Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 7
Discussion
wings_over said:
Yep brother
it is typical NAWbag britnats with SNP BBAAAAaaaaaDDDDD
As thy know how there days in the union are numbbered
It's not a union it's subjugation. And the best part of it is the Scots fought the Scots for the crumbs off the English table.it is typical NAWbag britnats with SNP BBAAAAaaaaaDDDDD
As thy know how there days in the union are numbbered
And with that kind of attitude to your fellow countrymen what makes you think you can run a country without waking up one morning and finding your brothers knife in your back.
Understanding is a three edged sword: your side, their side, and the truth. (Name the series)
Edinburger said:
We've established that we all use legal methods to reduce our tax burden, as does Mr Salmond.
That article refers to "sort of unacceptable, aggressive tax avoidance that is widespread in the UK tax system" and companies avoiding tax such as Amazon. Perhaps subjective, but we're not comparing apples with apples here.
Whether or not the Scottish Government does take the "toughest possible line on aggressive tax avoidance" is a separate point - I don't think it does. And neither does the UK Government or HMRC, although things are improving.
So what you are saying is that it is a matter of scale? Alex Salmond is correct to say his party will tackle tax avoidance as long as it is a level above that which he himself practises?That article refers to "sort of unacceptable, aggressive tax avoidance that is widespread in the UK tax system" and companies avoiding tax such as Amazon. Perhaps subjective, but we're not comparing apples with apples here.
Whether or not the Scottish Government does take the "toughest possible line on aggressive tax avoidance" is a separate point - I don't think it does. And neither does the UK Government or HMRC, although things are improving.
Or is it perhaps that Alex Salmond says one thing and does another because the people who hang on to his every word are stupid and he knows it?
Edinburger said:
Really?
We've established that we all use legal methods to reduce our tax burden, as does Mr Salmond.
That article refers to "sort of unacceptable, aggressive tax avoidance that is widespread in the UK tax system" and companies avoiding tax such as Amazon. Perhaps subjective, but we're not comparing apples with apples here.
Whether or not the Scottish Government does take the "toughest possible line on aggressive tax avoidance" is a separate point - I don't think it does. And neither does the UK Government or HMRC, although things are improving.
I'm confused. We've established that we all use legal methods to reduce our tax burden, as does Mr Salmond.
That article refers to "sort of unacceptable, aggressive tax avoidance that is widespread in the UK tax system" and companies avoiding tax such as Amazon. Perhaps subjective, but we're not comparing apples with apples here.
Whether or not the Scottish Government does take the "toughest possible line on aggressive tax avoidance" is a separate point - I don't think it does. And neither does the UK Government or HMRC, although things are improving.
What is and what isn't in the bad list from an SNP perspective? Actually from the general public of UK what do people get hacked off about? Is it because they hadn't thought of doing it /envy or that the option is simply not available to them due to how they are paid? Or do hey ignore the fact they utilise lots of tax avoidance themselves but somehow don't think of it that way or choose to ignore that fact.
While we are on it why did the press come out with Google paid 3% tax (on revenue) when they paid 20% on profits.
Let's take a supermarket in he UK at best they will make 5% so then you pay tax at 20% on that so they actually pay 1% tax which means they are scoundrels and paying three times less tax than he horrible Google....
Latest Holyrood poll:
SNP 53% (+1)
Labour 22% (+1)
Conservatives 16% (n/c)
Liberal Democrats 6% (-1)
Tories flatlining on 16% with their core support of old pensioners according to the stats. They are finished in Scotland after this.
It's not just the SNP that want extra accountability for the Scottish Parliament.
Most people want full independence in the latest poll, so it's not rocket science that many more want further significant extra powers at the very least.
The Tories can't even deliver the feeble Scotland bill with limited 'powers' over income tax, without trying to slap a £3 billion charge on it.
Every self-respecting Scot should boot them out of our Parliament.
They are a disgrace.
SNP 53% (+1)
Labour 22% (+1)
Conservatives 16% (n/c)
Liberal Democrats 6% (-1)
Tories flatlining on 16% with their core support of old pensioners according to the stats. They are finished in Scotland after this.
It's not just the SNP that want extra accountability for the Scottish Parliament.
Most people want full independence in the latest poll, so it's not rocket science that many more want further significant extra powers at the very least.
The Tories can't even deliver the feeble Scotland bill with limited 'powers' over income tax, without trying to slap a £3 billion charge on it.
Every self-respecting Scot should boot them out of our Parliament.
They are a disgrace.
wings_over said:
The Tories can't even deliver the feeble Scotland bill with limited 'powers' over income tax, without trying to slap a £3 billion charge on it.
Every self-respecting Scot should boot them out of our Parliament.
They are a disgrace.
Presumably every self-respecting Scot should boot out the SNP. After all, when someone proposed actually using the income tax powers (as opposed to merely whingeing about them), the SNP voted with, er, the Tories. Keeping the income tax in Scotland the same as - can you guess? - the English Tories.Every self-respecting Scot should boot them out of our Parliament.
They are a disgrace.
wings_over said:
Latest Holyrood poll:
SNP 53% (+1)
Labour 22% (+1)
Conservatives 16% (n/c)
Liberal Democrats 6% (-1)
Tories flatlining on 16% with their core support of old pensioners according to the stats. They are finished in Scotland after this.
It's not just the SNP that want extra accountability for the Scottish Parliament.
Most people want full independence in the latest poll, so it's not rocket science that many more want further significant extra powers at the very least.
The Tories can't even deliver the feeble Scotland bill with limited 'powers' over income tax, without trying to slap a £3 billion charge on it.
Every self-respecting Scot should boot them out of our Parliament.
They are a disgrace.
SNP 53% (+1)
Labour 22% (+1)
Conservatives 16% (n/c)
Liberal Democrats 6% (-1)
Tories flatlining on 16% with their core support of old pensioners according to the stats. They are finished in Scotland after this.
It's not just the SNP that want extra accountability for the Scottish Parliament.
Most people want full independence in the latest poll, so it's not rocket science that many more want further significant extra powers at the very least.
The Tories can't even deliver the feeble Scotland bill with limited 'powers' over income tax, without trying to slap a £3 billion charge on it.
Every self-respecting Scot should boot them out of our Parliament.
They are a disgrace.
wings_over said:
Latest Holyrood poll:
SNP 53% (+1)
Labour 22% (+1)
Conservatives 16% (n/c)
Liberal Democrats 6% (-1)
Tories flatlining on 16% with their core support of old pensioners according to the stats. They are finished in Scotland after this.
It's not just the SNP that want extra accountability for the Scottish Parliament.
Most people want full independence in the latest poll, so it's not rocket science that many more want further significant extra powers at the very least.
The Tories can't even deliver the feeble Scotland bill with limited 'powers' over income tax, without trying to slap a £3 billion charge on it.
Every self-respecting Scot should boot them out of our Parliament.
They are a disgrace.
Please tell me why Wales N Ireland and England should have to pay £3billion more ? SNP 53% (+1)
Labour 22% (+1)
Conservatives 16% (n/c)
Liberal Democrats 6% (-1)
Tories flatlining on 16% with their core support of old pensioners according to the stats. They are finished in Scotland after this.
It's not just the SNP that want extra accountability for the Scottish Parliament.
Most people want full independence in the latest poll, so it's not rocket science that many more want further significant extra powers at the very least.
The Tories can't even deliver the feeble Scotland bill with limited 'powers' over income tax, without trying to slap a £3 billion charge on it.
Every self-respecting Scot should boot them out of our Parliament.
They are a disgrace.
Wales and N Ireland vastly less wealthy country than Scotland yet you want them to pay more to Scotland? Odd
wings_over said:
Latest Holyrood poll:
SNP 53% (+1)
Labour 22% (+1)
Conservatives 16% (n/c)
Liberal Democrats 6% (-1)
Tories flatlining on 16% with their core support of old pensioners according to the stats. They are finished in Scotland after this.
It's not just the SNP that want extra accountability for the Scottish Parliament.
Most people want full independence in the latest poll, so it's not rocket science that many more want further significant extra powers at the very least.
The Tories can't even deliver the feeble Scotland bill with limited 'powers' over income tax, without trying to slap a £3 billion charge on it.
Every self-respecting Scot should boot them out of our Parliament.
They are a disgrace.
I really hope you're a caricature because if you're not, and are indicative of the average independence supporter, Scotland is absolutely screwed.SNP 53% (+1)
Labour 22% (+1)
Conservatives 16% (n/c)
Liberal Democrats 6% (-1)
Tories flatlining on 16% with their core support of old pensioners according to the stats. They are finished in Scotland after this.
It's not just the SNP that want extra accountability for the Scottish Parliament.
Most people want full independence in the latest poll, so it's not rocket science that many more want further significant extra powers at the very least.
The Tories can't even deliver the feeble Scotland bill with limited 'powers' over income tax, without trying to slap a £3 billion charge on it.
Every self-respecting Scot should boot them out of our Parliament.
They are a disgrace.
wings_over said:
Latest Holyrood poll:
SNP 53%....
Most people want full independence in the latest poll.
Even if pantyliner-wings is a caricature, spot the flawed SNat Logic - a vote for the SNP = a vote for full independence (which currently isn't the case).SNP 53%....
Most people want full independence in the latest poll.
What a quandary!
The only thing a vote for the SNP represents is a vote for a new brand of scum that takes politics to a new level of exploitation by being new and therefore being able to obfuscate their track record of being even more deplorable than what went before.
Big Rod said:
wings_over said:
Latest Holyrood poll:
SNP 53% (+1)
Labour 22% (+1)
Conservatives 16% (n/c)
Liberal Democrats 6% (-1)
Tories flatlining on 16% with their core support of old pensioners according to the stats. They are finished in Scotland after this.
It's not just the SNP that want extra accountability for the Scottish Parliament.
Most people want full independence in the latest poll, so it's not rocket science that many more want further significant extra powers at the very least.
The Tories can't even deliver the feeble Scotland bill with limited 'powers' over income tax, without trying to slap a £3 billion charge on it.
Every self-respecting Scot should boot them out of our Parliament.
They are a disgrace.
I really hope you're a caricature because if you're not, and are indicative of the average independence supporter, Scotland is absolutely screwed.SNP 53% (+1)
Labour 22% (+1)
Conservatives 16% (n/c)
Liberal Democrats 6% (-1)
Tories flatlining on 16% with their core support of old pensioners according to the stats. They are finished in Scotland after this.
It's not just the SNP that want extra accountability for the Scottish Parliament.
Most people want full independence in the latest poll, so it's not rocket science that many more want further significant extra powers at the very least.
The Tories can't even deliver the feeble Scotland bill with limited 'powers' over income tax, without trying to slap a £3 billion charge on it.
Every self-respecting Scot should boot them out of our Parliament.
They are a disgrace.
"Scotland is the 7th richest country in the world. We want to spend the zillions of tax we raise on ourselves and not subsidize England."
"Hang on, they want to cut the Barnett Formula subsidy we get and we'd be responsible for justifying what we spend with the taxes we raise"
wings_over said:
Most people want full independence in the latest poll
f
k your latest poll.The SNP had decades to make their case for independence. They made a weak proposal and we rejected it in the only poll that matters.
It's easy to be gallus after the event. Rather than blaming nawbags you should maybe be saving your ire for the party which failed you so comprehensively, who were so ill prepared with such a false manifesto the majority saw right through it. And incidentally nothing on that score has changed, so you would lose again. Sturgeon knows it. Salmond knows it. Only the deluded freeeedom lemmings think otherwise.
But if I'm wrong and you have the sums right this time, or a currency plan, or the EU thing sorted I'm all ears...
So they were unable to reach an agreement in the more devolution of powers along with responsibility.
Where next?
I keep saying the Welsh N Ireland England and Scotland have to be involved in the negotiation of Barnet changes. It's all too easy for them to plead to Westminster come on sort this out we want the purse strings opened what you promised -- sadly Wales N Ireland and England were also part of the vow no detriment to all parts of the U.K. It currently seems that IF Scotland increase population post the line in the sand then the extra taxation they get from that they want to keep and not decrease the Barnet further. However if population decreased they want the Barnet formulae maintained as it is now.
I don't get that more people is a £ per person calculation for the services. If it drops they cost less to support.
Now say if England Scotland stay static on population but Wales and N Ireland increase will Scotland happily accept a reduction in the Barnet for it to go to those countries?
Just curious as it seems they want everything at the expense of others and far poorer countries (I'm highly confident Wales isn't 8th richest in the world in fact I'd say it's way way way down the list N Ireland more so yet Scotland would want those countries paying in more to the 7th richest country in the world? Why?
Where next?
I keep saying the Welsh N Ireland England and Scotland have to be involved in the negotiation of Barnet changes. It's all too easy for them to plead to Westminster come on sort this out we want the purse strings opened what you promised -- sadly Wales N Ireland and England were also part of the vow no detriment to all parts of the U.K. It currently seems that IF Scotland increase population post the line in the sand then the extra taxation they get from that they want to keep and not decrease the Barnet further. However if population decreased they want the Barnet formulae maintained as it is now.
I don't get that more people is a £ per person calculation for the services. If it drops they cost less to support.
Now say if England Scotland stay static on population but Wales and N Ireland increase will Scotland happily accept a reduction in the Barnet for it to go to those countries?
Just curious as it seems they want everything at the expense of others and far poorer countries (I'm highly confident Wales isn't 8th richest in the world in fact I'd say it's way way way down the list N Ireland more so yet Scotland would want those countries paying in more to the 7th richest country in the world? Why?
Edinburger said:
If you had been reading this thread over the years, you'd know I'm not SNP (assuming I am being referred to as "Lord Squirrel" 
)
I am not SNP. I don't work for the SNP. I am not a member of the SNP. I don't follow any SNP politicians on Twitter or go out of my way to read or learn anything in particular about the SNP.
I'm a floating voter. I have voted Conservative, Labour and SNP over the years. I see positives and negatives in every party's manifesto and behaviours. It just so happens that I believe SNP is offering the people of Scotland the best government at the moment - excluding their desire for independence which I don't currently agree with.
Hope that helps.
I don't understand how you can disagree with the policy of independence, but believe the SNP are the best government for Scotland. Everything they do is geared to cause division and trouble within Scotland and the UK. The only way you, as a person, can make sense in my head is if you're an SNP supporter trying to pretend you're not.)I am not SNP. I don't work for the SNP. I am not a member of the SNP. I don't follow any SNP politicians on Twitter or go out of my way to read or learn anything in particular about the SNP.
I'm a floating voter. I have voted Conservative, Labour and SNP over the years. I see positives and negatives in every party's manifesto and behaviours. It just so happens that I believe SNP is offering the people of Scotland the best government at the moment - excluding their desire for independence which I don't currently agree with.
Hope that helps.
Someone asked me yesterday what I thought about the EU referendum. I said that I don't like what the EU has become. We joined a common market which made sense to most of us but this has really just turned out to be a slightly disappointing customs union. And we now have tons of integrationist politics loaded on top by very expensive career politicians for whom noone has ever voted.
BUT, speaking of expensive career politicians for whom noone has ever voted that revolting little rabble rouser, Nicola Sturgeon wants the UK to vote for an exit so she can run another "once in a lifetime, voice of a generation" Scottish referendum.
So, purely to piss the Nats off I'm voting to stay in.
Tunnocks anyone?
BUT, speaking of expensive career politicians for whom noone has ever voted that revolting little rabble rouser, Nicola Sturgeon wants the UK to vote for an exit so she can run another "once in a lifetime, voice of a generation" Scottish referendum.
So, purely to piss the Nats off I'm voting to stay in.
Tunnocks anyone?
AC43 said:
So, purely to piss the Nats off I'm voting to stay in.
I wouldn't worry about voting tactically. There'll be regional counts, and if (as I suspect will happen) Scotland as a region has a majority of 'out' votes or a greater percentage of 'out' votes than the UK as a whole and/or the rest of the UK that'll scupper the SNP good and proper.One thing about SNats is that they on the whole racist, and the immigration issue plays strongly with them.
wings_over said:
Latest Holyrood poll:
SNP 53% (+1)
Labour 22% (+1)
Conservatives 16% (n/c)
Liberal Democrats 6% (-1)
Tories flatlining on 16% with their core support of old pensioners according to the stats. They are finished in Scotland after this.
It's not just the SNP that want extra accountability for the Scottish Parliament.
Most people want full independence in the latest poll, so it's not rocket science that many more want further significant extra powers at the very least.
The Tories can't even deliver the feeble Scotland bill with limited 'powers' over income tax, without trying to slap a £3 billion charge on it.
Every self-respecting Scot should boot them out of our Parliament.
They are a disgrace.
On the back of no substantiation of the 'Tory Party walking away from the Smith Commision' we now have this load of unsubstantiated statements.SNP 53% (+1)
Labour 22% (+1)
Conservatives 16% (n/c)
Liberal Democrats 6% (-1)
Tories flatlining on 16% with their core support of old pensioners according to the stats. They are finished in Scotland after this.
It's not just the SNP that want extra accountability for the Scottish Parliament.
Most people want full independence in the latest poll, so it's not rocket science that many more want further significant extra powers at the very least.
The Tories can't even deliver the feeble Scotland bill with limited 'powers' over income tax, without trying to slap a £3 billion charge on it.
Every self-respecting Scot should boot them out of our Parliament.
They are a disgrace.
Most want full independence - you'll have to help me with this one as the recent referendum said otherwise in a very conclusive manner? This is a 'matter of fact'.
£3Bn charge - please explain how this is a charge?
Disgrace - precisely in what way?
r11co said:
AC43 said:
So, purely to piss the Nats off I'm voting to stay in.
I wouldn't worry about voting tactically. There'll be regional counts, and if (as I suspect will happen) Scotland as a region has a majority of 'out' votes or a greater percentage of 'out' votes than the UK as a whole and/or the rest of the UK that'll scupper the SNP good and proper.One thing about SNats is that they on the whole racist, and the immigration issue plays strongly with them.
Fine, darling, you tell me what you want to me do and I'll do the opposite.
simoid said:
Wing nut is the artist formerly known as thinfourth and mcwigglebum, ya fks.
If that's the case will the ban hammer be descending once more? I'm pretty sure that multiple log one and re-entry into a banned forum are frowned upon. The spectacular nonsense he spouts is quite amusing though.ks.Wing nut is the mental incapacity, see my earlier post, your kind suffer from some kind of multiple log on personality disorder?
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