Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 7
Discussion
r11co said:
Looks like he's preparing to move on to another money-making scam...
First pirate software and then political donations. I guess considering his assumed moniker, the intention was to move on to creating a phoney religion all along.
Well we'll all that £ he took from innocent victims (fluffy being one)First pirate software and then political donations. I guess considering his assumed moniker, the intention was to move on to creating a phoney religion all along.
Welshbeef said:
r11co said:
Looks like he's preparing to move on to another money-making scam...
First pirate software and then political donations. I guess considering his assumed moniker, the intention was to move on to creating a phoney religion all along.
Well we'll all that £ he took from innocent victims (fluffy being one)First pirate software and then political donations. I guess considering his assumed moniker, the intention was to move on to creating a phoney religion all along.
What are the consequences of the lack of a majority?
Which legislation will (potentially) not be passed now?
Does that mean the changes to income tax to diverge from UK are history as they were never formally enacted? Or were they passed?
Is the bullsh*t guardian scheme now possibly dead in the water?
Is this emasculation of the SNastyP possibly the best day in Scottish politics for a very long time?
Which legislation will (potentially) not be passed now?
Does that mean the changes to income tax to diverge from UK are history as they were never formally enacted? Or were they passed?
Is the bullsh*t guardian scheme now possibly dead in the water?
Is this emasculation of the SNastyP possibly the best day in Scottish politics for a very long time?
Ive allways been a Tory voter so am reasonably happy with yesterdays result. I had mixed thoughts on last years general election, I would have liked to see the SNP wiped out but there landslide victory was the next best result because i was quite confident they would wipe themselves out in the following five years, Im pleased to see its happening already Yee Ha.
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technodup said:
Some amount of pish from the fishy one, we made history tonight... three consecutive elections... never before in the Scottish Parliament...
It's less than 20 years old for f
ks sake. fk off.
In spite of her 'historic victory' the Reverand isn't happy...
Anything that gets rid of the SNP's named paedophile legislation is a good thing.It's less than 20 years old for f
ks sake. fk off.In spite of her 'historic victory' the Reverand isn't happy...
Wings of Scotland said:
Independence supporters ignored all our warnings and now the Scottish Government will be at the mercy of the opposition, in all sorts of ways.
One of the most immediate is that the Nats may be unwilling to sacrifice one of their MSPs to be Presiding Officer, which could result in a Unionist one who would rule any second referendum outwith Holyrood’s powers, even if there were the votes for it.
The Offensive Behaviour (Football) Act – hugely backed by the public across all party lines, but opposed by the media and every non-SNP party – may well also find itself scrapped. “Named Person” legislation, overwhelmingly backed by every child-welfare agency in the land, could be sabotaged.
The fifth Scottish Parliament will be one of division and wrangling. It’ll contain more than twice as many Tory MSPs as its predecessor, crowing in bouyant and belligerent “No Surrender” mood.
All sounds pretty positive to me. One of the most immediate is that the Nats may be unwilling to sacrifice one of their MSPs to be Presiding Officer, which could result in a Unionist one who would rule any second referendum outwith Holyrood’s powers, even if there were the votes for it.
The Offensive Behaviour (Football) Act – hugely backed by the public across all party lines, but opposed by the media and every non-SNP party – may well also find itself scrapped. “Named Person” legislation, overwhelmingly backed by every child-welfare agency in the land, could be sabotaged.
The fifth Scottish Parliament will be one of division and wrangling. It’ll contain more than twice as many Tory MSPs as its predecessor, crowing in bouyant and belligerent “No Surrender” mood.
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malks222 said:
jshell said:
Hi neighbour! 
and also hope works going ok after all the oila nd gas price issues, you gave me some good advice via e-mails before about work stuff! ha
I'm other end of Stockbridge, but have been known to get the odd beer in the Raeburn, though it's been far too long!
Small world - I'm in Bruntsfield. Used to live in Stockbridge though, near Hectors. Also in Dundas Street for a while.
nice to see the most competent politician in the scottish parliament being rewarded for all the hard work she has put in over the last few years. this election was just about the biggest kick in the balls ever to labour and a timely reminder to the snp they are not as popular as they may think.
anyone that voted green needs to give themselves a slap. to be expected from the white trustafarian settlers either retired or working for scottish natural heritage (known as scottish non jobs up here) on the west coast and highlands and islands, but glasgow and edinburgh , deary me.
anyone that voted green needs to give themselves a slap. to be expected from the white trustafarian settlers either retired or working for scottish natural heritage (known as scottish non jobs up here) on the west coast and highlands and islands, but glasgow and edinburgh , deary me.
Bit of a shame for Labour - plenty of votes but often in constituencies where the SNP just got more. Fair few areas where Labour got virtually none, too, though. Them's the breaks.
Haven't crunched the numbers - but I reckon if you take out a few non-conservative constituencies then Scotland is just as Tory as England. True Scots indeed!
Haven't crunched the numbers - but I reckon if you take out a few non-conservative constituencies then Scotland is just as Tory as England. True Scots indeed!
imagineifyeswill said:
The nationalist movement seems to get an upsurge every 30 to 40 years then fade away again, this latest one is on the downward spiral now thakfully.
Lets hope so. The snag is that I suspect they are perhaps even glad they don't quite have a majority. Their next ruse for blaming others will be "ah, we can't make all the changes we need to in Scotland now as we don't have a majority due to the evil proportional representation forced upon us by the evil tories (even though labour brought in devo). etc.".
That will see another 5 years of division. Their campaign will be to play the victim and under-empowered, bleating all the way while secretly happy they don't have to take any risks of actually deviating from UK policy and tax and doing anything at all. Other than lapping up 5 more years of barnett bonusery, and not worrying how to fill their £15Bn black hole.
They'll probably do easy deals with the greens - let us have the guardian scheme and we'll keep building the windfarms etc. But they won't do a coalition, so they can still say "poke off" when it suits them. Could get interesting.
Are there enough green indyref MSPs to carry more indyref2 action by majority?
///ajd said:
That will see another 5 years of division.
We'll be getting that either way. On the 45 FB pages they're in a bit of a confused meltdown. Scots voting for Tories is clearly outwith their zone of understanding in the first place but the fact that to win any future referendum they need to convert lots of these people is lost on them. I think the most likely 'trigger that will cause a material change in circumstances' to use their horrible phrase is Sturgeon exiting stage left for some reason. She'll string it out as long as possible but if she doesn't get what she wants ultimately the job will take it's toll. And they have nobody even close to her 'appeal' to take over.
///ajd said:
Are there enough green indyref MSPs to carry more indyref2 action by majority?
AFAIK Harvie has indicated he's not in favour.///ajd said:
The snag is that I suspect they are perhaps even glad they don't quite have a majority. Their next ruse for blaming others will be "ah, we can't make all the changes we need to in Scotland now as we don't have a majority due to the evil proportional representation forced upon us by the evil tories (even though labour brought in devo). etc.".
That will see another 5 years of division. Their campaign will be to play the victim and under-empowered, bleating all the way while secretly happy they don't have to take any risks of actually deviating from UK policy and tax and doing anything at all.
No winning party is going to criticise the system that put them in front but not by as much as they had hoped as it makes them sound wholly undemocratic, and this result tells us is that the opinion poll taken in the lead-up to this election that said 70% of those asked were fed-up with the SNP's grievance agenda had more than a grain of truth in it.That will see another 5 years of division. Their campaign will be to play the victim and under-empowered, bleating all the way while secretly happy they don't have to take any risks of actually deviating from UK policy and tax and doing anything at all.
///ajd said:
They'll probably do easy deals with the greens - let us have the guardian scheme and we'll keep building the windfarms etc. But they won't do a coalition, so they can still say "poke off" when it suits them. Could get interesting. Are there enough green indyref MSPs to carry more indyref2 action by majority?
I honestly believe that Sturgeon does not want another referendum while her party stays ahead in the polls. The SNP have to keep the prospect of one somewhere in the distance though to keep the fish on the hook. The same hopeful pro-indy pundit on BBC Scotland from yesterday morning was today saying that if Nicola Sturgeon manages to deliver on her manifesto promises then this in itself would give her the right to call another referendum, in other words conflating SNP rule with some sort of trial-run Scottish independence as if achieving it would confer the SNP the right to be in government in perpetuity. Desperate stuff from people who are slowly waking up to the realisation that the SNP and Scottish independence are not the same thing.The reactions from Tommy Sheridan and Rev. Stu, and the small shift of indy votes to the Greens is IMO the first signs of the cracks in the indy alliance - they are starting to realise that the SNP value their own personal power over independence.
Edited by r11co on Saturday 7th May 12:38
r11co said:
I honestly believe that Sturgeon does not want another referendum while her party stays ahead in the polls. The SNP have to keep the prospect of one somewhere in the distance though to keep the fish on the hook. The same hopeful pro-indy pundit on BBC Scotland from yesterday morning was today saying that if Nicola Sturgeon manages to deliver on her manifesto promises then this in itself would give her the right to call another referendum, in other words conflating SNP rule with some sort of trial-run Scottish independence as if achieving it would confer the SNP the right to be in government in perpetuity. Desperate stuff from people who are slowly waking up to the realisation that the SNP and Scottish independence are not the same thing.
How long will they be able to keep the fish on the hook before some sort of break away movement gets started?NoNeed said:
How long will they be able to keep the fish on the hook before some sort of break away movement gets started?
As long as it takes. One thing is for sure, human nature dictates that people are impatient. This is why the SNP have to keep talking about 'triggers' which are their equivalent of religious signs of the next coming of a deity. Keep the faith and all that. All well and good, but another realisation the SNP will have had following that result is that they are not operating in a vacuum and there are other parties and other politicians capable of bringing the game to them.r11co said:
The same hopeful pro-indy pundit on BBC Scotland from yesterday morning was today saying that if Nicola Sturgeon manages to deliver on her manifesto promises then this in itself would give her the right to call another referendum, in other words conflating SNP rule with some sort of trial-run Scottish independence as if achieving it would confer the SNP the right to be in government in perpetuity.
Who the fk was that and why are the BBC paying them to spout that sort of ste?The second question is obviously rhetorical- I'm not shooting the messenger but that's an atrocious and desperate position to take up.
technodup said:
ho the fk was that and why are the BBC paying them to spout that sort of ste?
The second question is obviously rhetorical- I'm not shooting the messenger but that's an atrocious and desperate position to take up.
Desperation indeed, however I may not be incorrect [ hows that 'burger?] in saying that BBC Scotland and it's employees are "in fear" of the SNP and it's loyal footsoldiers....remember what they got up to during the referendum coverage??k was that and why are the BBC paying them to spout that sort of ste?The second question is obviously rhetorical- I'm not shooting the messenger but that's an atrocious and desperate position to take up.
Sylvaforever said:
Desperation indeed, however I may not be incorrect [ hows that 'burger?] in saying that BBC Scotland and it's employees are "in fear" of the SNP and it's loyal footsoldiers....remember what they got up to during the referendum coverage??
The constitutional issue is still the hot topic to get the knuckledraggers riled, so I'm inclined to agree that it was a clumsy attempt at the BBC going too far in their attempt to be 'unbiased'.Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff