Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 7
Discussion
Axionknight said:
Hmmm, minority rule, or would the Greens climb into bed with them despite being parties that differ on a lot of key issues.
Interesting (to quote the notably absent Edinburger!)I heard the pro-independence wonk on Radio Scotland saying that this made Patrick Harvie potentially the most powerful man in the Scottish parliament (and there's a potential career for me as several people have told me I am his doppleganger
)I suspect there won't be an SNP/Green alliance though - instead I think this result marks the breakdown of the independence alliance as pro-indy supporters with polarised political views start to go their separate ways. Nicola Sturgeon's mock-Tory campaign (complete with Thatcherite slogans and dress sense, and that tasteless picture of her holding The Sun days after the Hillsborough enquiry result and on the day it carried a front-page story about a construction worker's death on the Forth Crossing) will come back to haunt her.
Frack-off indeed!
Edited by r11co on Friday 6th May 09:28
Well i cant be too unhappy, my constituency went from SNP to Tories, and i voted for Tories 
However Stuart Hosie on the telly this morning almost had me needing to buy a new one, i f
king despise that gurning pantomime villain of the indy cause.
He was basically saying, its not a majority, and we should take that on board, but with such an overall number of votes we can start pushing through nicola sturgeons manifesto in earnest....so indyref 2.......FFFFUUCCCKKKKK!
However Stuart Hosie on the telly this morning almost had me needing to buy a new one, i f
king despise that gurning pantomime villain of the indy cause.He was basically saying, its not a majority, and we should take that on board, but with such an overall number of votes we can start pushing through nicola sturgeons manifesto in earnest....so indyref 2.......FFFFUUCCCKKKKK!
Rick_1138 said:
He was basically saying, its not a majority, and we should take that on board, but with such an overall number of votes we can start pushing through nicola sturgeons manifesto in earnest....so indyref 2.......FFFFUUCCCKKKKK!
More evidence that the man is a moron. By definition a minority government cannot push through anything. Routine SNP though - spout complete ste, because they know their target demographic consists mostly of the hard-of-thinking.I'm predicting the opposite to Hosie's vision. The SNP relied heavily on support from the Conservatives in their last minority government (despite Sturgeon spouting the s
te that the SNP will never do deals with the Tories - again playing to her thick audience) and they are unlikely to get that support this time round. The Greens in Scotland are already a fractured and divided party and in an attempt to be seen to be strong could pull any support for the SNP when the fracking/hospital closure/named person scheme issues that the Nats have been sitting on until after this election rear up again. If the Greens capitulate too easily to the Nats they will go the same way as the Lib Dems did after they entered coalition.The unknown will be Labour - desperate to cling to power and wavering over the constitutional issue throwing in the towel and joining with the Nats....?!
Overall though what we can take from the result is that we have crested 'peak SNP' and while they are still the largest force in Scottish politics they have significantly less power from today than they had for the last 5 years.
Edited by r11co on Friday 6th May 10:08
r11co said:
Axionknight said:
Hmmm, minority rule, or would the Greens climb into bed with them despite being parties that differ on a lot of key issues.
Interesting (to quote the notably absent Edinburger!)
r11co said:
Rick_1138 said:
He was basically saying, its not a majority, and we should take that on board, but with such an overall number of votes we can start pushing through nicola sturgeons manifesto in earnest....so indyref 2.......FFFFUUCCCKKKKK!
More evidence that the man is a moron. By definition a minority government cannot push through anything. Routine SNP though - spout complete ste, because they know their target demographic consists mostly of the hard-of-thinking.k off and when he's finished fking off, he can fk off some more.Well, I did hold my nose and vote Tory in the end.
Not the result I would have hoped for in an ideal world. However, given recent history, I think the SNP failing to win a majority is excellent. My hope is that they take on the message that democracy is for everyone - not just those who shout the loudest.
Not the result I would have hoped for in an ideal world. However, given recent history, I think the SNP failing to win a majority is excellent. My hope is that they take on the message that democracy is for everyone - not just those who shout the loudest.
r11co said:
Axionknight said:
Hmmm, minority rule, or would the Greens climb into bed with them despite being parties that differ on a lot of key issues.
Interesting (to quote the notably absent Edinburger!)I heard the pro-independence wonk on Radio Scotland saying that this made Patrick Harvie potentially the most powerful man in the Scottish parliament (and there's a potential career for me as several people have told me I am his doppleganger
)I suspect there won't be an SNP/Green alliance though - instead I think this result marks the breakdown of the independence alliance as pro-indy supporters with polarised political views start to go their separate ways. Nicola Sturgeon's mock-Tory campaign (complete with Thatcherite slogans and dress sense, and that tasteless picture of her holding The Sun days after the Hillsborough enquiry result and on the day it carried a front-page story about a construction worker's death on the Forth Crossing) will come back to haunt her.
Frack-off indeed!
Edited by r11co on Friday 6th May 09:28
I appear to have woken up to find I have a parliamentary representative I actually voted for - probably for the first time since I was a student.
So how does the total independence-supporting party vote for Scotland as a whole compare to the equivalent figure for the last Scottish Elections, the last UK elections, and indyref, (putting turnout to one side)?
So how does the total independence-supporting party vote for Scotland as a whole compare to the equivalent figure for the last Scottish Elections, the last UK elections, and indyref, (putting turnout to one side)?
jshell said:
Hi neighbour! 
and also hope works going ok after all the oila nd gas price issues, you gave me some good advice via e-mails before about work stuff! ha
Some amount of pish from the fishy one, we made history tonight... three consecutive elections... never before in the Scottish Parliament...
It's less than 20 years old for fks sake. fk off.
In spite of her 'historic victory' the Reverand isn't happy...
It's less than 20 years old for f
ks sake. fk off.In spite of her 'historic victory' the Reverand isn't happy...
Wings of Scotland said:
Independence supporters ignored all our warnings and now the Scottish Government will be at the mercy of the opposition, in all sorts of ways.
One of the most immediate is that the Nats may be unwilling to sacrifice one of their MSPs to be Presiding Officer, which could result in a Unionist one who would rule any second referendum outwith Holyrood’s powers, even if there were the votes for it.
The Offensive Behaviour (Football) Act – hugely backed by the public across all party lines, but opposed by the media and every non-SNP party – may well also find itself scrapped. “Named Person” legislation, overwhelmingly backed by every child-welfare agency in the land, could be sabotaged.
The fifth Scottish Parliament will be one of division and wrangling. It’ll contain more than twice as many Tory MSPs as its predecessor, crowing in bouyant and belligerent “No Surrender” mood.
All sounds pretty positive to me. One of the most immediate is that the Nats may be unwilling to sacrifice one of their MSPs to be Presiding Officer, which could result in a Unionist one who would rule any second referendum outwith Holyrood’s powers, even if there were the votes for it.
The Offensive Behaviour (Football) Act – hugely backed by the public across all party lines, but opposed by the media and every non-SNP party – may well also find itself scrapped. “Named Person” legislation, overwhelmingly backed by every child-welfare agency in the land, could be sabotaged.
The fifth Scottish Parliament will be one of division and wrangling. It’ll contain more than twice as many Tory MSPs as its predecessor, crowing in bouyant and belligerent “No Surrender” mood.
malks222 said:
jshell said:
Hi neighbour! and also hope works going ok after all the oila nd gas price issues, you gave me some good advice via e-mails before about work stuff! ha
I'm other end of Stockbridge, but have been known to get the odd beer in the Raeburn, though it's been far too long!
jshell said:
malks222 said:
jshell said:
Hi neighbour! and also hope works going ok after all the oila nd gas price issues, you gave me some good advice via e-mails before about work stuff! ha
I'm other end of Stockbridge, but have been known to get the odd beer in the Raeburn, though it's been far too long!
Small world - I'm in Bruntsfield. Used to live in Stockbridge though, near Hectors. Also in Dundas Street for a while.
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