Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 7
Discussion
NoNeed said:
Lets not forget the chopper among the other political posts.
http://order-order.com/2016/05/23/snp-chopper-not-...
But lets not forget the chopper http://order-order.com/2016/05/23/snp-chopper-not-...
r11co said:
NoNeed said:
It's not about football.
Strictly speaking you are correct - it is about law and order following a football match.Still OT for this thread though.
It's news. In Scotland. Which is what this thread has morphed into.
It's no more off topic than many topics or even other threads in NP&E. You wouldn't suggest a thread about a plane crash is moved into BP&T, would you?
To me it just shows that some people are so blinded by their hatred of something they are unable to see any weaknesses in their own side. Football or politics you choose (or religion to be honest).
To be honest having spent half my life traveling here for work, and the last 5 years living here, my feeling is if you left the average Scotsman in a room on his own for half an hour he would still manage to get into an argument with himself.
To be honest having spent half my life traveling here for work, and the last 5 years living here, my feeling is if you left the average Scotsman in a room on his own for half an hour he would still manage to get into an argument with himself.
NoNeed said:
r11co said:
NoNeed said:
I disagree.
What do you disagree with? That it is a law and order issue or that it is not directly related to the Scottish independence issue?When a section of society (in this case rangers fans) is discrimitated against by a wider section, and that is done with those in official positions looking the other way, you have a real problem. A political problem.
Jeez - you and I are agreeing far too much these days!
technodup said:
Edinburger said:
Och, away and dry your eyes techno!
The better team won on the day. End of.
You appear to have wiped the various assaults of Rangers players/staff from history. Thankfully journalists witnessed them first hand.
A handful of Rangers fans reacted, true. A bigger handful sang a 'naughty' song, true. Tens of thousands of Hibs fans invaded the pitch, goaded opposition fans, some confronted/assaulted players, many caused significant damage. In front of the world. And all because your diddy team won a cup we've won 33 times.
Given your statements about the conduct of Rangers fans prior to the game, the irony is on another level.
And that's what the inquest will surely say.
Hibs will be fined. Rangers will be fined. Stewards and the police will learn lessons.
And we'll all live happily every after.
NoNeed said:
r11co said:
Please guys, start another thread for discussing the Scottish Cup Final 2016 and the aftermath, ideally here?!
It's not about football.Oh and Burger, every man and his dog knows it was Hibs that started the fighting. There is even a petition for wee nippy to go over it LOL.
https://www.change.org/p/nicola-sturgeon-resignati...
Edited by NoNeed on Tuesday 24th May 11:40
I'm signing it because Rangers fans really need Mental Health support and Nicola's efforts have come far too late to help the other signatories on this petition.
I agree with this petition. Also, the brave fans of New Rangers should each receive a knighthood for their prowess in hitting dangerous Hibs fans with corner flags. Also, I am mad.
Whoever started this petition really needs to seek some help because it is fairly obvious you are radio rental.
Megalomania it killed Rangers you know..
LOL
NoNeed said:
r11co said:
NoNeed said:
I disagree.
What do you disagree with? That it is a law and order issue or that it is not directly related to the Scottish independence issue?When a section of society (in this case rangers fans) is discrimitated against by a wider section, and that is done with those in official positions looking the other way, you have a real problem. A political problem.
They weren't!
simoid said:
There's a Scottish football thread for that. Take it there.
But it's a discussion on a news event - not a football matter. It's inappropriate for the football thread.BBC and other news outlets don't put stories about the trouble on their Sports pages.
This thread is now about Scottish news, politics and economics.
End of.
Alpacaman said:
To me it just shows that some people are so blinded by their hatred of something they are unable to see any weaknesses in their own side. Football or politics you choose (or religion to be honest).
To be honest having spent half my life traveling here for work, and the last 5 years living here, my feeling is if you left the average Scotsman in a room on his own for half an hour he would still manage to get into an argument with himself.
You know what, you're absolutely correct.To be honest having spent half my life traveling here for work, and the last 5 years living here, my feeling is if you left the average Scotsman in a room on his own for half an hour he would still manage to get into an argument with himself.
Mankind and the development of society has been blighted by this since before history began,
Different tribes, different football teams, different skin colour, different wealth, different religions, different areas, different countries, different sexes, different everything.
Wouldn't we have been far better off as a species if we weren't so divisive.
Nick Grant said:
Edinburger said:
Wouldn't we have been far better off as a species if we weren't so divisive.
So, stop being part of the problem and be part of the solution. How many people are fighting battles right now because two groups of people believe in different gods, got example?
Edinburger said:
Hibs fans were at fault. Rangers fans were at fault. Stewards were at fault. The police were at fault.
And that's what the inquest will surely say.
I love the way you write it suggests some sort of parity.And that's what the inquest will surely say.
I would suggest that if I walked Argyle St with my cock out and invoked the inevitable reaction you'd change your stance somewhat. I'd have started it.
But then you have more flip flops in your posting history than a Glasgow flight to Benidorm.
Edinburger said:
Alpacaman said:
To me it just shows that some people are so blinded by their hatred of something they are unable to see any weaknesses in their own side. Football or politics you choose (or religion to be honest).
To be honest having spent half my life traveling here for work, and the last 5 years living here, my feeling is if you left the average Scotsman in a room on his own for half an hour he would still manage to get into an argument with himself.
You know what, you're absolutely correct.To be honest having spent half my life traveling here for work, and the last 5 years living here, my feeling is if you left the average Scotsman in a room on his own for half an hour he would still manage to get into an argument with himself.
Mankind and the development of society has been blighted by this since before history began,
Different tribes, different football teams, different skin colour, different wealth, different religions, different areas, different countries, different sexes, different everything.
Wouldn't we have been far better off as a species if we weren't so divisive.
The obvious example for this thread would be the total denial of the yes side in the referendum that there could be any financial dangers to independence. To accept that would be to accept that the hated wastemonster/English could have a point on this and potentially everything else. And the same is true if you hate a football team so much you can't see your team can behave just as badly.
Edinburger said:
But it's a discussion on a news event - not a football matter. It's inappropriate for the football thread.
A news event not related in any way shape or form to the political issue of Scottish independence (except insofar as it conflates two issues because of linked behaviour ie. tribalism, which would be better discussed in a philosophy thread).Edinburger said:
But it's a discussion on a news event - not a football matter. It's inappropriate for the football thread.
BBC and other news outlets don't put stories about the trouble on their Sports pages.
This thread is now about Scottish news, politics and economics.
End of.
Whatever floats your squirrel.BBC and other news outlets don't put stories about the trouble on their Sports pages.
This thread is now about Scottish news, politics and economics.
End of.
I frequent this topic to catch up on some of the Referendum/Independence opinions but the last few days it has been more or less about 4th rate Scottish (Irish) football and the saddo rivalries between the religious divides. But, seeing as we're here and as mentioned earlier by Ricco for the majority of `cognitive impaired` football fans this, more or less decides how they vote and who they vote for.
At my place of work all Celtic fans voted Yes for independence irrespective of the arguments presented and some even alluded to sympathy with Eire. I can only imagine inculcation from years of poisoning has got these individuals where they are. Some of the Rangers supporters voted No simply because of some faux allegiance to the Queen. These balloon heads make up a huge percentage of the voting public. Makes you wonder if there's a better system.
At my place of work all Celtic fans voted Yes for independence irrespective of the arguments presented and some even alluded to sympathy with Eire. I can only imagine inculcation from years of poisoning has got these individuals where they are. Some of the Rangers supporters voted No simply because of some faux allegiance to the Queen. These balloon heads make up a huge percentage of the voting public. Makes you wonder if there's a better system.
Edinburger said:
Exceptionalist nonsense.
Nanook said:
If you're intent on ruining this thread with s
t football chat, can it at least make sense?
All the Rangers fans that go every week are glory hunters.
All the Hibs fans that show up for the one game where they have a shot at winning something, then invade the pitch, rip it up, and tear down the goalposts are not, they are good fans?
Can you please all take this pish to the football forum? Scottish football is crap anyway.
Scottish football fans as a group apparently cannot help themselves and have no self control, therefore should be excused punishment? There have been some interesting and thoughtful things written about the scenes at Hampden in the dead tree press and on some blogs but they're probably for naught as a minority of scumbags are quite happy to sod it up for the folk who were happy to enjoy the spectacle from the stands. There was a policing failure but it took the scumbags to make it into a riot. Hopefully there's footage of each and every one and they can be punished accordingly.t football chat, can it at least make sense?All the Rangers fans that go every week are glory hunters.
All the Hibs fans that show up for the one game where they have a shot at winning something, then invade the pitch, rip it up, and tear down the goalposts are not, they are good fans?
Can you please all take this pish to the football forum? Scottish football is crap anyway.
Edinburger said:
Why on earth do you think Rangers fans were discriminated against by a wider section?
They weren't!
It appears and I use the word appears as I can only go on what others claim but it has become fashionable to have a go at Rangers just as it has to have a go at Tories.They weren't!
Two groups you can openly slag off without much fear of being corrected.
Me I know the history of Rangers and Celtic and to me they are ad bad as each other, but reading anything from scottish officials nowadays would make you the that it's just Rangers that have the problem.
Ob yeah, and it does look like we could be mates soon LOL
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