Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 7
Discussion
NoNeed said:
I didn't realise they were giving Amazon money.
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/ms...
The building Amazon took over in Fife was a massive white elephant from the semiconductor boom that went from owner to owner with noone knowing quite what to do with it. It wouldn't surprise me if the govt gave them some incentive to use the place.http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/ms...
glazbagun said:
NoNeed said:
I didn't realise they were giving Amazon money.
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/ms...
The building Amazon took over in Fife was a massive white elephant from the semiconductor boom that went from owner to owner with noone knowing quite what to do with it. It wouldn't surprise me if the govt gave them some incentive to use the place.http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/ms...
glazbagun said:
NoNeed said:
I didn't realise they were giving Amazon money.
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/ms...
The building Amazon took over in Fife was a massive white elephant from the semiconductor boom that went from owner to owner with noone knowing quite what to do with it. It wouldn't surprise me if the govt gave them some incentive to use the place.http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/ms...
Hyundai was the'white elephant'.It has since been demolished.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-ea...
The cybernats are laughing at this https://www.facebook.com/OccupyDemocrats/videos/10...
the irony is delicious.
the irony is delicious.
Walk the dog past that area often. It's part of the "long" walk I take him, a decent 5.5 miles.
Massive factory that was a waste of time and effort. The tubes were right at the start of flat screens being made so the market died overnight.
The industrial estate does have other factories and the space of that old factory is now reused for a few other firms.
There are some units that have laid empty for years though, one near the Hermes depot at Chapelhall has never had anything in it for as long as I can remember. I don't think it's ever been occupied.
Massive factory that was a waste of time and effort. The tubes were right at the start of flat screens being made so the market died overnight.
The industrial estate does have other factories and the space of that old factory is now reused for a few other firms.
There are some units that have laid empty for years though, one near the Hermes depot at Chapelhall has never had anything in it for as long as I can remember. I don't think it's ever been occupied.
Just had a friend (born in Scotland, raised from 2-25 in Sussex, now back in Edinburgh as a committed to Indy braveheart lover) post up a link on Facebook from 'business for Scotland' - apparently they'd be £8.5B better off independent!
This would allegedly mean no national debt and a wealth fund.
How the juddering cluck can they still be peddling this s
te?
This would allegedly mean no national debt and a wealth fund.
How the juddering cluck can they still be peddling this s
te? Sway said:
Just had a friend (born in Scotland, raised from 2-25 in Sussex, now back in Edinburgh as a committed to Indy braveheart lover) post up a link on Facebook from 'business for Scotland' - apparently they'd be £8.5B better off independent!
Business for Scotland has been exposed as an SNP sponsored propaganda machine. Nothing more and nothing less.Lies are the stock-in-trade of SNP sycophants. This is well known.
Had a long drunken chat at the weekend with a good mate who voted yes. Long story short: told me he now saw that I was "right" with my Facebook posts regarding the daftness of independence, and also that he's considering voting Tory in May!
It made me consider (once sober again) how politicians can and do use wishful thinking/ignorance. Not very often we hear of regretful yes voters though. He wasn't a liker or sharer or campaigner or anything, just someone who voted for independence at the time.
It made me consider (once sober again) how politicians can and do use wishful thinking/ignorance. Not very often we hear of regretful yes voters though. He wasn't a liker or sharer or campaigner or anything, just someone who voted for independence at the time.
love it.simoid said:
Had a long drunken chat at the weekend with a good mate who voted yes. Long story short: told me he now saw that I was "right" with my Facebook posts regarding the daftness of independence, and also that he's considering voting Tory in May!
It made me consider (once sober again) how politicians can and do use wishful thinking/ignorance. Not very often we hear of regretful yes voters though. He wasn't a liker or sharer or campaigner or anything, just someone who voted for independence at the time.
Similarish with a mate of mine at the weekend who was a couple of years ago convinced (and voted) Yes, and we had some decent debates at the time. He now fully accepts how up sh*t creek we'd be in the current low oil price scenario, although I doubt he'd vote Tory, prob stil SNP. Still, I think it shows that people have woken up and are fully aware of the precarious fiscal situation Scotland would be in, which should make any 2nd referendum pretty much not worth running..It made me consider (once sober again) how politicians can and do use wishful thinking/ignorance. Not very often we hear of regretful yes voters though. He wasn't a liker or sharer or campaigner or anything, just someone who voted for independence at the time.
Interestingly, he's also very anti-EU / No / out voter too. Event over the last year or so giving him concerns.
I know you're not suggesting this - but the inference of "we'd be fked - look at the oil price" tends to suggest that if oil was $150 a barrel we'd automatically be fine/no "tough choices" etc. I didn't point that out in the discussion as it was about 4am and we'd likely have ended up scrapping 
ked - look at the oil price" tends to suggest that if oil was $150 a barrel we'd automatically be fine/no "tough choices" etc. I didn't point that out in the discussion as it was about 4am and we'd likely have ended up scrapping A very sober assessment of the SNP effect.
I've compared SNP supporters to Scientologists and other cult followers, and I cannot argue at all with the reasoning in that article. The SNP are definitely beyond politics in many ways because their support does not depend on their competence. That they are the only party pushing the risky cause means they can get away with some very damaging activities.
A reality check is indeed what the cultists need, but unfortunately the pain will be felt by the entire population.
I've compared SNP supporters to Scientologists and other cult followers, and I cannot argue at all with the reasoning in that article. The SNP are definitely beyond politics in many ways because their support does not depend on their competence. That they are the only party pushing the risky cause means they can get away with some very damaging activities.
A reality check is indeed what the cultists need, but unfortunately the pain will be felt by the entire population.
r11co said:
A very sober assessment of the SNP effect.
I've compared SNP supporters to Scientologists and other cult followers, and I cannot argue at all with the reasoning in that article. The SNP are definitely beyond politics in many ways because their support does not depend on their competence. That they are the only party pushing the risky cause means they can get away with some very damaging activities.
A reality check is indeed what the cultists need, but unfortunately the pain will be felt by the entire population.
You are not allowed to criticize them.I've compared SNP supporters to Scientologists and other cult followers, and I cannot argue at all with the reasoning in that article. The SNP are definitely beyond politics in many ways because their support does not depend on their competence. That they are the only party pushing the risky cause means they can get away with some very damaging activities.
A reality check is indeed what the cultists need, but unfortunately the pain will be felt by the entire population.
r11co said:
A very sober assessment of the SNP effect.
I've compared SNP supporters to Scientologists and other cult followers, and I cannot argue at all with the reasoning in that article. The SNP are definitely beyond politics in many ways because their support does not depend on their competence. That they are the only party pushing the risky cause means they can get away with some very damaging activities.
A reality check is indeed what the cultists need, but unfortunately the pain will be felt by the entire population.
This is an excellent summation, and this reply also encapsulates things wellI've compared SNP supporters to Scientologists and other cult followers, and I cannot argue at all with the reasoning in that article. The SNP are definitely beyond politics in many ways because their support does not depend on their competence. That they are the only party pushing the risky cause means they can get away with some very damaging activities.
A reality check is indeed what the cultists need, but unfortunately the pain will be felt by the entire population.
bloke on blog said:
The majority of the SNP support comes from a section of our community who would prefer to have closer ties with the ROI than with the British they so despise. It is not rocket science, these people have switched their allegiance in the main from labour and are using the faux socialism of the SNP to legitimise their drive for separation. They have Corbyn in place now who is by all accounts a true socialist, they will not vote for him as their real agenda is the destruction of the U.K. and has little to do with a fairer or more socially balanced Scotland. Sad but true, I see it and hear it every day. I have family who profess to hate the British, some of their fathers, my uncles, were in the forces, friends who do the same. No amount of factual evidence regarding the massive negatives an independent Scotland would face, right up to and including the certain bankruptcy we would now be staring in the face, had the vote gone the other way, will change the votes of these deluded racist, bigoted, haters. Why will nobody openly recognise this and realise that the abject failure of the SNP in government makes no difference to this group. It’s time to wake up and realise what is happening instead of hiding from it.
andymadmak said:
This is an excellent summation, and this reply also encapsulates things well
Ah yes! The sectarian undercurrent to the Nationalist cause, as engendered by Natalie McGarry MP and Dr. Paul Monaghan MP, and denied by certain individuals on this forum despite it being the reason they are now permanently banned from this thread....bloke on blog said:
The majority of the SNP support comes from a section of our community who would prefer to have closer ties with the ROI than with the British they so despise. It is not rocket science, these people have switched their allegiance in the main from labour and are using the faux socialism of the SNP to legitimise their drive for separation. They have Corbyn in place now who is by all accounts a true socialist, they will not vote for him as their real agenda is the destruction of the U.K. and has little to do with a fairer or more socially balanced Scotland. Sad but true, I see it and hear it every day. I have family who profess to hate the British, some of their fathers, my uncles, were in the forces, friends who do the same. No amount of factual evidence regarding the massive negatives an independent Scotland would face, right up to and including the certain bankruptcy we would now be staring in the face, had the vote gone the other way, will change the votes of these deluded racist, bigoted, haters. Why will nobody openly recognise this and realise that the abject failure of the SNP in government makes no difference to this group. It’s time to wake up and realise what is happening instead of hiding from it.
excellent.So let me get this straight SNP want
1. No detriment
2. If Scottish population l drops by say £1m they want the same Block grant
3. If Scottish population increases by £1m they want the block grant increased
4. If rUK tax revenues increase they want a cut of them
5. If Scottish taxes increase they want to keep it all
6. They want the block grant reviewed every 3 years to reset it for no detriment.
So a few questions
1. What if Wales population decreased Eng N Ireland and Scotland decreased the pot which is the Barnett would mean that Wales either get less or N Ireland and England have to pay in more for Scotland but not so for Wales.
2. Why are Wales England N Ireland not included in the Barnett formulae changes discussions? It directly impacts them
3. Seems they are asking for cake eating it getting it paid for and then demanding a refund!!
4. Does any Scottish person not feel utterly embarrassed that SNP are trying to take money away from the poor and needy in rUK strictly for their benefit
5. No detriment seems to be only for Scotland.
6. what if rUK population decreases and Scotland stays static surely Scotland should pay more under the SNP logic to rUK? But that's totally not how they see it
1. No detriment
2. If Scottish population l drops by say £1m they want the same Block grant
3. If Scottish population increases by £1m they want the block grant increased
4. If rUK tax revenues increase they want a cut of them
5. If Scottish taxes increase they want to keep it all
6. They want the block grant reviewed every 3 years to reset it for no detriment.
So a few questions
1. What if Wales population decreased Eng N Ireland and Scotland decreased the pot which is the Barnett would mean that Wales either get less or N Ireland and England have to pay in more for Scotland but not so for Wales.
2. Why are Wales England N Ireland not included in the Barnett formulae changes discussions? It directly impacts them
3. Seems they are asking for cake eating it getting it paid for and then demanding a refund!!
4. Does any Scottish person not feel utterly embarrassed that SNP are trying to take money away from the poor and needy in rUK strictly for their benefit
5. No detriment seems to be only for Scotland.
6. what if rUK population decreases and Scotland stays static surely Scotland should pay more under the SNP logic to rUK? But that's totally not how they see it
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