Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 7
Discussion
Sheets Tabuer said:
hidetheelephants said:
Sheets Tabuer said:
contango said:
I am not quite sure you read or understood my reply? Where are they going to get the funding over this 5-10 years of uncertainty?
Maybe I haven't understood and you are in fact a leading advisor to the snp on independence?
What you haven't understood is they will be free to make their own way and that is the point I'm making. The future will be theirs to make, good or bad, rich or poor. It will cost them but what price would you pay to be the master in your own house? Maybe I haven't understood and you are in fact a leading advisor to the snp on independence?
powerstroke said:
technodup said:
Edinburger said:
She's a "regional administrator"?
What a stupid comment.
That's exactly what she is. No real power. Given a few responsibilities to shut her up and now she's taking the piss.What a stupid comment.
anyways the Spanish got it spot on when they said the EU should only listen to the UK Gov
not the Crankies.....
Sheets Tabuer said:
... you're not having laws imposed upon you by a government you didn't elect, controlling your own destiny.
This is what I don't understand, to be honest. The SNP want to leave a Union where they have a big share of the voting system and voice, to join a European Union where the ruling Commission is not elected by the citizens and where they will have a smaller voice and impact on policy. There is no 'controlling your own destiny' in the EU - an independent Scotland in the EU would no doubt have to dance to EU tune. Even the German court ruled that the European Commission was not democratically elected. Bizarre.simoid said:
fluffnik said:
I see only a strong political leader with a better mandate than most doing her job.
The people of Scotland want to stay in the EU, to a greater extent than they want to stay in the UK, our FM is on the case.
She has my full support.
fThe people of Scotland want to stay in the EU, to a greater extent than they want to stay in the UK, our FM is on the case.
She has my full support.
k your bullst. You have no right to say that.The people of Scotland voted for the UK to remain in the EU. Not Scotland.
I voted to leave last week as I don't want to be governed by a federalist super state run by people like JCJ. i've NO interest in another re-run of INDYREF2, other than it means I've got to drag my arse back to a voting booth to record my wish to remain in the UK yet again !
Sturgeon may speak for the diehard idealist dreamers up here but she doesn't reflect the wishes of everyone.Not by a long way.
She thinks things are going well.
Scotsman.com said:
NICOLA Sturgeon last night insisted she was “heartened” by the EU’s response to her attempts to keep Scotland in the bloc despite Spain and France suggesting her efforts will fail
http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/sturgeon-upbeat-over-first-talks-on-scots-staying-in-eu-1-4165199So Sturgeon wants out of a Union which gives Scotland:
(a) Free and easy access to the market 70% of its trade is with.
(b) Subsidises it to the tune of £15bn a year.
(c) Allows it influence and say way out of proportion to its size in that Union.
and wants in with one which:
(a) It only does 15% of its trade with.
(b) Will probably charge it to be a member of.
(c) It will have pretty much zero say in.
(d) Will keep it hanging around for at least 7 years to be a member of.
Sensible stuff.
(a) Free and easy access to the market 70% of its trade is with.
(b) Subsidises it to the tune of £15bn a year.
(c) Allows it influence and say way out of proportion to its size in that Union.
and wants in with one which:
(a) It only does 15% of its trade with.
(b) Will probably charge it to be a member of.
(c) It will have pretty much zero say in.
(d) Will keep it hanging around for at least 7 years to be a member of.
Sensible stuff.
BlackLabel said:
She thinks things are going well.
Scotsman.com said:
NICOLA Sturgeon last night insisted she was “heartened” by the EU’s response to her attempts to keep Scotland in the bloc despite Spain and France suggesting her efforts will fail
http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/sturgeon-upbeat-over-first-talks-on-scots-staying-in-eu-1-4165199confused_buyer said:
So Sturgeon wants out of a Union which gives Scotland:
(a) Free and easy access to the market 70% of its trade is with.
(b) Subsidises it to the tune of £15bn a year.
(c) Allows it influence and say way out of proportion to its size in that Union.
and wants in with one which:
(a) It only does 15% of its trade with.
(b) Will probably charge it to be a member of.
(c) It will have pretty much zero say in.
(d) Will keep it hanging around for at least 7 years to be a member of.
Sensible stuff.
Apart from the anti-Scots sentiments, that's a good way of putting it.(a) Free and easy access to the market 70% of its trade is with.
(b) Subsidises it to the tune of £15bn a year.
(c) Allows it influence and say way out of proportion to its size in that Union.
and wants in with one which:
(a) It only does 15% of its trade with.
(b) Will probably charge it to be a member of.
(c) It will have pretty much zero say in.
(d) Will keep it hanging around for at least 7 years to be a member of.
Sensible stuff.
anonymous said:
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Scots have always been mobile people, but bear in mind that we're a small country around a tenth of the size of England in population terms so there are often more career opportunities south of the border.
Not sure where your stats come from, mind you.
GreigM said:
Rickeh said:
This. I didn't vote SNP but she's doing a cracking job of standing up for Scotland whilst the rest of British politics is a shambles.
Hmmm, but her real job is the administration of the Scottish Government, not politicking around Europe in circles where quite frankly she does not belong. In the meantime this serves as massive misdirection from the real and growing issues in NHS Scotland and our schools.
wobert said:
Edinburger said:
wobert said:
As an aside to political leanings in this thread, I visited "downtown" Edinburgh last night.
As "Scotland's front window to the world" I was amazed at the number of beggars on the streets and the amount of rubbish flying around in the breeze. ( I was walking from the Omni up Leith St and onto Princes St, so hardly the run down back streets).
I know all cities have similar issues, but I was surprised at how dirty and unloved the place looked.
Perhaps Nicola needs to fix the issues at home before worrying about those further afield...?
Have you just emerged from a coma?As "Scotland's front window to the world" I was amazed at the number of beggars on the streets and the amount of rubbish flying around in the breeze. ( I was walking from the Omni up Leith St and onto Princes St, so hardly the run down back streets).
I know all cities have similar issues, but I was surprised at how dirty and unloved the place looked.
Perhaps Nicola needs to fix the issues at home before worrying about those further afield...?
Edited by wobert on Tuesday 28th June 16:25
All cities heaven issues with beggars.
While Edinburgh isn't perfect, it's still one of the UK's most stunning cities.
I've been to cities all over the world including Chicago, New York and most of the capital cities in Europe.
All were cleaner than central Edinburgh and the beggars that were there, were less visible. One guy was parked on a double mattress with his dog outside BHS on Princes St.
I agree, the architecture is a great asset to the city, but as a "mere visitor" I was astounded at the amount of rubbish everywhere and how unloved it all looked.
Both Chicago and NY were significantly cleaner from a litter point of view.
If this is indicative of how you look after and treat your Capital city's assets as a draw for tourists then God help those down the back streets!
But then as a visitor, what would I know.....
Edited by wobert on Wednesday 29th June 21:51
Have you ever visited Glasgow?!
Edinburger said:
Apart from the anti-Scots sentiments, that's a good way of putting it.
If anything came across anti-Scots then it wasn't intended. I just don't understand why a race of people who were always considered "canny" (and I speak as an Englishman whose entire heritage is Scottish and posses a very Scottish name so I have plenty of Scot genes!) wouldn't want to sit quiet and see how things pan out before jumping either or anyway.
Big Rod said:
There's a simple solution...
...Have England, (possibly excluding London), and Ireland to go independent which would mean they would be leaving the UK and leave Scotland, Wales and London in the UK so Scotland wouldn't be bounced out of the EU.
Just thinking out loud.
Well, apparently talks are in place between the leaders of Scotland, Northern Ireland, London and Gibraltar about creating a separate state which remains part of the EU....Have England, (possibly excluding London), and Ireland to go independent which would mean they would be leaving the UK and leave Scotland, Wales and London in the UK so Scotland wouldn't be bounced out of the EU.
Just thinking out loud.
And no, I'm not joking.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jun...
http://news.nationalpost.com/news/world/london-wan...
http://europe.newsweek.com/how-scotland-and-n-irel...
Edinburger said:
confused_buyer said:
So Sturgeon wants out of a Union which gives Scotland:
(a) Free and easy access to the market 70% of its trade is with.
(b) Subsidises it to the tune of £15bn a year.
(c) Allows it influence and say way out of proportion to its size in that Union.
and wants in with one which:
(a) It only does 15% of its trade with.
(b) Will probably charge it to be a member of.
(c) It will have pretty much zero say in.
(d) Will keep it hanging around for at least 7 years to be a member of.
Sensible stuff.
Apart from the anti-Scots sentiments, that's a good way of putting it.(a) Free and easy access to the market 70% of its trade is with.
(b) Subsidises it to the tune of £15bn a year.
(c) Allows it influence and say way out of proportion to its size in that Union.
and wants in with one which:
(a) It only does 15% of its trade with.
(b) Will probably charge it to be a member of.
(c) It will have pretty much zero say in.
(d) Will keep it hanging around for at least 7 years to be a member of.
Sensible stuff.
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