Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 7

[technodup]

Edinburger said:

Who saw this coming?!

Gibraltar in talks with Scotland to stay in EU

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendu...

The Spanish are going to love her. Trying to keep Gibraltar away from them but stay in the EU and at the same time setting a precedent for Catalunya to do the same to Spain?

When you're trying to team up with Gibraltar it's all sounding a little desperate.

[lostkiwi]

HD Adam said:

Edinburger said:

Who saw this coming?!

Gibraltar in talks with Scotland to stay in EU

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendu...

Neither Gibraltar or Scotland are in the EU. The UK, of which both places wanted to stay when last asked, is in the EU.

The UK is leaving.

Its not that dissimilar. From the EU perspective they could choose to see it as England and Wales being expelled from the Union....
That would make the precedent fit.

[Edinburger]

contango said:

'Burger, good to see your at least consistent with your trolling!

Welcome to the thread and to that bandwagon.

[Leithen]

Can someone check some figures for me? Cost of the Scottish element of Barnett Formula to UK?

[confused_buyer]

Edinburger said:

Who saw this coming?!

Gibraltar in talks with Scotland to stay in EU

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendu...

Hilarious. On the day it looks as if Spain is about to get a PP led coalition Government Sturgeon goes talking to Gibraltar!

They'll love that in the PP. There's you're EU idea up the spout from Day 1.

That says Sturgeon has already bottled it on another referendum and is just going to play politics for the next few months.

Has she ever Googled "Gibraltar, Partido Popular"?

[Nuclear Biscuit]

Edinburger said:

Settled? The 3,311,965 people who have signed the petition think otherwise! That's the petition for the Government to implement a rule that if the remain or leave vote is less than 60% based a turnout less than 75% there should be another referendum.

Too close to be decisive? Not sure how I feel about that.

Presumably this would also apply to any subsequent independence referendum?

[andy_s]

confused_buyer said:

Hilarious. On the day it looks as if Spain is about to get a PP led coalition Government Sturgeon goes talking to Gibraltar!

They'll love that in the PP. There's you're EU idea up the spout from Day 1.

That says Sturgeon has already bottled it on another referendum and is just going to play politics for the next few months.

Has she ever Googled "Gibraltar, Partido Popular"?

You couldn't make it up what a showboatwoman, and we give power to these people, sheesh...

[simoid]

Leithen said:

Can someone check some figures for me? Cost of the Scottish element of Barnett Formula to UK?

Somewhere between 3 and 5 EU memberships I'd imagine.

[simoid]

confused_buyer said:

Edinburger said:

Who saw this coming?!

Gibraltar in talks with Scotland to stay in EU

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendu...

Hilarious. On the day it looks as if Spain is about to get a PP led coalition Government Sturgeon goes talking to Gibraltar!

They'll love that in the PP. There's you're EU idea up the spout from Day 1.

That says Sturgeon has already bottled it on another referendum and is just going to play politics for the next few months.

Has she ever Googled "Gibraltar, Partido Popular"?

Could be amicably heading towards the exit, but decides to st on the carpet and kick the dog on the way.

[mjb1]

According to something I saw on Facebook earlier (so it could be bks), proportionally more SNP voters voted leave in the EU referendum than any other party's voters! 29% of SNP voters choose leave, second were Conservatives with 27% voting leave.

If those stats are right, that isn't going to help the SNP at all.

[simoid]

Brexit leads to increase in racism; Englexit from Euros leads to much anti-English sentiment on my news feed. Funny old game.

[StescoG66]

I await a flaming, but as an original YES voter and a recent leave voter, can we now please just drop any further referenda. IndyRef is now really a non starter, after all what good will being any smaller and even more fragmented be?
What intrigues me is that as soon as one party don't like the result of something they seem to cry foul and ask for a re-run...... what a bizarre mentality. We live in a democracy, and the majority wins, no matter how slender the victory. Simple. We voted No, I accept that wholeheartedly and get on with my life as before. We have now voted leave so presumably......... Do we replay sporting events when we don't like the results? No. Do we get a retry in life when something doesn't go to plan? No. Stuff happens, lets deal with it instead of whinging...... FWIW IndyRef2 is a bad, bad idea now

[Axionknight]

Nuclear Biscuit said:

Edinburger said:

Settled? The 3,311,965 people who have signed the petition think otherwise! That's the petition for the Government to implement a rule that if the remain or leave vote is less than 60% based a turnout less than 75% there should be another referendum.

Too close to be decisive? Not sure how I feel about that.

Presumably this would also apply to any subsequent independence referendum?

Don't be silly!

Plus there have been questions raised regarding the veracity of the people and their location signing that online poll so using it as a stick to try and beat people with isn't going to work Edinburger.

[Patrick Bateman]

Of course they think otherwise, they didn't get their way. There was plenty of time for issues regarding percentages to be raised.

If the vote was reversed, any leave voters going on about this would rightly be told to suck it up.

[confused_buyer]

mjb1 said:

According to something I saw on Facebook earlier (so it could be bks), proportionally more SNP voters voted leave in the EU referendum than any other party's voters! 29% of SNP voters choose leave, second were Conservatives with 27% voting leave.

If those stats are right, that isn't going to help the SNP at all.

As the Labour party are finding out, pesky voters are very annoying in that sometimes they have the audacity to actually have their own opinion and not just automatically agree with the party line.

I wouldn't be surprised at those figures as the SNP was, for many years, very anti-EU and some of it's long standing supporters haven't changed their opinion.

I'm not sure the SNP really know why they are so pro-Europe. I think it is primarily because they think it annoys Tories rather than any particular conviction.

[simoid]

confused_buyer said:

mjb1 said:

According to something I saw on Facebook earlier (so it could be bks), proportionally more SNP voters voted leave in the EU referendum than any other party's voters! 29% of SNP voters choose leave, second were Conservatives with 27% voting leave.

If those stats are right, that isn't going to help the SNP at all.

As the Labour party are finding out, pesky voters are very annoying in that sometimes they have the audacity to actually have their own opinion and not just automatically agree with the party line.

I wouldn't be surprised at those figures as the SNP was, for many years, very anti-EU and some of it's long standing supporters haven't changed their opinion.

I'm not sure the SNP really know why they are so pro-Europe. I think it is primarily because they think it annoys Tories rather than any particular conviction.

Lord Ashcroft poll I saw suggested around 2/3 labour and SNP voters were remain IIRC.

Eta:

Edited by simoid on Tuesday 28th June 09:19

[confused_buyer]

simoid said:

Lord Ashcroft poll I saw suggested around 2/3 labour and SNP voters were remain IIRC.

Edited by simoid on Tuesday 28th June 09:19

Blimey, 36% of SNP voters voting out is way higher than I'd imagined. If you look at the abject panic Labour have got into over a similar amount of their voters voting "wrong" and their campaign lambasted as useless if those figures are remotely correct then I'm surprised Sturgeon hasn't had some awkward questions from within the SNP by now.

The truth is that had SNP voters (a) turned out in larger numbers and (b) all voted for Remain we'd probably be staying.

[s2kjock]

confused_buyer said:

I'm not sure the SNP really know why they are so pro-Europe. I think it is primarily because they think it annoys Tories rather than any particular conviction.

Presumably it is the belief that as one of the EU's smallest members with social deprivation in the central belt and rural isolation elsewhere, an independent Scotland would derive a material net benefit from EU investment in the form of grants and subsidies.

Or it may be just that being on the geographical fringes of Europe we will get lonely if we fall out with the English.

[r11co]

mjb1 said:

According to something I saw on Facebook earlier (so it could be bks), proportionally more SNP voters voted leave in the EU referendum than any other party's voters! 29% of SNP voters choose leave, second were Conservatives with 27% voting leave.

If those stats are right, that isn't going to help the SNP at all.

The stats are accurate, but to be expected when (a) many SNP supporters are driven by xenophobia and (b) Sturgeon previously said that Brexit would be a trigger for a second indyref. IMO the current situation is very much of the SNP's making - the threat of a Labour/SNP coalition following the last GE is what got us into this mess.

[Sylvaforever]

Krankie to be hotfooting it to Brusseles she's gointg o through Scotlands future to the wolves of the EU you watch.

Eh where did it say does Scotland's ballot????

Edited by Sylvaforever on Tuesday 28th June 14:08