Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 7

[AstonZagato]

NoNeed said:

wings_over said:

Nothing more then unionist scaremongering

INDEPENDENCE IS INEVITABLE

Come on guys, who is it

Well, it does seem that we have a new login for this thread.

I'm not sure that it is either 'burger (too illiterate) or Fluff (he is more expansive about his views). They are the only Nats that still can post on here - the others eventually spouted bile and got themselves banned.

So, in my view, it is:

• a banned previous participant
• a unionist caricature of a Nat
• a genuine new Nat contributor (rare as rocking horse st).

My view is caricature. With oil at these levels and the SNP backpedaling furiously on fiscal autonomy, you'd have to be a bit of a window-licker to be pushing independence now. You certainly aren't going to leap into a lion's den of erudite, savvy contributors to have your precious views ripped to shreds in front of your eyes.

[technodup]

Wombat3 said:

God I (now) hope so.

About the worst punishment the Scots could enforce on the UK now is to stay and continue to be a bunch of whining, selfish, greedy s. Sooner you are gone the better off we will be

Can we leave this st out? These cretins don't speak for Scotland any more than UKIP speak for the UK. They're a demonstrable minority, we had a referendum on it recently, you might have heard about it.

The SNP/Yes lot do not equal Scotland or Scots.

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[simoid]

NoNeed said:

t nothing compared to Scottish Nazi Party hatred and the hatred it has nurtured amongst the stupid 38% of the Scottish electorate that idolises an English-hating murderous brigand and the racism that comes with it.

I reckon the numbers who idolise the SNP hierarchy is in the thousands. I'd be surprised if it was 1% of the population tbh.

[NoNeed]

simoid said:

I reckon the numbers who idolise the SNP hierarchy is in the thousands. I'd be surprised if it was 1% of the population tbh.

I would love that to be true, sadly recent election results show it is a cancer that is spreading.

[simoid]

NoNeed said:

simoid said:

I reckon the numbers who idolise the SNP hierarchy is in the thousands. I'd be surprised if it was 1% of the population tbh.

I would love that to be true, sadly recent election results show it is a cancer that is spreading.

Recent results show the number of people who voted for SNP, not the "die hards" as it were. Incidentally, IIRC the SNP vote was >10% smaller than the Yes vote too, so is that evidence of a spread? Some silver linings on clouds perhaps

[NoNeed]

simoid said:

Recent results show the number of people who voted for SNP, not the "die hards" as it were. Incidentally, IIRC the SNP vote was >10% smaller than the Yes vote too, so is that evidence of a spread? Some silver linings on clouds perhaps

I do hope you're right.

[wings_over]

NoNeed said:

I would love that to be true, sadly recent election results show it is a cancer that is spreading.

The scots are waking up to how much we are oppressed

Nothing can stop independence

[technodup]

wings_over said:

The scots are waking up to how much we are oppressed

Nothing can stop independence

Except losing a referendum.

[Wombat3]

technodup said:

Wombat3 said:

God I (now) hope so.

About the worst punishment the Scots could enforce on the UK now is to stay and continue to be a bunch of whining, selfish, greedy s. Sooner you are gone the better off we will be

Can we leave this st out? These cretins don't speak for Scotland any more than UKIP speak for the UK. They're a demonstrable minority, we had a referendum on it recently, you might have heard about it.

The SNP/Yes lot do not equal Scotland or Scots.

Actually wrong IMO. The only difference between tts like Fluffy, Wings Over & the Reverend arse and the legions of SNP politicians that have been sent into both Holyrood and Westminster is that the latter are a bit more astute and have learned to keep their bile a bit more concealed and their mouths shut. At their core they are just as rabid as one another & there is little to choose between them.

....and they are nothing like the minority in Scotland that UKIP are in the rest of the UK - so that's a very poor comparison

So yes, the SNP/Yes lot do now represent Scotland and they do speak for Scotland - the people in Scotland gave them a mandate to govern in Holyrood and an overwhelming mandate to represent their voice in Westminster.

If its really not the case as you suggest then its up to the rest of Scotland to shut them down and shut them up. So far you have failed fairly spectacularly.

[Wombat3]

wings_over said:

NoNeed said:

I would love that to be true, sadly recent election results show it is a cancer that is spreading.

The scots are waking up to how much we are oppressed

Nothing can stop independence

The only thing that is oppressing you is the weight of your own inadequacy & bigotry and your ludicrous sense of entitlement.

Edited by Wombat3 on Saturday 13th February 15:25

[Alpacaman]

wings_over said:

The scots are waking up to how much we are oppressed

Nothing can stop independence

Really? Please explain how we are oppressed?

And in case you hadn't noticed (though I don't believe you are a genuine nat) the chances of us being independent are getting lower by the day. If it wasn't for the fact it would damage Scotland even more I would say lets have another vote tomorrow, it would be an even bigger NO.

[///ajd]

AstonZagato said:

NoNeed said:

wings_over said:

Nothing more then unionist scaremongering

INDEPENDENCE IS INEVITABLE

Come on guys, who is it

Well, it does seem that we have a new login for this thread.

I'm not sure that it is either 'burger (too illiterate) or Fluff (he is more expansive about his views). They are the only Nats that still can post on here - the others eventually spouted bile and got themselves banned.

So, in my view, it is:

• a banned previous participant
• a unionist caricature of a Nat
• a genuine new Nat contributor (rare as rocking horse st).

My view is caricature. With oil at these levels and the SNP backpedaling furiously on fiscal autonomy, you'd have to be a bit of a window-licker to be pushing independence now. You certainly aren't going to leap into a lion's den of erudite, savvy contributors to have your precious views ripped to shreds in front of your eyes.

I originally thought it might be wiggle doing a parody, but now not so sure after the britnat backlash above - wing might be a real cyber nat.

I agree with techno & haymarket, displeasure with the SNP and its attacks on england should not be reciprocated with attacks on scotland as a whole. The SNP do not speak for all Scotland. And Scotland voted to stay in the UK.

Saw a 'walked into a bar' joke the other day.....

"Alex Salmond walked out on into a bar in Scotland. Sorry, Alex Salmond walked into a bar in the United Kingdom...."

[///ajd]

wings_over said:

NoNeed said:

think you're right.



meanwhile, a great piece.

http://www.scotsman.com/news/brian-wilson-leave-us...

Red tory propaganda

Interesting to boil the FFA argument and the hypocrisy of the SNP argumeny down to uts core:

"Future revenue, the SNP say, must be linked to UK economic performance – not Scotland’s alone"

Quite a u-turn from how rich and better Scotland was - Alex was keen to harp on about this throughout the neverendum. Yet here we see, when the chips are on the table, we find out where the real bluff and bluster was eminating from.

[technodup]

Wombat3 said:

Actually wrong IMO.

Actually, your opinion (or mine) doesn't come into it. The fact is they shouted for a referendum for years, they got one and we rejected their separatist crap. The make up of Holyrood is neither here nor there, elections don't produce independence.

Wombat3 said:

....and they are nothing like the minority in Scotland that UKIP are in the rest of the UK - so that's a very poor comparison

A bigger minority but a minority all the same. Where I'm from a minority does not get to speak for the majority, no matter how loud they shout.

And I'll not take lectures on comparisons from someone who declares 'Scots' to be

Wombat3 said:

a bunch of whining, selfish, greedy s

when actually it's a minority of the minority of Yessers it might apply to.

[Welshbeef]

simoid said:

Quite a good squirrel, that GERS limitation article. The nationalists know what the GERS figures are, they know the limitations, they also know all about how they're devised BECAUSE THEY PRODUCE THEM, yet still complain about them? Interesting.

Perhaps some independencist could have a guesstimate at what the independent Scotland figures might look like, even as a range of possibles? I'm sure that would've been at least 1% of the SNP manifesto for Yes? No?

Worse of all the SNP used GERS numbers in the Indy campaign as at them at time it gave the answer they wanted to hear and could send to the public when it changed oddly they discredited it ....

[simoid]

Welshbeef said:

Worse of all the SNP used GERS numbers in the Indy campaign as at them at time it gave the answer they wanted to hear and could send to the public when it changed oddly they discredited it ....

In fairness to WoS man he did point out in his article that oil price and revenue was mentioned regularly and with gusto before its crash, and now it's never mentioned

I think I might begin to be more public in my critique of the SNP. I kept my lid shut after the referendum and before the UK elections as I was a bit fatigued with the whole "post on Facebook, end up in argument, have nationalists fall out with me" kind of thing. I actually lost a customer after he phoned me about a contract and asked me if I was voting yes - he was a proper loopy bd though, one of the die hard English oppression types. I didn't know that before the conversation, so we were probably quite glad to both be rid of each other.

Better stay off Facebook just now as I've had a few...!

[wings_over]

///ajd said:

I agree with techno & haymarket, displeasure with the SNP and its attacks on england should not be reciprocated with attacks on scotland as a whole. The SNP do not speak for all Scotland. And Scotland voted to stay in the UK.

We never say anything against the english

We just hate the UK after the crimes of the empire


And if you want a stronger scotland then how can you vote for the unionists parties

If you vote for unionist parties then you must deny being scottish so you are nothing more then a britnat


So the SNP does speak for scots

The other lot just speak for northern britnats

[Welshbeef]

wings_over said:

We never say anything against the english

We just hate the UK after the crimes of the empire


And if you want a stronger scotland then how can you vote for the unionists parties

If you vote for unionist parties then you must deny being scottish so you are nothing more then a britnat


So the SNP does speak for scots

The other lot just speak for northern britnats

Given you feel this way about historic events how come you are ok with remaining in the EU? Germany Italy and those Vikings killing your familes and children.

Heck Napolian and Ceasir invaded our country nasty folk


If you vote or support YeSNP your speaking for a minority of Scottish people - who oddly wouldn't let the Islands have their own referendum had it been a yes.

[///ajd]

wings_over said:

///ajd said:

I agree with techno & haymarket, displeasure with the SNP and its attacks on england should not be reciprocated with attacks on scotland as a whole. The SNP do not speak for all Scotland. And Scotland voted to stay in the UK.

We never say anything against the english

We just hate the UK after the crimes of the empire


And if you want a stronger scotland then how can you vote for the unionists parties

If you vote for unionist parties then you must deny being scottish so you are nothing more then a britnat


So the SNP does speak for scots

The other lot just speak for northern britnats

"we"? who is "we"?

it could be fluff with the crimes of the empire nonsense, but there is less humour, just bile.

Not enough humour for a parody either I don't think.

Wings seems to suggest you can't like the UK and be a Scot - well a big majority said otherwise in the neverendum.