inflation. So the SNP oversee a cut of £45 million which they are in complete control of, yet dress it up as 'increased funding'
The local day care centre in my town has had to shut and instead now ferry the poor old folk around in transits for hours each time to the next closest place. Nothing to do with the SNP freezing council tax for the last 8 years meaning a real term cut in budget of 25% compared to 2008, nope nothing at all to do with them.............
Based on UK CPI I get it to be flat in real terms around £853 Million is the same after inflation.£704 million in 2007 is roughly equivalent to £900 million now taking into account inflation. So the SNP oversee a cut of £45 million which they are in complete control of, yet dress it up as 'increased funding'
The local day care centre in my town has had to shut and instead now ferry the poor old folk around in transits for hours each time to the next closest place. Nothing to do with the SNP freezing council tax for the last 8 years meaning a real term cut in budget of 25% compared to 2008, nope nothing at all to do with them.............
Not wanting to support the liars, but also not wanting to give ammunition to the squirrel police.
Certainly not a rise in any way shape or form in real terms.
SNP MP accuses JK Rowling of buddying with a "troll".
The lack of self awareness of Nats knows no bounds.....I could add in ignorance, agqression and defamation but I'll let Natalie McGarry do that in her own sweet way.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/SNP/12128...
The lack of self awareness of Nats knows no bounds.....I could add in ignorance, agqression and defamation but I'll let Natalie McGarry do that in her own sweet way.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/SNP/12128...
AC43 said:
I can't understand why any politician would waste their time on Twitter. All they do is make an arse of themselves very publicly and for little discernible benefit AFAICS.
What exactly is the point?
Did anyone have the misfortune to see the SNP election broadcast the other night? For those that didn't do you want to have a guess what it was all about?
Was it all about-
a, About how hard they are going to work for Scotland, how they are going to try and heal all the rifts caused by the referendum and how sorry they are for all the lies they have told.
or
b, How terrible Westminster is, how much better Holyrood is, and how horrible the Tories are (So nothing to do with the Scottish election).
Was it all about-
a, About how hard they are going to work for Scotland, how they are going to try and heal all the rifts caused by the referendum and how sorry they are for all the lies they have told.
or
b, How terrible Westminster is, how much better Holyrood is, and how horrible the Tories are (So nothing to do with the Scottish election).
technodup said:
AC43 said:
I can't understand why any politician would waste their time on Twitter. All they do is make an arse of themselves very publicly and for little discernible benefit AFAICS.
What exactly is the point?
Alpacaman said:
Did anyone have the misfortune to see the SNP election broadcast the other night? For those that didn't do you want to have a guess what it was all about?
Was it all about-
a, About how hard they are going to work for Scotland, how they are going to try and heal all the rifts caused by the referendum and how sorry they are for all the lies they have told.
or
b, How terrible Westminster is, how much better Holyrood is, and how horrible the Tories are (So nothing to do with the Scottish election).
I saw that coming up after the news and there was a little bit of me actually wanted to watch it but I knew I'd end up breaking something.Was it all about-
a, About how hard they are going to work for Scotland, how they are going to try and heal all the rifts caused by the referendum and how sorry they are for all the lies they have told.
or
b, How terrible Westminster is, how much better Holyrood is, and how horrible the Tories are (So nothing to do with the Scottish election).
It really is a shame as I want to hear some sound and distinctive policies put across but all of the SNP/independence propaganda I've witnessed is nothing more than pandering to those who expect someone else to do something for them.
Do it your f*cking self!
ETA:- I just watched it...
...I'm lost for words.
(Well, that's not strictly true but there're a lot of expletives involved!)
The TV survived though!
Edited by Big Rod on Saturday 30th January 00:15
Big Rod said:
<snip> It really is a shame as I want to hear some sound and distinctive policies put across but all of the SNP/independence propaganda I've witnessed is nothing more than pandering to those who expect someone else to do something for them. <snip>
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