Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 7
Discussion
I see that ever since the price of oil plummeted, Sturgeons claims of another Indy ref being triggered by Brexit have gone from boldly announcing it would be a definite reason - to, only if the majority of Scots want it - to, hardly raising the subject.
Although the oil price isn't mentioned here, there's many other reasons why Sturgeon might be having second thoughts...
http://capx.co/brexit-could-split-the-snp-not-the-...
Although the oil price isn't mentioned here, there's many other reasons why Sturgeon might be having second thoughts...
http://capx.co/brexit-could-split-the-snp-not-the-...
I see this inspirational SNP brainwave is going well....
http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/teacher-appo...
http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/teacher-appo...
NoNeed said:
SNP again showing that they can't keep to their word.
I'm still waiting for the photo spread in the press of Wee Jimmy welcoming the refugees to her house when they go to live with her.I mean, she has 2 houses and it's only been since last September
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/06/nicol...
stevensdrs said:
Where do you get this crap misinformation. The man in question can take a full salary of 67k from his position. He takes 27k gives his wife a job for 20k and gives the other 20k to charity. That's a win for everybody.
Where does the other £20k go? Shirley he's not paying his wife out of his salary...? Tax avoidance did someone say? 
stevensdrs said:
Where do you get this crap misinformation. The man in question can take a full salary of 67k from his position. He takes 27k gives his wife a job for 20k and gives the other 20k to charity. That's a win for everybody.
Ok what he is doing is in essence making his tax free allowance to be £21,200 & also taking the £23k which would have been paid @40% tax at 20%. Giving £20k to charity fine but he will be claiming gift aid on that be it at 20% or 40%.
Welshbeef said:
stevensdrs - a man with no concept of how the tax system works! said:
Where do you get this crap misinformation. The man in question can take a full salary of 67k from his position. He takes 27k gives his wife a job for 20k and gives the other 20k to charity. That's a win for everybody.
Ok what he is doing is in essence making his tax free allowance to be £21,200 & also taking the £23k which would have been paid @40% tax at 20%. Giving £20k to charity fine but he will be claiming gift aid on that be it at 20% or 40%.
He will earn 67K before tax as an MP . Highly unlikely that they won't just pay him that whether he likes it or not - from that he'll clear about 47 K after tax.
If he then pays his wife £20K as a salary that'd then be taxable - and very stupid.
OTOH he can just give her £20K and that wouldn't be taxable.
Just to confuse it if he's going to exist off a notional £27K salary then he should really only keep about £21.5K (.e. what someone on 27K will clear after tax) which, after giving his wife 20K would leave him with about 5 or 6 k to give to Charity.
All very stupid.
More likely he'll trouser the £47 K and then claim expenses of another £20K plus to employ his Mrs, flip his house 4 times, buy a big TV and end up weighing 20 stone from consuming the £400 a month food allowance which he'll spend on deep fried mars bars!
Edited by Wombat3 on Monday 1st February 15:05
stevensdrs said:
NoNeed said:
SNP again showing that they can't keep to their word.
Where do you get this crap misinformation. The man in question can take a full salary of 67k from his position. He takes 27k gives his wife a job for 20k and gives the other 20k to charity. That's a win for everybody.So Sweeny doesn't like the way negotiations are going.
As far as I understand it the negotiation is you are getting tax rising powers giving £X therefore Barnett formulae reduction £X.
Sweeny no we want tax raising powers £X Barnet to stay the same, and if rUK increase taxes we want a cut of that too even on devolved tax raising powers... But if Scotland raise more rUK will not get a cut of it.
Am I missing something here?
We're months away from what would have been Independance and they are basically saying we'd be fubared
We want to not lose out but appear happy for Wales N Ireland and England to be worse off for our benefit.
As far as I understand it the negotiation is you are getting tax rising powers giving £X therefore Barnett formulae reduction £X.
Sweeny no we want tax raising powers £X Barnet to stay the same, and if rUK increase taxes we want a cut of that too even on devolved tax raising powers... But if Scotland raise more rUK will not get a cut of it.
Am I missing something here?
We're months away from what would have been Independance and they are basically saying we'd be fubared
We want to not lose out but appear happy for Wales N Ireland and England to be worse off for our benefit.
Welshbeef said:
So Sweeny doesn't like the way negotiations are going.
As far as I understand it the negotiation is you are getting tax rising powers giving £X therefore Barnett formulae reduction £X.
Sweeny no we want tax raising powers £X Barnet to stay the same, and if rUK increase taxes we want a cut of that too even on devolved tax raising powers... But if Scotland raise more rUK will not get a cut of it.
Am I missing something here?
We're months away from what would have been Independance and they are basically saying we'd be fubared
We want to not lose out but appear happy for Wales N Ireland and England to be worse off for our benefit.
Cake & Eat it selfish As far as I understand it the negotiation is you are getting tax rising powers giving £X therefore Barnett formulae reduction £X.
Sweeny no we want tax raising powers £X Barnet to stay the same, and if rUK increase taxes we want a cut of that too even on devolved tax raising powers... But if Scotland raise more rUK will not get a cut of it.
Am I missing something here?
We're months away from what would have been Independance and they are basically saying we'd be fubared
We want to not lose out but appear happy for Wales N Ireland and England to be worse off for our benefit.
s.It was ever thus.....
Edited by Wombat3 on Thursday 4th February 20:41
Wombat3 said:
Cake & Eat it selfish s.
It was ever thus.....
It must be very embarrassing for Scottish people seeing their elected representative requesting the above settlement. Demanding that Wales N Ireland and England are all to get less then they currently get so that Scotland get more?s.It was ever thus.....
Edited by Wombat3 on Thursday 4th February 20:41
Really humiliating especially as Scotland is the 7th wealthiest country in the world vastly higher than Wales and N Ireland yet they want hand outs from less wealthy countries.... Frankly it should be more money out of Scotland to Wales and N Ireland.
Also shouldn't rUK get a vote on the outcome of this negotiation as we may have to pay more to Scotland as a result. No detriment to the Union and it's 4 principalities.
Welshbeef said:
Wombat3 said:
Cake & Eat it selfish s.
It was ever thus.....
It must be very embarrassing for Scottish people seeing their elected representative requesting the above settlement. Demanding that Wales N Ireland and England are all to get less then they currently get so that Scotland get more?s.It was ever thus.....
Edited by Wombat3 on Thursday 4th February 20:41
Really humiliating especially as Scotland is the 7th wealthiest country in the world vastly higher than Wales and N Ireland yet they want hand outs from less wealthy countries.... Frankly it should be more money out of Scotland to Wales and N Ireland.
Also shouldn't rUK get a vote on the outcome of this negotiation as we may have to pay more to Scotland as a result. No detriment to the Union and it's 4 principalities.
Wombat3 said:
I wouldn't worry about it, the SG is boxed in by Westminster now - its been hoisted by its own petard & is being shown up for extreme oxygen theft on a regular basis - and, then, generally speaking, ignored as the irrelevance it is (by everyone outside of the Edinburgh "elite" )
I'm not sure if the SNP line of "vow was broken, we've got nae power cap'n" gained traction with their target audience. Might've done, TBH. Possible further disconnect between SNP supporters/voters and reality.Can it go on for ever (the SNP). Will people still vote them into power in coming June elections. Sadly I think yes is the answer. An thus the SNP will get 4 more years of wasting cash to promote there ideas an who knows maybe we will leave the EU oil will rise and the indy crowd will be up in arms again....
Thing is sooner or later we all have to pay our debts something the SNP have never had to do since the bank of mum an dad (UK) has always been there to bail them out when things go bad (RBS, Bank of Scotland).
Sooner or later this thread will die and I hope that day is same day the SNP are consinged to a also ran 3 seat party again.
Thing is sooner or later we all have to pay our debts something the SNP have never had to do since the bank of mum an dad (UK) has always been there to bail them out when things go bad (RBS, Bank of Scotland).
Sooner or later this thread will die and I hope that day is same day the SNP are consinged to a also ran 3 seat party again.
They just need to be held to account on what they have or have not done since being in power.
The lies alone and support the public give even though those lies are diabolical and in any other situation would be a sacking at the very least seem to be utterly ok? This really is concerning why do the Scottish people permit this sort of behaviour?
Why do the Scottish people not permit free speech ie Farage barricaded in a pub, X Scotland labour leader heckled on every single day of his round the country speeches, door stoppers heckled by SNP supporters, vile trolling of anyone who public ally comes out to support the Union etc.
Yet do the opposite and your a traitor? WTF
Any suggestion or challenge on anything is proposteraus, FMQ is bizarre Salmond stood giggling and LOL at questions then went on a Nat speech.
The lies alone and support the public give even though those lies are diabolical and in any other situation would be a sacking at the very least seem to be utterly ok? This really is concerning why do the Scottish people permit this sort of behaviour?
Why do the Scottish people not permit free speech ie Farage barricaded in a pub, X Scotland labour leader heckled on every single day of his round the country speeches, door stoppers heckled by SNP supporters, vile trolling of anyone who public ally comes out to support the Union etc.
Yet do the opposite and your a traitor? WTF
Any suggestion or challenge on anything is proposteraus, FMQ is bizarre Salmond stood giggling and LOL at questions then went on a Nat speech.
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