Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 7
Discussion
http://stv.tv/news/politics/1356162-snp-supporters...
Could this be the issue that starts a lot of infighting in the SNP, or will they tow the party line so much so that they stick together?
It's so odd that the two sides have swapped on effective the same issue in the 2 referendums and so the same arguments are just reversed. At least it saves a bit of time having to make up your own points or spend time thinking of a counter argument.
Could this be the issue that starts a lot of infighting in the SNP, or will they tow the party line so much so that they stick together?
It's so odd that the two sides have swapped on effective the same issue in the 2 referendums and so the same arguments are just reversed. At least it saves a bit of time having to make up your own points or spend time thinking of a counter argument.
NRS said:
http://stv.tv/news/politics/1356162-snp-supporters...
Could this be the issue that starts a lot of infighting in the SNP, or will they tow the party line so much so that they stick together?
It's so odd that the two sides have swapped on effective the same issue in the 2 referendums and so the same arguments are just reversed. At least it saves a bit of time having to make up your own points or spend time thinking of a counter argument.
Could this be the issue that starts a lot of infighting in the SNP, or will they tow the party line so much so that they stick together?
It's so odd that the two sides have swapped on effective the same issue in the 2 referendums and so the same arguments are just reversed. At least it saves a bit of time having to make up your own points or spend time thinking of a counter argument.
Penny dropping.
NoNeed said:
Just spotted this on Facebook.
The words used by the BBC were 'Donald Tusk politely turned down her offer of a meeting.'I bet he really said 'f
k this, tell the crankie bh I'm dead or something'.I sincerely hope somebody has footage of her being told to sling her hook.
And I can't wait to hear what her next Looney tune declaration will be.
NRS said:
http://stv.tv/news/politics/1356162-snp-supporters...
Could this be the issue that starts a lot of infighting in the SNP, or will they tow the party line so much so that they stick together?
It's so odd that the two sides have swapped on effective the same issue in the 2 referendums and so the same arguments are just reversed. At least it saves a bit of time having to make up your own points or spend time thinking of a counter argument.
Nope - the infighting will start when the idiots who want a second referendum come what may will clash with those in the party who realise it's pointless, and counterproductive, for them to hold another referendum until the opinion polls consistently show that more than 55%-60% want independence (and that will never happen anytime soon - sure the odd poll may show a big lead now post the EU vote but give it a few weeks and things will settle down).Could this be the issue that starts a lot of infighting in the SNP, or will they tow the party line so much so that they stick together?
It's so odd that the two sides have swapped on effective the same issue in the 2 referendums and so the same arguments are just reversed. At least it saves a bit of time having to make up your own points or spend time thinking of a counter argument.
BlackLabel said:
Nope - the infighting will start when the idiots who want a second referendum come what may will clash with those in the party who realise it's pointless, and counterproductive, for them to hold another referendum until the opinion polls consistently show that more than 55%-60% want independence (and that will never happen anytime soon - sure the odd poll may show a big lead now post the EU vote but give it a few weeks and things will settle down).
There has only been one poll so far - from Populus. Their final poll on June 22 said Remain would win 55-45.You'd have to be a brave politician who risked their career just on polls.
Cobnapint said:
The words used by the BBC were 'Donald Tusk politely turned down her offer of a meeting.'
I bet he really said 'fk this, tell the crankie bh I'm dead or something'.
Tusk will be acting with reference to European leaders. Remember he is President of the Council which is Merkel, Hollande etc. so it is a sign that individual countries don't want to play with Sturgeon at the moment. Tusk is about the only one smelling any coffee out of the 3 EU presidents.I bet he really said 'f
k this, tell the crankie bh I'm dead or something'.Schultz is a bit of an idiot and Juncker is a total idiot. Juncker believes he runs Europe and voters are fools and should be ignored (he's actually said this - several times) and is in a power struggle with the Council. The good news is that he doesn't influence late night meeting as by all accounts he is pissed by 7.00pm most days.
Poland and Czech Republic have already said Juncker should be sacked. Hopefully a few more may pressure him to go.
BlackLabel said:
NRS said:
http://stv.tv/news/politics/1356162-snp-supporters...
Could this be the issue that starts a lot of infighting in the SNP, or will they tow the party line so much so that they stick together?
It's so odd that the two sides have swapped on effective the same issue in the 2 referendums and so the same arguments are just reversed. At least it saves a bit of time having to make up your own points or spend time thinking of a counter argument.
Nope - the infighting will start when the idiots who want a second referendum come what may will clash with those in the party who realise it's pointless, and counterproductive, for them to hold another referendum until the opinion polls consistently show that more than 55%-60% want independence (and that will never happen anytime soon - sure the odd poll may show a big lead now post the EU vote but give it a few weeks and things will settle down).Could this be the issue that starts a lot of infighting in the SNP, or will they tow the party line so much so that they stick together?
It's so odd that the two sides have swapped on effective the same issue in the 2 referendums and so the same arguments are just reversed. At least it saves a bit of time having to make up your own points or spend time thinking of a counter argument.
Cobnapint said:
NoNeed said:
Just spotted this on Facebook.
The words used by the BBC were 'Donald Tusk politely turned down her offer of a meeting.'I bet he really said 'f
k this, tell the crankie bh I'm dead or something'.I sincerely hope somebody has footage of her being told to sling her hook.
And I can't wait to hear what her next Looney tune declaration will be.
Axionknight said:
On a lighter note Angus Robinson has the backing of 14 more MPs than Jeremy Corbyn does these days 
...and will call today for the SNP to be declared the official opposition at Westminster, for this reason (I kid you not).Utterly contemptible - the British People elect the opposition in a General Election.
The SNP really do play to their idiot audience. You would think they have seriously overplayed their hand, but the SNats lap this s
t up and call it 'leadership'.r11co said:
Utterly contemptible - the British People elect the opposition in a General Election.
No. They elect their constituency representatives from a limited number of candidates. Some of those candidates belong to corrupting entities known as parties who have persuaded the herd to vote in a popularity contest instead of considering the issues that matter to them.
The number in each of those parties decides which one is going to play at running things and which are going to oppose.
The parties overrule the will of the local electors through the whip system.
marshalla said:
No. They elect their constituency representatives from a limited number of candidates.
Some of those candidates belong to corrupting entities known as parties who have persuaded the herd to vote in a popularity contest instead of considering the issues that matter to them.
The number in each of those parties decides which one is going to play at running things and which are going to oppose.
The parties overrule the will of the local electors through the whip system.
I know how the system works, your hyperbole doesn't change anything. Angus Robertson's call today will still be non-democratic bullcrap, seeking to subvert our electoral system (regardless of its potential flaws).Some of those candidates belong to corrupting entities known as parties who have persuaded the herd to vote in a popularity contest instead of considering the issues that matter to them.
The number in each of those parties decides which one is going to play at running things and which are going to oppose.
The parties overrule the will of the local electors through the whip system.
Edited by r11co on Wednesday 29th June 08:49
confused_buyer said:
In the case of the SNP making a bid for Opposition, to be fair, I can kind of see where they're coming from.
It is cheeky and probably won't work but they've got a point.
A bit of posturing is never going to hurt them where it matters the most - their core support here in Scotland, after all. It is cheeky and probably won't work but they've got a point.
confused_buyer said:
It is cheeky and probably won't work but they've got a point.
They just don't though, and it demonstrates blatant ignorance and/or opportunism. Each MP is elected by their constituency and ultimately has the mandate of their own share of the electorate. Party politics and leadership crises are a separate issue. If the SNP want to legitimise their stance then call for another General Election and see if they stack up as the second biggest block once the numbers are in.Axionknight said:
A bit of posturing is never going to hurt them where it matters the most - their core support here in Scotland, after all.
As I said - their idiot support think their rhetoric is credible. The fact that they can string this act out for so long speaks volumes about their support.Edited by r11co on Wednesday 29th June 08:58
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