Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 7

[Rick_1138]

SNP will win again in May, there are too many who lapped up all of what they were promised during the referendum and with all the propaganda that came out (on both sides TBF) there are too many fractured votes in Scotland now.

Sadly we are a nation ran by incompetent idiots, btu as long as the 'evil' tories are in westminster, enough scots will vote SNP -because Freedom. They will never be taken to task for the shambles of a way they have ran Scottish services, dont get me started on the continued council tax freeze.

[Wombat3]

Rick_1138 said:

SNP will win again in May, there are too many who lapped up all of what they were promised during the referendum and with all the propaganda that came out (on both sides TBF) there are too many fractured votes in Scotland now.

Sadly we are a nation ran by incompetent idiots, btu as long as the 'evil' tories are in westminster, enough scots will vote SNP -because Freedom. They will never be taken to task for the shambles of a way they have ran Scottish services, dont get me started on the continued council tax freeze.

All true, but then again, its not the SNP's fault that there is no credible & organised opposition with enough scale in Scotland.

Those that appear to disagree with the SNP (the majority of Scots according to the referendum) need to get their st together and deal with the wkers. Till then, nothing will change.

[Rick_1138]

Wombat3 said:

Rick_1138 said:

SNP will win again in May, there are too many who lapped up all of what they were promised during the referendum and with all the propaganda that came out (on both sides TBF) there are too many fractured votes in Scotland now.

Sadly we are a nation ran by incompetent idiots, btu as long as the 'evil' tories are in westminster, enough scots will vote SNP -because Freedom. They will never be taken to task for the shambles of a way they have ran Scottish services, dont get me started on the continued council tax freeze.

All true, but then again, its not the SNP's fault that there is no credible & organised opposition with enough scale in Scotland.

Those that appear to disagree with the SNP (the majority of Scots according to the referendum) need to get their st together and deal with the wkers. Till then, nothing will change.

True and not true, BIG issue we have in scotland is that a block will always vote SNP, and a block will always vote Labour, then 2 smaller blocks will always vote LibD and Tory, there are floating voters but not enough to sway any of the 3 traditional parties enough to become outright victor.

However as there isnt actually supposed to be a majority in holyrood, we can but hope the SNP lose their majority (as i believe its only 1 seat now??

unless everyone not voting SNP votes Labour or Tory, the SNP will win, the good old 40% deciding for the other 60% (i realise how the system works and i am not asking to change it, i just dont like that when the majority of the country dont want the SNP, they still get them.) This is different to Tory or Labour winning as thats usually a close split, with the scottish layout, its not close (about 60/40) but because that 60 is split between 3, then they will continue to lose. Labour need to win again for the SNP to go away, and i cant see that happening with the fervour and nationalistic Jongo that has caused the SNP to surge, many SNP voters claim they voted No to independance, when in relaity a vote for the SNP IS a green stamp to independance in future.

[Wombat3]

Rick_1138 said:

Wombat3 said:

Rick_1138 said:

SNP will win again in May, there are too many who lapped up all of what they were promised during the referendum and with all the propaganda that came out (on both sides TBF) there are too many fractured votes in Scotland now.

Sadly we are a nation ran by incompetent idiots, btu as long as the 'evil' tories are in westminster, enough scots will vote SNP -because Freedom. They will never be taken to task for the shambles of a way they have ran Scottish services, dont get me started on the continued council tax freeze.

All true, but then again, its not the SNP's fault that there is no credible & organised opposition with enough scale in Scotland.

Those that appear to disagree with the SNP (the majority of Scots according to the referendum) need to get their st together and deal with the wkers. Till then, nothing will change.

True and not true, BIG issue we have in scotland is that a block will always vote SNP, and a block will always vote Labour, then 2 smaller blocks will always vote LibD and Tory, there are floating voters but not enough to sway any of the 3 traditional parties enough to become outright victor.

However as there isnt actually supposed to be a majority in holyrood, we can but hope the SNP lose their majority (as i believe its only 1 seat now??

unless everyone not voting SNP votes Labour or Tory, the SNP will win, the good old 40% deciding for the other 60% (i realise how the system works and i am not asking to change it, i just dont like that when the majority of the country dont want the SNP, they still get them.) This is different to Tory or Labour winning as thats usually a close split, with the scottish layout, its not close (about 60/40) but because that 60 is split between 3, then they will continue to lose. Labour need to win again for the SNP to go away, and i cant see that happening with the fervour and nationalistic Jongo that has caused the SNP to surge, many SNP voters claim they voted No to independance, when in relaity a vote for the SNP IS a green stamp to independance in future.

Independence won't/can't happen because its financial suicide. Much more so now than it was 2 years ago and the number of people that now realise this is significantly greater IMO. Part of the reason for giving the SG the tax raising powers is to prove precisely that there is no magic wand & no magic money tree either. They are being shown to be wearing the emperors' new clothes on a daily basis. They've been given just enough power to effect change without damaging the rest of us and, as we can see from what they are doing & saying, they are being shown up as being full of st.

[Garvin]

Wombat3 said:

Rick_1138 said:

Wombat3 said:

Rick_1138 said:

SNP will win again in May, there are too many who lapped up all of what they were promised during the referendum and with all the propaganda that came out (on both sides TBF) there are too many fractured votes in Scotland now.

Sadly we are a nation ran by incompetent idiots, btu as long as the 'evil' tories are in westminster, enough scots will vote SNP -because Freedom. They will never be taken to task for the shambles of a way they have ran Scottish services, dont get me started on the continued council tax freeze.

All true, but then again, its not the SNP's fault that there is no credible & organised opposition with enough scale in Scotland.

Those that appear to disagree with the SNP (the majority of Scots according to the referendum) need to get their st together and deal with the wkers. Till then, nothing will change.

True and not true, BIG issue we have in scotland is that a block will always vote SNP, and a block will always vote Labour, then 2 smaller blocks will always vote LibD and Tory, there are floating voters but not enough to sway any of the 3 traditional parties enough to become outright victor.

However as there isnt actually supposed to be a majority in holyrood, we can but hope the SNP lose their majority (as i believe its only 1 seat now??

unless everyone not voting SNP votes Labour or Tory, the SNP will win, the good old 40% deciding for the other 60% (i realise how the system works and i am not asking to change it, i just dont like that when the majority of the country dont want the SNP, they still get them.) This is different to Tory or Labour winning as thats usually a close split, with the scottish layout, its not close (about 60/40) but because that 60 is split between 3, then they will continue to lose. Labour need to win again for the SNP to go away, and i cant see that happening with the fervour and nationalistic Jongo that has caused the SNP to surge, many SNP voters claim they voted No to independance, when in relaity a vote for the SNP IS a green stamp to independance in future.

Independence won't/can't happen because its financial suicide. Much more so now than it was 2 years ago and the number of people that now realise this is significantly greater IMO. Part of the reason for giving the SG the tax raising powers is to prove precisely that there is no magic wand & no magic money tree either. They are being shown to be wearing the emperors' new clothes on a daily basis. They've been given just enough power to effect change without damaging the rest of us and, as we can see from what they are doing & saying, they are being shown up as being full of st.

The majority of Scots do not want independence and, I believe, must now realise beyond all doubt the folly of it all and will not vote for it no matter how many referendums are held.

However, these self same Scots are blinded by their hatred and loathing of all things English so will happily continue to vote the SNP into Holyrood and Westminster as they perceive, emotionally, the SNP to be 'a thorn in the side' of the English and that's good enough for them at the moment. Only when the level of personal pain exceeds the the level of emotionally driven loathing will anything change.

They are literally cutting their collective noses off to spite their collective faces. Heart ruling head I'm afraid but it will change, just not in the immediate future.

[Wombat3]

Garvin said:

Wombat3 said:

Rick_1138 said:

Wombat3 said:

Rick_1138 said:

SNP will win again in May, there are too many who lapped up all of what they were promised during the referendum and with all the propaganda that came out (on both sides TBF) there are too many fractured votes in Scotland now.

Sadly we are a nation ran by incompetent idiots, btu as long as the 'evil' tories are in westminster, enough scots will vote SNP -because Freedom. They will never be taken to task for the shambles of a way they have ran Scottish services, dont get me started on the continued council tax freeze.

All true, but then again, its not the SNP's fault that there is no credible & organised opposition with enough scale in Scotland.

Those that appear to disagree with the SNP (the majority of Scots according to the referendum) need to get their st together and deal with the wkers. Till then, nothing will change.

True and not true, BIG issue we have in scotland is that a block will always vote SNP, and a block will always vote Labour, then 2 smaller blocks will always vote LibD and Tory, there are floating voters but not enough to sway any of the 3 traditional parties enough to become outright victor.

However as there isnt actually supposed to be a majority in holyrood, we can but hope the SNP lose their majority (as i believe its only 1 seat now??

unless everyone not voting SNP votes Labour or Tory, the SNP will win, the good old 40% deciding for the other 60% (i realise how the system works and i am not asking to change it, i just dont like that when the majority of the country dont want the SNP, they still get them.) This is different to Tory or Labour winning as thats usually a close split, with the scottish layout, its not close (about 60/40) but because that 60 is split between 3, then they will continue to lose. Labour need to win again for the SNP to go away, and i cant see that happening with the fervour and nationalistic Jongo that has caused the SNP to surge, many SNP voters claim they voted No to independance, when in relaity a vote for the SNP IS a green stamp to independance in future.

Independence won't/can't happen because its financial suicide. Much more so now than it was 2 years ago and the number of people that now realise this is significantly greater IMO. Part of the reason for giving the SG the tax raising powers is to prove precisely that there is no magic wand & no magic money tree either. They are being shown to be wearing the emperors' new clothes on a daily basis. They've been given just enough power to effect change without damaging the rest of us and, as we can see from what they are doing & saying, they are being shown up as being full of st.

The majority of Scots do not want independence and, I believe, must now realise beyond all doubt the folly of it all and will not vote for it no matter how many referendums are held.

However, these self same Scots are blinded by their hatred and loathing of all things English so will happily continue to vote the SNP into Holyrood and Westminster as they perceive, emotionally, the SNP to be 'a thorn in the side' of the English and that's good enough for them at the moment. Only when the level of personal pain exceeds the the level of emotionally driven loathing will anything change.

They are literally cutting their collective noses off to spite their collective faces. Heart ruling head I'm afraid but it will change, just not in the immediate future.

They can do what they like, they have no influence and are not really a threat to anyone any more.

For example, this bluff & bluster about an out EU vote leading to another referendum and the break up of the UK is bks. They can't leave, they can't afford to. The only people who are even talking about it are the most ardent Europhiles.

[Garvin]

Wombat3 said:

They can do what they like, they have no influence and are not really a threat to anyone any more. <snip>

They may well have no real influence outside Scotland but are a threat to the, currently, minority (might even be a majority) of right minded Scots who will be taken to the pain barrier, for no good reason, before things improve.

[Welshbeef]

So apart from 2 years our council have been raising council tax year on year on year. Yes that does mean we're all in it together paying a bit more however we value the services provided locally and recognise this fact.


However Scotland continue now doing what 8-9 years on the bounce no rise. Talk about austerity max from SNP they really don't like their constituants todo they? Lower services less welfare yet the ability to do something about it but force councils not to.
The sad thing is after such a long period of time without a rise the issue now is the uplift in council tax needed is huge families are ill prepared for it.

Shame on SNP.


http://www.getreading.co.uk/news/local-news/readin...

Oh am I happy about paying £X more per year --- yes it's being spent locally. It's also getting to the point whereby the central govt subsidy to the local council gets so low that it doesn't matter anymore it's purely a local tax which the govt cannot impact in anyway/zero influence.

[Wombat3]

Garvin said:

Wombat3 said:

They can do what they like, they have no influence and are not really a threat to anyone any more. <snip>

They may well have no real influence outside Scotland but are a threat to the, currently, minority (might even be a majority) of right minded Scots who will be taken to the pain barrier, for no good reason, before things improve.

Up to them to organise & deal with the tts then....

[Garvin]

Welshbeef said:

So apart from 2 years our council have been raising council tax year on year on year. Yes that does mean we're all in it together paying a bit more however we value the services provided locally and recognise this fact.


However Scotland continue now doing what 8-9 years on the bounce no rise. Talk about austerity max from SNP they really don't like their constituants todo they? Lower services less welfare yet the ability to do something about it but force councils not to.
The sad thing is after such a long period of time without a rise the issue now is the uplift in council tax needed is huge families are ill prepared for it.

Shame on SNP.


http://www.getreading.co.uk/news/local-news/readin...

Oh am I happy about paying £X more per year --- yes it's being spent locally. It's also getting to the point whereby the central govt subsidy to the local council gets so low that it doesn't matter anymore it's purely a local tax which the govt cannot impact in anyway/zero influence.

Surely it's about the combined funding of councils from central government and Council Tax. How does that play out in Scotland? The Council Tax may be frozen but what about the SNP central government funding? Is there an overall net increase or decrease for councils in Scotland and how does it compare to rUK?

In rUK Council Tax may have been allowed to increase but I believe central government funding has been reduced!

[Garvin]

Wombat3 said:

Garvin said:

Wombat3 said:

They can do what they like, they have no influence and are not really a threat to anyone any more. <snip>

They may well have no real influence outside Scotland but are a threat to the, currently, minority (might even be a majority) of right minded Scots who will be taken to the pain barrier, for no good reason, before things improve.

Up to them to organise & deal with the tts then....

How though? In reality this is difficult if not impossible unless there is just one strong opposition party. In reality there are always more than one and the vote gets split and diluted. Until the significant minority that support the SNP come to their senses then the others will just have to suffer (or get the hell out - but that's easier said than done). They do have my sympathy.

[Welshbeef]

Garvin said:

Surely it's about the combined funding of councils from central government and Council Tax. How does that play out in Scotland? The Council Tax may be frozen but what about the SNP central government funding? Is there an overall net increase or decrease for councils in Scotland and how does it compare to rUK?

In rUK Council Tax may have been allowed to increase but I believe central government funding has been reduced!

In Scotland it's a net decrease but they are not allowed to increase council tax or Sweeny has threatened that the central funding cut would be drastically more.

[Cobnapint]

Wombat3 said:

...this bluff & bluster about an out EU vote leading to another referendum and the break up of the UK is bks. They can't leave, they can't afford to. The only people who are even talking about it are the most ardent Europhiles.

And Sturgeon would have to resign if she took Scotland into another failed indyref. Neither her nor the SNP wouldn't want that.

And has it not crossed the SNP's tiny minds that after a Brexit there actually might be a bit more money available for the NI, Scottish and Welsh budgets..?

[Welshbeef]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/SNP/12144...

Well well the lair who keeps giving.

He clearly eats too many pork pies and that's all that comes out of his mouth. So will SNP voters demand he stops representing them ?

[r11co]

Welshbeef said:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/SNP/12144...

Well well the lair who keeps giving.

He clearly eats too many pork pies and that's all that comes out of his mouth. So will SNP voters demand he stops representing them ?

That's not news. The bigger hypocrisy (and scandal) is that the lawyer who helped Salmond set up his tax avoidance schemes was rewarded with an SNP candidacy at the general election (after previously showing no interest in Nationalist politics whatsoever) and was bequeathed a five-figure some of public money to run her election campaign under the auspices of a donation to her 'charity' which was registered after the donation was made and which she promptly left the presidency of once elected, with the 'charity' now drifting with no chair or turnover since.

Yup. None other than Tasmina Ahmed-Sheikh. SNP has its own 'good old boys and girls' network of troughers.

[Alpacaman]

https://www.facebook.com/lastjacobite/posts/106070...

Just when you think the Nats can't get any more deluded.

[Axionknight]

Lord have mercy

[NoNeed]

Alpacaman said:

https://www.facebook.com/lastjacobite/posts/106070...

Just when you think the Nats can't get any more deluded.

It's a secret shhhhh

[NoNeed]

I didn't realise they were giving Amazon money.

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/ms...

[FourWheelDrift]

Alpacaman said:

https://www.facebook.com/lastjacobite/posts/106070...

Just when you think the Nats can't get any more deluded.

I thought they had a real name policy?