Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 7

[NoNeed]

NoNeed said:

NoNeed said:

Lets not forget the chopper among the other political posts.

http://order-order.com/2016/05/23/snp-chopper-not-...

But lets not forget the chopper

I posted this link 3 times alongside my football post replies and the only thing people replied to was the fiotball posts and they did that because they don't want to discuss football.

go figure.

[Troubleatmill]

Since the thread had been thrown into the gutter of sectarian hatred.....

I think we should ask the mods to change the title of the thread.

[NoNeed]

Troubleatmill said:

Since the thread had been thrown into the gutter of sectarian hatred.....

I think we should ask the mods to change the title of the thread.

It hasn't been a referendum theead for some time and has been more about Scottish politics in general. Something my new mate Burger has pointed out many times.

[Axionknight]

Time for a do over.

The SNP eh?

aholes.

[Troubleatmill]

NoNeed said:

Troubleatmill said:

Since the thread had been thrown into the gutter of sectarian hatred.....

I think we should ask the mods to change the title of the thread.

It hasn't been a referendum theead for some time and has been more about Scottish politics in general.

Hasn't Auntie Nicola been bleating on about a second referendum in the last few days?

And recently the topics have been about how well the current government is performing ( and blaming Westminster )


And then we get sectarian bigotry of the worst order

Want to talk about shyte football.. Start a thread about it.

I haven;t asked on this thread about "What spoon to buy?" "Where do I hammer frozen sausages?" " What car?"

This thread is comfortably about... Referendum/ Independence - Current Scottish Govt lot doing a good job ( or not ) - and threatening independence.


If you want to kill a thread - you are going a good way about it.

[NoNeed]

Troubleatmill said:

Want to talk about shyte football..

I don't and haven't.

[simoid]

As Eric says...

[r11co]

Troubleatmill said:

If you want to kill a thread - you are going a good way about it.

[Edinburger]

This is interesting - an ICM poll for Scotland On Sunday (that's a newspaper) showed that 48% of Scots are against a post-Brexit vote on independence and 44% are for it. 8% said they don't know.

[simoid]

Edinburger said:

This is interesting - an ICM poll for Scotland On Sunday (that's a newspaper) showed that 48% of Scots are against a post-Brexit vote on independence and 44% are for it. 8% said they don't know.

Any insightful analysis for us? Personal view, beyond confusion?

[technodup]

In what way is that interesting?

It's getting boring now. Between the referendum, the GE, the diddy elections and now the EU referendum all we've had for years is campaigning and votes. And now Jimmy Krankie wants to start it all over again.

While the SNP and Tories are distracted with campaigns, nothing is being done (although in some ways that's probably a blessing). I think we need a period of stability, preferably the 'generation' we were promised.

The rabid Yessers might relish another run but I suspect the floaters will have election fatigue. Give us all a break.

[glazbagun]

bigkeeko said:

These balloon heads make up a huge percentage of the voting public. Makes you wonder if there's a better system.

Combined with the SNP talking out of both sides of their mouth, it was the main decider for my No vote. Economic apocalypse, in/out of the EU, left or right wing vision, I could still have been persuaded.

The BBC protests and the thought of handing a country of five million over to the voters where you have a hundred tribalist fktards produced for every Iain Banks or Adam Smith struck me as a dystopia worse than any single economic policy. I think we got off lightly with a neverendum and perpetual SNP parasitism.

[Rick_1138]

The fatigue is real, especially up here in scotland.

The scary thing is, if the SNP were able to push through Indy2, the voter apathy may actually see a lower turnout in no voters, and the core yes votes would still turn out in droves, getting a majority and scottish independance at about 40% turnout and 28% in favour, so a tiny minority deciding the majority of scotland, i cant see that going well.

[Wombat3]

Edinburger said:

This is interesting - an ICM poll for Scotland On Sunday (that's a newspaper) showed that 48% of Scots are against a post-Brexit vote on independence and 44% are for it. 8% said they don't know.

...and the last time the polls in this country predicted anything with any degree of accuracy was....????

(longer ago than I can remember)

[Big Rod]

Rick_1138 said:

The fatigue is real, especially up here in scotland.

The scary thing is, if the SNP were able to push through Indy2, the voter apathy may actually see a lower turnout in no voters, and the core yes votes would still turn out in droves, getting a majority and scottish independance at about 40% turnout and 28% in favour, so a tiny minority deciding the majority of scotland, i cant see that going well.

I have no evidence to back this up but I suspect those that'd be inclined to vote against independence are those who are quite mobile and flexible from a lifestyle or professional perspective and know they have some sort of 'out' should the vote be in favour of isolation.

[r11co]

glazbagun said:

the thought of handing a country of five million over to the voters where you have a hundred tribalist fktards produced for every Iain Banks or Adam Smith struck me as a dystopia worse than any single economic policy.

Brilliantly put!

[simoid]

Big Rod said:

I have no evidence to back this up but I suspect those that'd be inclined to vote against independence are those who are quite mobile and flexible from a lifestyle or professional perspective and know they have some sort of 'out' should the vote be in favour of isolation.

If I recall correctly manual workers were more likely to be Yes, and management were more likely to be No. I'm sure we discussed/linked on a previous thread.

Interestingly, this poll reckons a narrow majority of higher rate taxpayers voted yes, under £20k earners voted yes, but most average earners voted no: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west...

Plenty intriguing stats from their study of 5,000 after the referendum.

[simoid]

r11co said:

glazbagun said:

the thought of handing a country of five million over to the voters where you have a hundred tribalist fktards produced for every Iain Banks or Adam Smith struck me as a dystopia worse than any single economic policy.

Brilliantly put!

Well, apart from the fact there's only 1 Adam Smith and there's thousands upon thousands of SNP members

[simoid]

"According to Ipsos MORI (from whose last two polls the relevant information is uniquely available), no less than 65% of those living in one of the 20% most deprived neighbourhoods in Scotland voted Yes, compared with just 36% of those in the one-fifth most affluent."

http://blog.whatscotlandthinks.org/2014/09/voted-y...

[Nick Grant]

simoid said:

"According to Ipsos MORI (from whose last two polls the relevant information is uniquely available), no less than 65% of those living in one of the 20% most deprived neighbourhoods in Scotland voted Yes, compared with just 36% of those in the one-fifth most affluent."

http://blog.whatscotlandthinks.org/2014/09/voted-y...

So how does that incentivise the SNP to make Scotland better? The more deprevation the more support for independence. It explains much of the lack of action from the SNP.

Edited by Nick Grant on Wednesday 25th May 12:31