Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 7

[Edinburger]

Gecko1978 said:

NoNeed said:

Gecko1978 said:

r11co said:

I reported the above post to FB for breaking its rules regarding inciting racial hatred. I advise any right-thinking person to do the same as IMO it steps over the boundary.

Seems it has been taken down as No need reply mine an Wings have all been removed also the item about angus roberts making up DWP v HMRC staff numbers.

Still gald the mods removed the racist bits as while the image was news supporting it is in poor taste just as would supporting a burning saltair

Why they would take down posts about Angus using Facebook memes for PMQ's rather than facts is beyond me. He got his numbers wrong big time and made himself and the SNP look the idiots they are.

my guesss is when the modify they take the offensive post out an all later ones are also killed off. I doubt any one complained about DWP v HMRC

Ha ha because there's never any offensive posts on this thread lads, eh?

[NoNeed]

Gecko1978 said:

NoNeed said:

Gecko1978 said:

r11co said:

I reported the above post to FB for breaking its rules regarding inciting racial hatred. I advise any right-thinking person to do the same as IMO it steps over the boundary.

Seems it has been taken down as No need reply mine an Wings have all been removed also the item about angus roberts making up DWP v HMRC staff numbers.

Still gald the mods removed the racist bits as while the image was news supporting it is in poor taste just as would supporting a burning saltair

Why they would take down posts about Angus using Facebook memes for PMQ's rather than facts is beyond me. He got his numbers wrong big time and made himself and the SNP look the idiots they are.

my guesss is when the modify they take the offensive post out an all later ones are also killed off. I doubt any one complained about DWP v HMRC

Anyway here's the report so we can laugh. Only the SNP would use innacurate Facebook memes at PMQ's

http://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2016/04/13/pmqs-fa...

[spitsfire]

Edinburger said:

Ha ha because there's never any offensive posts on this thread lads, eh?

You're mistaking subjectively offensive with objectively offensive.

The FB post is objectively offensive.

You seem to think something is offensive if you are offended by it.

Stephen Fry said:

“It's now very common to hear people say, 'I'm rather offended by that.' As if that gives them certain rights. It's actually nothing more... than a whine. 'I find that offensive.' It has no meaning; it has no purpose; it has no reason to be respected as a phrase. 'I am offended by that.' Well, so fking what."

[Edinburger]

spitsfire said:

Edinburger said:

Ha ha because there's never any offensive posts on this thread lads, eh?

You're mistaking subjectively offensive with objectively offensive.

The FB post is objectively offensive.

You seem to think something is offensive if you are offended by it.

Stephen Fry said:

“It's now very common to hear people say, 'I'm rather offended by that.' As if that gives them certain rights. It's actually nothing more... than a whine. 'I find that offensive.' It has no meaning; it has no purpose; it has no reason to be respected as a phrase. 'I am offended by that.' Well, so fking what."

Nope, neither actually. I was being facetious.

[rovermorris999]

Has this been mentioned yet?
http://capx.co/nicola-sturgeons-human-rights-halo-...

[R1gtr]

Paranoid much? Moron.

[NoNeed]

http://100snpfailedpromises.weebly.com/

[Silverbullet767]

NoNeed said:

http://100snpfailedpromises.weebly.com/

[MikeT66]

R1gtr said:

Paranoid much? Moron.

"Give it too a trusted friend..."

Yes, a moron.

[r11co]

rovermorris999 said:

Has this been mentioned yet?
http://capx.co/nicola-sturgeons-human-rights-halo-...

The last paragraph sums things up perfectly (and rather depressingly)...

Gerald Warner said:

In the Scottish electorate’s present state of consensual stupor the SNP could introduce the Chinese One Child policy without forfeiting many votes.

The SNP have tapped perfectly into the tribalist mentality of a large proportion of the Scottish populace, mindlessly following the herd with the promise of glory at the end of the path.

Perhaps starting tomorrow the knuckledraggers will go back to their old fights and lose interest in 'freedumb' and the SNP.

[technodup]

r11co said:

Perhaps starting tomorrow the knuckledraggers will go back to their old fights and lose interest in 'freedumb' and the SNP.

There a lot of talk on my Facebook from die hard Labour types of voting Tory this time.

They obviously realise it'll not be Labour who instigate the downfall of the SNP.

[Welshbeef]

technodup said:

here a lot of talk on my Facebook from die hard Labour types of voting Tory this time.

They obviously realise it'll not be Labour who instigate the downfall of the SNP.

That's the rub isn't it - once you get a situation whereby an Indy movement has x% of the vote it kills opposition as the remaining votes are split so many ways over 1 way irrespective of political leaning.


End of the day if Scotland wants Independance they can have it likewise Wales or N Ireland to unite the whole Ireland of Ireland. It's always down to the people who live there. They are adult enough to be able to marry have kids and vote at elections therefore irrespective of what lack of common sense or otherwise their vote is right.


The frustration is if it harms the remaining Union so being utterly selfish I could lose out and my kids due to others choices.



I've always thought a full federal setup is the best way - within the union and the defence that provides better buying/economies of scale but utter autonomy and resultant responsibility. The difficult part is we never commenced as a federal setup instead one big pot so now there are without question parts of the Union which if it went federal would see dramatic decrease in state or massive tax rises conversely say London would have dramatic tax cuts.

[fluffnik]

Welshbeef said:

I've always thought a full federal setup is the best way

Me too, but there's still no need for a UK in the Bundesrepublik Europa...

[gofasterrosssco]

SNP making spurious claims.. Never!

https://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/fp/news/politics...

[r11co]

gofasterrosssco said:

SNP making spurious claims.. Never!

https://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/fp/news/politics...

Gillian Martin is a classic example of how a political party in ascendency can put a monkey up as candidate and get them elected. She is a product of the gutter Cybernat mentality, who thinks nothing of making rude, offensive or outright false claims with utter self-belief.

[Welshbeef]

Well well - North Sea tax receipts slip to £35m

Corporation tax raised £538m
But that was offset by rebates on Petrolrun revenue tax totalling £503m

In the tax year 2014/15 they collected £2billion
In the tax year 4 years ago 11/12 they collected £11billion.


So that is the TOTAL tax collection meaning Scotland gets 10% of it...



So what is being cut or what taxes are being raised in Scotland to mitigate this gap? A legacy gap of course but then it appears to be an ongoing shortfall due to low prices.

Also this plays into the UK as a whole so yes the UK reduced its deficit this year but it's against challenges like this good boy Osbourne.

[Edinburger]

Welshbeef said:

Well well - North Sea tax receipts slip to £35m

Corporation tax raised £538m
But that was offset by rebates on Petrolrun revenue tax totalling £503m

In the tax year 2014/15 they collected £2billion
In the tax year 4 years ago 11/12 they collected £11billion.


So that is the TOTAL tax collection meaning Scotland gets 10% of it...



So what is being cut or what taxes are being raised in Scotland to mitigate this gap? A legacy gap of course but then it appears to be an ongoing shortfall due to low prices.

Also this plays into the UK as a whole so yes the UK reduced its deficit this year but it's against challenges like this good boy Osbourne.

By your own logic, the question should surely be "So what is being cut or what taxes are being raised in Scotland to mitigate Scotland's proportion of this gap?".

[Axionknight]

Big rumblings about the Type 26 warships that are to be built on the Clyde being delayed.

[HD Adam]

Edinburger said:

Welshbeef said:

Well well - North Sea tax receipts slip to £35m

Corporation tax raised £538m
But that was offset by rebates on Petrolrun revenue tax totalling £503m

In the tax year 2014/15 they collected £2billion
In the tax year 4 years ago 11/12 they collected £11billion.


So that is the TOTAL tax collection meaning Scotland gets 10% of it...



So what is being cut or what taxes are being raised in Scotland to mitigate this gap? A legacy gap of course but then it appears to be an ongoing shortfall due to low prices.

Also this plays into the UK as a whole so yes the UK reduced its deficit this year but it's against challenges like this good boy Osbourne.

By your own logic, the question should surely be "So what is being cut or what taxes are being raised in Scotland to mitigate Scotland's proportion of this gap?".

Seeing as all we heard during the Indyref from the SNP was that the oil was just a bonus and not that important, I'm sure they can make up the difference from all the tax on Whiskey, Shortbread, Haggis, Tunnocks Tea cakes & Irn-Bru that was going to really fund independence.

[Welshbeef]

Edinburger said:

Welshbeef said:

Well well - North Sea tax receipts slip to £35m

Corporation tax raised £538m
But that was offset by rebates on Petrolrun revenue tax totalling £503m

In the tax year 2014/15 they collected £2billion
In the tax year 4 years ago 11/12 they collected £11billion.


So that is the TOTAL tax collection meaning Scotland gets 10% of it...



So what is being cut or what taxes are being raised in Scotland to mitigate this gap? A legacy gap of course but then it appears to be an ongoing shortfall due to low prices.

Also this plays into the UK as a whole so yes the UK reduced its deficit this year but it's against challenges like this good boy Osbourne.

By your own logic, the question should surely be "So what is being cut or what taxes are being raised in Scotland to mitigate Scotland's proportion of this gap?".

?

What do you mean? Scotland now has a mahousive budget deficit. It was terrible with £2billion oil and gas tax revenue now what £3.5m tax revenue.....


What are you cutting or increasing in taxes to find the gap? The U.K. As a whole reduced its deficit year on year and is still going for surplus within 4 years.

Scotlands deficit is what (last year 2014/15 £15billion) £17billion gap on a budget of £55billion. That is frightening and frankly there simply is nothing going to close that gap --- instead it's going to have to be reduction in spend on a par post WW2 ration books or crippling additional taxes.


Remember the UK govt couldn't get the tax credits reduced which only saved £2billion out of a budget of £700billion.