Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 7
Discussion
Welshbeef said:
Hopefully there is a proper joined up transport plan be it road rail tram monorail not just a why not.
I hope this pays off as its rUKs cash that has been invested in it - however I've read that it seems it's taken custom away from buses and routes or frequencies have been cut. It might be good if roads are congested but I doubt that very much in the expanse of Scotland so your looking at more isolation for older people who used the handy bus but cannot get to the train.
Actually the south & southest Edinburgh are highly congested. The A7 corridor (where the train runs) is a sI hope this pays off as its rUKs cash that has been invested in it - however I've read that it seems it's taken custom away from buses and routes or frequencies have been cut. It might be good if roads are congested but I doubt that very much in the expanse of Scotland so your looking at more isolation for older people who used the handy bus but cannot get to the train.
temare any time around 5pm. Probably quicker to cycle or even jog in many cases. If it takes some traffic away from the road then hurrah. If it just takes bums of bus seats then we've fked it.As an aside, I'm finding the roads around the city bypass particularly busy these days, and at earlier times in the morning too. Christ knows how much CO2 emissions we could cut down on if the
s just built a railway to the airport a few years ago.simoid said:
As an aside, I'm finding the roads around the city bypass particularly busy these days, and at earlier times in the morning too. Christ knows how much CO2 emissions we could cut down on if the s just built a railway to the airport a few years ago.
Of all the things the SNP have done, it's this which baffles me the most. Getting to EDI by public transport from Fife is a real slog, yet the runway is within touching distance of the railway line!s just built a railway to the airport a few years ago.I can't think of a more obviously beneficial public transport improvement or a reason for stopping it unless it was made from Edinburgh Tram or Brian Souter would lose out.
glazbagun said:
Of all the things the SNP have done, it's this which baffles me the most. Getting to EDI by public transport from Fife is a real slog, yet the runway is within touching distance of the railway line!
I can't think of a more obviously beneficial public transport improvement or a reason for stopping it unless it was made from Edinburgh Tram or Brian Souter would lose out.
It does seem bonkers - are factors such as network capacity and having yet another stop on already busy lines the reasons? - always wondered. I see they are eventually now putting a station at Inverness airport which is similarly close to a main rail line.I can't think of a more obviously beneficial public transport improvement or a reason for stopping it unless it was made from Edinburgh Tram or Brian Souter would lose out.
While the bus routes are generally good in Edinburgh, it does my head in that I can get from an office in central Edinburgh to the middle of Glasgow by train in the same time as it takes me to get to Dalkeith by bus at rush hour.
s2kjock said:
glazbagun said:
Of all the things the SNP have done, it's this which baffles me the most. Getting to EDI by public transport from Fife is a real slog, yet the runway is within touching distance of the railway line!
I can't think of a more obviously beneficial public transport improvement or a reason for stopping it unless it was made from Edinburgh Tram or Brian Souter would lose out.
It does seem bonkers - are factors such as network capacity and having yet another stop on already busy lines the reasons? - always wondered. I see they are eventually now putting a station at Inverness airport which is similarly close to a main rail line.I can't think of a more obviously beneficial public transport improvement or a reason for stopping it unless it was made from Edinburgh Tram or Brian Souter would lose out.
While the bus routes are generally good in Edinburgh, it does my head in that I can get from an office in central Edinburgh to the middle of Glasgow by train in the same time as it takes me to get to Dalkeith by bus at rush hour.
Sylvaforever said:
s2kjock said:
glazbagun said:
Of all the things the SNP have done, it's this which baffles me the most. Getting to EDI by public transport from Fife is a real slog, yet the runway is within touching distance of the railway line!
I can't think of a more obviously beneficial public transport improvement or a reason for stopping it unless it was made from Edinburgh Tram or Brian Souter would lose out.
It does seem bonkers - are factors such as network capacity and having yet another stop on already busy lines the reasons? - always wondered. I see they are eventually now putting a station at Inverness airport which is similarly close to a main rail line.I can't think of a more obviously beneficial public transport improvement or a reason for stopping it unless it was made from Edinburgh Tram or Brian Souter would lose out.
While the bus routes are generally good in Edinburgh, it does my head in that I can get from an office in central Edinburgh to the middle of Glasgow by train in the same time as it takes me to get to Dalkeith by bus at rush hour.
NoNeed said:
much as I dislike the SNP (they are as racist as UKIP members often appear to be they just hide it with words like Tory and Freedom). They are not the cause of Liam Fee's death nor are the local council.No let's be clear those responsible are the two sick
s who beat the poor mite to death> I only hope they end up in a prison where they are well known an subsequently have similar treatment dished out to them...wrong I know but I dont care they beat a child to death I hope the suffer for years are forgotten about an die.Oh an a neighbour claims ot have called local authorities so if there is a fault it is with how that information was handled.
Gecko1978 said:
NoNeed said:
much as I dislike the SNP (they are as racist as UKIP members often appear to be they just hide it with words like Tory and Freedom). They are not the cause of Liam Fee's death nor are the local council.No let's be clear those responsible are the two sick
s who beat the poor mite to death> I only hope they end up in a prison where they are well known an subsequently have similar treatment dished out to them...wrong I know but I dont care they beat a child to death I hope the suffer for years are forgotten about an die.Oh an a neighbour claims ot have called local authorities so if there is a fault it is with how that information was handled.
NoNeed said:
Sylvaforever said:
s2kjock said:
glazbagun said:
Of all the things the SNP have done, it's this which baffles me the most. Getting to EDI by public transport from Fife is a real slog, yet the runway is within touching distance of the railway line!
I can't think of a more obviously beneficial public transport improvement or a reason for stopping it unless it was made from Edinburgh Tram or Brian Souter would lose out.
It does seem bonkers - are factors such as network capacity and having yet another stop on already busy lines the reasons? - always wondered. I see they are eventually now putting a station at Inverness airport which is similarly close to a main rail line.I can't think of a more obviously beneficial public transport improvement or a reason for stopping it unless it was made from Edinburgh Tram or Brian Souter would lose out.
While the bus routes are generally good in Edinburgh, it does my head in that I can get from an office in central Edinburgh to the middle of Glasgow by train in the same time as it takes me to get to Dalkeith by bus at rush hour.
I've thought before that it must be frustrating too because the train passes the runway but next stop will be Haymarket, so this new station will make a difference to those people.
Edited by Edinburger on Saturday 4th June 14:48
Gecko1978 said:
NoNeed said:
much as I dislike the SNP (they are as racist as UKIP members often appear to be they just hide it with words like Tory and Freedom). They are not the cause of Liam Fee's death nor are the local council.No let's be clear those responsible are the two sick
s who beat the poor mite to death> I only hope they end up in a prison where they are well known an subsequently have similar treatment dished out to them...wrong I know but I dont care they beat a child to death I hope the suffer for years are forgotten about an die.Oh an a neighbour claims ot have called local authorities so if there is a fault it is with how that information was handled.
Edinburger said:
Gecko1978 said:
NoNeed said:
much as I dislike the SNP (they are as racist as UKIP members often appear to be they just hide it with words like Tory and Freedom). They are not the cause of Liam Fee's death nor are the local council.No let's be clear those responsible are the two sick
s who beat the poor mite to death> I only hope they end up in a prison where they are well known an subsequently have similar treatment dished out to them...wrong I know but I dont care they beat a child to death I hope the suffer for years are forgotten about an die.Oh an a neighbour claims ot have called local authorities so if there is a fault it is with how that information was handled.
Would a named person have solved this...I suspect not things will still happen like this as the perpatrators lie and scheme to cover there abuses.
Out of interest do we have a sentence on this yet an in Scotland who decides on a whole life term the courts or government minister ?
I'm dead against this idea or reasons of unnecessary state interference and the responsibility of parents, schools and other agencies to do their jobs.
But thinking from the other side, who'd be a named person? If something goes wrong 'on their watch' they'll be vilified. Publicly, if the logic follows. Who knows what social and employment issues they'll face thereafter. Do teachers, social workers or whoever have a choice? Are they compelled into doing it? Who looks out for their interests in the event (as there will be) that a child dies? Who would volunteer for this? Is it paid?
It's a fking mess of an idea. I wouldn't do it for all the tea in China.
But thinking from the other side, who'd be a named person? If something goes wrong 'on their watch' they'll be vilified. Publicly, if the logic follows. Who knows what social and employment issues they'll face thereafter. Do teachers, social workers or whoever have a choice? Are they compelled into doing it? Who looks out for their interests in the event (as there will be) that a child dies? Who would volunteer for this? Is it paid?
It's a f
king mess of an idea. I wouldn't do it for all the tea in China. technodup said:
I'm dead against this idea or reasons of unnecessary state interference and the responsibility of parents, schools and other agencies to do their jobs.
But thinking from the other side, who'd be a named person? If something goes wrong 'on their watch' they'll be vilified. Publicly, if the logic follows. Who knows what social and employment issues they'll face thereafter. Do teachers, social workers or whoever have a choice? Are they compelled into doing it? Who looks out for their interests in the event (as there will be) that a child dies? Who would volunteer for this? Is it paid?
It's a fking mess of an idea. I wouldn't do it for all the tea in China.
Of course it's a dumb idea. Great in theory but in practice a disaster as a significant proportion of Named Persons will cover their backsides by reporting any minor thing 'to be on the safe side'. This will lead to a huge increase in reports, overload of the Social Services who will not be able to sort the wheat from the chaff / see the wood for the trees and things will get worse not better. Utterly, utterly brainless approach.But thinking from the other side, who'd be a named person? If something goes wrong 'on their watch' they'll be vilified. Publicly, if the logic follows. Who knows what social and employment issues they'll face thereafter. Do teachers, social workers or whoever have a choice? Are they compelled into doing it? Who looks out for their interests in the event (as there will be) that a child dies? Who would volunteer for this? Is it paid?
It's a f
king mess of an idea. I wouldn't do it for all the tea in China. technodup said:
simoid said:
Edinburger said:
The social authorities have questions to answer, but not the Government.
Don't the government create the environment in which the social authorities operate?I was at a family gathering in Edinburgh yesterday and was asked if I'd be sending my kids to university in Scotland? My immediate response was why would I do that as I didn't fancy paying for Scottish fees twice. Childish, maybe, but as Scot living in England the whole fees thing gets on my tits.
Within seconds I was told that the free education for anybody in the the EU (bar the English) was the fault of the EU not the Nats and that I was "anti-Scottish" for even thinking something like that. Seems like debate is not really encouraged north of the border........to put it mildly.
Whilst treading across the landmine of opposing opinions I asked why Scotland should always be the beneficiary of extra tax and special concessions as opposed to, say, Tower Hamlets, North Yorkshire or Humberside. It quickly became obvious that my Nat family members beleive that (a) Scotland is a net benficiary of taxes (!) (b) everyone in London is a bllionaire or lives close enough to one to be be able to siphon off vast amounts of personal wealth (c) this is all ultimately all about "Scotland vs London". Presumably had it been an evening gathering rather that daytime and had there been more booze/fewer kids we'd have soon been on to (d) f**ing Wesminster Tories"......
I haven't heard such simplistic paint-by-numbers politics since the hey day of the SWP in the late 80's.
Luckily my family hasn't been split but this issue as, unlike many others, as we were able to pull back from a full blown argument. Inches away from it though.
What is it with Nats? You're simply not allowed to have another opinion especially, it seems, if you are Scottish.
FFS I'll do my own thinking, thank you very much.
Within seconds I was told that the free education for anybody in the the EU (bar the English) was the fault of the EU not the Nats and that I was "anti-Scottish" for even thinking something like that. Seems like debate is not really encouraged north of the border........to put it mildly.
Whilst treading across the landmine of opposing opinions I asked why Scotland should always be the beneficiary of extra tax and special concessions as opposed to, say, Tower Hamlets, North Yorkshire or Humberside. It quickly became obvious that my Nat family members beleive that (a) Scotland is a net benficiary of taxes (!) (b) everyone in London is a bllionaire or lives close enough to one to be be able to siphon off vast amounts of personal wealth (c) this is all ultimately all about "Scotland vs London". Presumably had it been an evening gathering rather that daytime and had there been more booze/fewer kids we'd have soon been on to (d) f**ing Wesminster Tories"......
I haven't heard such simplistic paint-by-numbers politics since the hey day of the SWP in the late 80's.
Luckily my family hasn't been split but this issue as, unlike many others, as we were able to pull back from a full blown argument. Inches away from it though.
What is it with Nats? You're simply not allowed to have another opinion especially, it seems, if you are Scottish.
FFS I'll do my own thinking, thank you very much.
Edited by AC43 on Sunday 5th June 11:09
Troubleatmill said:
Stop being a sodding moaning minnie... `Let Edinburger defend the indefensible. It is generally quite fun to watch. In other cases - such as this one tragic,
I'm not suggesting they're at fault - but to rule out mistakes on their part and claim they "have no questions to answer" is worrying.Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff