Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 7

[Axionknight]

Couldn't agree more. A Yesser friend of mine is adament that iScotland is ready to roll and would face no barriers in terms of EU entry.

[shakotan]

barryrs said:

Who's the guy in the photo?

Jimmy Krankie?

[r11co]

Axionknight said:

Couldn't agree more. A Yesser friend of mine is adament that iScotland is ready to roll and would face no barriers in terms of EU entry.

The end-game of this is of course when the formal process of a (not yet independent) Scotland applies to join and the conditions for entry are laid bare. Stugeon 'tea will be oot' when that happens.

Is Sturgeon gambling on that eventuality never happening, or does she genuinely believe that iScotland will be allowed in on exactly the same terms as the UK?

[johnxjsc1985]

r11co said:

The end-game of this is of course when the formal process of a (not yet independent) Scotland applies to join and the conditions for entry are laid bare. Stugeon 'tea will be oot' when that happens.

Is Sturgeon gambling on that eventuality never happening, or does she genuinely believe that iScotland will be allowed in on exactly the same terms as the UK?

So much for having no discussions until the leave process begins.

[Leithen]

This pretty much sums it all up.

[glazbagun]

Leithen said:

This pretty much sums it all up.

Good summary, when did the record become so sensible?

FWIW, and I never thought I'd say this, I'm glad the SNP are in such a strong local position. Scotland is fked either way by this, but Sturgeons proactivity, even if ultimately futile, is about the only decent thing I've seen from our politicians post Brexit.

Labour are a terrifying spectacle right now and the Tories have shot themselves in both feet and are headless.

From what little game theory I know, when faced with a bad outcome people are more likely to choose the unlikely catastrophe over more likely but lesser pain. Trouble is I don't know which is which now!

[jshell]

Leithen said:

This pretty much sums it all up.

Crikey. As having along-term passionate and unbridled, venomous hatred for that commie rag, I find myself agreeing with them!

[snowandrocks]

https://next.ft.com/content/1f0d07b3-1465-3cc2-91c...

Haha - as expected, Spain say no.

Edit - FT seems to be subscription only but the BBC have picked it up.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-pol...

Edited by snowandrocks on Wednesday 29th June 14:49

[Axionknight]

Guardian too:

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/29/ni...

[fluffnik]

r11co said:

I know how the system works, your hyperbole doesn't change anything. Angus Robertson's call today will still be non-democratic bullcrap, seeking to subvert our electoral system (regardless of its potential flaws).

Havers!

The SNP are the only coherent group on the opposition benches, only they have the ministries of state effectively shadowed, they are the only credible opposition.

That's said, being Her Majesty's Loyal anything would stick in my craw...

[BlackLabel]

So it's bye bye to Sturgeons dream of negotiating a deal with the EU to somehow keep Scotland in (whilst the rUK leaves) and then use that to win a second Indy ref.

What next for Wee Jimmy Krankie? You have the deluded grass roots SNP supporters demanding a second indyref yet the party leadership know this will end up with them on the losing side again.

I guess this means they will just continue on with their grievance politics and attempts to blackmail the rUK.

Edited by BlackLabel on Wednesday 29th June 17:56

[Cobnapint]

She's meeting Schulz and Junker this evening according to the Telegraph. Tusk still won't meet her, and other member states have said they won;t be holding talks with her.

If she doesn't get the message tonight, and she comes back and announces that whatever they have said, Scotland is going nowhere, she should be arrested, shoved in a cell and informed that as the First Minister of Scotland, unless she accepts the result of the Referendum, Her Majesty the Queen won't be letting her out.

[Welshbeef]

BlackLabel said:

So it's bye bye to Sturgeons dream of negotiating a deal with the EU to somehow keep Scotland in (whilst the rUK leaves) and then use that to win a second Indy ref.

What next for Wee Jimmy Krankie? You have the deluded grass roots SNP supporters demanding a second indyref yet the party leadership know this will end up with them on the losing side again.

I guess this means they will just continue on with their grievance politics and attempts to blackmail the rUK.

Edited by BlackLabel on Wednesday 29th June 17:56

A firm no and Tusk wouldn't even contemplate a meeting

So the sole way to join is to apply as a new member a process which takes on average 7 years.


Game set and match for the YeSNP view.
Now we can focus on the future

[technodup]

fluffnik said:

The SNP are the only coherent group on the opposition benches, only they have the ministries of state effectively shadowed, they are the only credible opposition.

That's said, being Her Majesty's Loyal anything would stick in my craw...

Any comment on her wasted trip to Brussels at my expense?

Grandstanding wee ahole needs to read this thread ffs, could have saved us all a few quid.

[fluffnik]

technodup said:

fluffnik said:

The SNP are the only coherent group on the opposition benches, only they have the ministries of state effectively shadowed, they are the only credible opposition.

That's said, being Her Majesty's Loyal anything would stick in my craw...

Any comment on her wasted trip to Brussels at my expense?

Grandstanding wee ahole needs to read this thread ffs, could have saved us all a few quid.

I see only a strong political leader with a better mandate than most doing her job.

The people of Scotland want to stay in the EU, to a greater extent than they want to stay in the UK, our FM is on the case.

She has my full support.

[rich1231]

fluffnik said:

I see only a strong political leader with a better mandate than most doing her job.

The people of Scotland want to stay in the EU, to a greater extent than they want to stay in the UK, our FM is on the case.

She has my full support.

I imagine that wil be a massive comfort for her during her really successful trip to Brussels.

[anonymous-user]

technodup said:

fluffnik said:

The SNP are the only coherent group on the opposition benches, only they have the ministries of state effectively shadowed, they are the only credible opposition.

That's said, being Her Majesty's Loyal anything would stick in my craw...

Any comment on her wasted trip to Brussels at my expense?

Grandstanding wee ahole needs to read this thread ffs, could have saved us all a few quid.

You paid for her flight?!

[anonymous-user]

fluffnik said:

technodup said:

fluffnik said:

The SNP are the only coherent group on the opposition benches, only they have the ministries of state effectively shadowed, they are the only credible opposition.

That's said, being Her Majesty's Loyal anything would stick in my craw...

Any comment on her wasted trip to Brussels at my expense?

Grandstanding wee ahole needs to read this thread ffs, could have saved us all a few quid.

I see only a strong political leader with a better mandate than most doing her job.

The people of Scotland want to stay in the EU, to a greater extent than they want to stay in the UK, our FM is on the case.

She has my full support.

I think she's on her own case, first and foremost, like they all are.

Anyway, good luck to you all in trying to stay if the UK leaves but, in all honesty, I can't see how the EU would want another member with a 10% budget deficit to feed.

Don't they have enough lame ducks?

[r11co]

fluffnik said:

The SNP are the only coherent group on the opposition benches, only they have the ministries of state effectively shadowed, they are the only credible opposition.

Irrelevant. A party undergoing a leadership contest does not drop out of politics entirely until such time as the contest is settled. Even then, last time I looked Corbyn was still Labour leader.

You are just blithely repeating the SNP rhetoric, which has no legal standing. It is time like these that it becomes blindingly obvious when people have become conditioned drones.

fluffnik said:

I see only a strong political leader with a better mandate than most doing her job.

I see a consummate opportunist, desperate to hide the fact that she has now twice backed the losing side in a referendum. Anyone calling this 'leadership' is a fool - it is deception of the highest order as she has neither power not mandate to act the way she currently does, as the EU leaders are taking great care to point out.

Is this the latest prong in her grievance agenda - it was Tusk's fault?

Edited by r11co on Wednesday 29th June 19:47

[glazbagun]

r11co said:

fluffnik said:

The SNP are the only coherent group on the opposition benches, only they have the ministries of state effectively shadowed, they are the only credible opposition.

Irrelevant. A party undergoing a leadership contest does not drop out of politics entirely until such time as the contest is settled. Even then, last time I looked Corbyn was still Labour leader.

You are just blithely repeating the SNP rhetoric, which has no legal standing.

It was really cheeky though.