Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 7
Discussion
confused_buyer said:
Edinburger said:
Apart from the anti-Scots sentiments, that's a good way of putting it.
If anything came across anti-Scots then it wasn't intended. I just don't understand why a race of people who were always considered "canny" (and I speak as an Englishman whose entire heritage is Scottish and posses a very Scottish name so I have plenty of Scot genes!) wouldn't want to sit quiet and see how things pan out before jumping either or anyway.
I guess if we sit around to see what happens, it might then become too late to do anything about it.
No one can dispute that Scotland (and other areas) voted differently from the majority so political leaders are surely obliged to try to address that. And, if you're pro-independence, it perhaps emphasises the need for independence.
Edinburger said:
Big Rod said:
There's a simple solution...
...Have England, (possibly excluding London), and Ireland to go independent which would mean they would be leaving the UK and leave Scotland, Wales and London in the UK so Scotland wouldn't be bounced out of the EU.
Just thinking out loud.
Well, apparently talks are in place between the leaders of Scotland, Northern Ireland, London and Gibraltar about creating a separate state which remains part of the EU....Have England, (possibly excluding London), and Ireland to go independent which would mean they would be leaving the UK and leave Scotland, Wales and London in the UK so Scotland wouldn't be bounced out of the EU.
Just thinking out loud.
And no, I'm not joking.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jun...
http://news.nationalpost.com/news/world/london-wan...
http://europe.newsweek.com/how-scotland-and-n-irel...
What I'm talking about is having those regions who voted to exit declare independence from the UK leaving Scotland et al as the rUK which could potentially keep its place in the EU.
Like I say, I was just thinking out loud. I doubt it's viable.
PRTVR said:
Edinburger said:
confused_buyer said:
So Sturgeon wants out of a Union which gives Scotland:
(a) Free and easy access to the market 70% of its trade is with.
(b) Subsidises it to the tune of £15bn a year.
(c) Allows it influence and say way out of proportion to its size in that Union.
and wants in with one which:
(a) It only does 15% of its trade with.
(b) Will probably charge it to be a member of.
(c) It will have pretty much zero say in.
(d) Will keep it hanging around for at least 7 years to be a member of.
Sensible stuff.
Apart from the anti-Scots sentiments, that's a good way of putting it.(a) Free and easy access to the market 70% of its trade is with.
(b) Subsidises it to the tune of £15bn a year.
(c) Allows it influence and say way out of proportion to its size in that Union.
and wants in with one which:
(a) It only does 15% of its trade with.
(b) Will probably charge it to be a member of.
(c) It will have pretty much zero say in.
(d) Will keep it hanging around for at least 7 years to be a member of.
Sensible stuff.
Big Rod said:
Edinburger said:
Big Rod said:
There's a simple solution...
...Have England, (possibly excluding London), and Ireland to go independent which would mean they would be leaving the UK and leave Scotland, Wales and London in the UK so Scotland wouldn't be bounced out of the EU.
Just thinking out loud.
Well, apparently talks are in place between the leaders of Scotland, Northern Ireland, London and Gibraltar about creating a separate state which remains part of the EU....Have England, (possibly excluding London), and Ireland to go independent which would mean they would be leaving the UK and leave Scotland, Wales and London in the UK so Scotland wouldn't be bounced out of the EU.
Just thinking out loud.
And no, I'm not joking.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jun...
http://news.nationalpost.com/news/world/london-wan...
http://europe.newsweek.com/how-scotland-and-n-irel...
What I'm talking about is having those regions who voted to exit declare independence from the UK leaving Scotland et al as the rUK which could potentially keep its place in the EU.
Like I say, I was just thinking out loud. I doubt it's viable.
What if - just thinking out loud here - Scotland, Northern Ireland, London and Gibraltar combine to become a new state with continued EU membership (given the extreme economic importance of London)?
England and Wales retain the GB name outwith the EU as per the democratic wishes of the population and 'New Country' remain within the EU.
Thoughts?
Edinburger said:
Not sure - this is unchartered territory...?
What if - just thinking out loud here - Scotland, Northern Ireland, London and Gibraltar combine to become a new state with continued EU membership (given the extreme economic importance of London)?
England and Wales retain the GB name outwith the EU as per the democratic wishes of the population and 'New Country' remain within the EU.
Thoughts?
Well, isn't that what Turdgeon is trying to achieve and being chucked a resounding 'deefie'?What if - just thinking out loud here - Scotland, Northern Ireland, London and Gibraltar combine to become a new state with continued EU membership (given the extreme economic importance of London)?
England and Wales retain the GB name outwith the EU as per the democratic wishes of the population and 'New Country' remain within the EU.
Thoughts?
Nick Grant said:
Edinburger said:
England and Wales retain the GB name
Thoughts?
GB is the name of the land mass we inhabit, not a country. Thoughts?
Let's call it WalenglandminusLondon.
ETA By the way, Wikipedia define Great Britain as "an island separated from the European mainland by the English Channel and North Sea. It comprises the nations of England, Scotland and Wales."
Edited by Edinburger on Thursday 30th June 09:41
boxxob said:
confused_buyer said:
So Sturgeon wants out of a Union which gives Scotland:
(a) Free and easy access to the market 70% of its trade is with.
(b) Subsidises it to the tune of £15bn a year.
(c) Allows it influence and say way out of proportion to its size in that Union.
and wants in with one which:
(a) It only does 15% of its trade with.
(b) Will probably charge it to be a member of.
(c) It will have pretty much zero say in.
(d) Will keep it hanging around for at least 7 years to be a member of.
Sensible stuff.
sabotage your country for your ambitions for power...and a wee bit of pantomime hatred of the english(a) Free and easy access to the market 70% of its trade is with.
(b) Subsidises it to the tune of £15bn a year.
(c) Allows it influence and say way out of proportion to its size in that Union.
and wants in with one which:
(a) It only does 15% of its trade with.
(b) Will probably charge it to be a member of.
(c) It will have pretty much zero say in.
(d) Will keep it hanging around for at least 7 years to be a member of.
Sensible stuff.
Edinburger said:
Not sure - this is unchartered territory...?
What if - just thinking out loud here - Scotland, Northern Ireland, London and Gibraltar combine to become a new state with continued EU membership (given the extreme economic importance of London)?
England and Wales retain the GB name outwith the EU as per the democratic wishes of the population and 'New Country' remain within the EU.
Thoughts?
What have you been smoking?What if - just thinking out loud here - Scotland, Northern Ireland, London and Gibraltar combine to become a new state with continued EU membership (given the extreme economic importance of London)?
England and Wales retain the GB name outwith the EU as per the democratic wishes of the population and 'New Country' remain within the EU.
Thoughts?
You spend the entire time complaining about those Londoners making all the decisions for Scotland, and yet suddenly now we will be in a union with them?
You really couldn't make it up.
France and Spain are going to block any decision for Scotland or Ireland to join in a nice way because of their own situation at home. Now add Gilbraltar and it's a brilliant oppurtunity for them to finally get it - what they always wanted. No way they are letting this happen without a fight.
NRS said:
Edinburger said:
Not sure - this is unchartered territory...?
What if - just thinking out loud here - Scotland, Northern Ireland, London and Gibraltar combine to become a new state with continued EU membership (given the extreme economic importance of London)?
England and Wales retain the GB name outwith the EU as per the democratic wishes of the population and 'New Country' remain within the EU.
Thoughts?
What have you been smoking?What if - just thinking out loud here - Scotland, Northern Ireland, London and Gibraltar combine to become a new state with continued EU membership (given the extreme economic importance of London)?
England and Wales retain the GB name outwith the EU as per the democratic wishes of the population and 'New Country' remain within the EU.
Thoughts?
You spend the entire time complaining about those Londoners making all the decisions for Scotland, and yet suddenly now you will be in a union with them?
You really couldn't make it up.
France and Spain are going to block any decision for Scotland or Ireland to join in a nice way because of their own situation at home. Now add Gilbraltar and it's a brilliant oppurtunity for them to finally get it - what they always wanted. No way they are letting this happen without a fight.
I'm not saying I want that to happen or that I think it will happen - I'm saying it's on the table.
When will Sturgeon report on her visit to Brussels.
Both Spain and France seem dead against any discussion on this matter.
If she is so concerned and so keen to remain in Europe the option to call for another Referendum is her only option.
I feel sorry for the people of Scotland they must be sick of all of this.
Both Spain and France seem dead against any discussion on this matter.
If she is so concerned and so keen to remain in Europe the option to call for another Referendum is her only option.
I feel sorry for the people of Scotland they must be sick of all of this.
johnxjsc1985 said:
When will Sturgeon report on her visit to Brussels.
Both Spain and France seem dead against any discussion on this matter.
If she is so concerned and so keen to remain in Europe the option to call for another Referendum is her only option.
I feel sorry for the people of Scotland they must be sick of all of this.
Yes mate, we are. Both Spain and France seem dead against any discussion on this matter.
If she is so concerned and so keen to remain in Europe the option to call for another Referendum is her only option.
I feel sorry for the people of Scotland they must be sick of all of this.
Edinburger said:
You really, really don't know me.
I'm not saying I want that to happen or that I think it will happen - I'm saying it's on the table.
"You" was the SNP in general. The control from London (and England) was supposedly the whole reason for independence. Not racism. I'm not saying I want that to happen or that I think it will happen - I'm saying it's on the table.
It may be on the table, but everytime it appears on the table someone else will pick it up and rip it into tiny little pieces immediately.
Edinburger said:
Can everyone please note it's not Ireland - that's an island comprising of the Republic of Ireland (independent country) and Northern Ireland (part of the UK).
It's Northern Ireland's future which is the question here.
It's Northern Ireland's future which is the question here.
The remain vote here was much narrower than Scotland's, and I suspect given a choice between remaining in the United Kingdom outside Europe or joining a struggling Republic of Ireland inside, it would be a comfortable vote to stay in the UK. UK and Irish governments have both ruled out a border poll anyway, so it's really a non starter (I hope).
Edinburger said:
PRTVR said:
Edinburger said:
confused_buyer said:
So Sturgeon wants out of a Union which gives Scotland:
(a) Free and easy access to the market 70% of its trade is with.
(b) Subsidises it to the tune of £15bn a year.
(c) Allows it influence and say way out of proportion to its size in that Union.
and wants in with one which:
(a) It only does 15% of its trade with.
(b) Will probably charge it to be a member of.
(c) It will have pretty much zero say in.
(d) Will keep it hanging around for at least 7 years to be a member of.
Sensible stuff.
Apart from the anti-Scots sentiments, that's a good way of putting it.(a) Free and easy access to the market 70% of its trade is with.
(b) Subsidises it to the tune of £15bn a year.
(c) Allows it influence and say way out of proportion to its size in that Union.
and wants in with one which:
(a) It only does 15% of its trade with.
(b) Will probably charge it to be a member of.
(c) It will have pretty much zero say in.
(d) Will keep it hanging around for at least 7 years to be a member of.
Sensible stuff.
Edinburger said:
Not sure - this is unchartered territory...?
What if - just thinking out loud here - Scotland, Northern Ireland, London and Gibraltar combine to become a new state with continued EU membership (given the extreme economic importance of London)?
England and Wales retain the GB name outwith the EU as per the democratic wishes of the population and 'New Country' remain within the EU.
Thoughts?
Engage brain. What if - just thinking out loud here - Scotland, Northern Ireland, London and Gibraltar combine to become a new state with continued EU membership (given the extreme economic importance of London)?
England and Wales retain the GB name outwith the EU as per the democratic wishes of the population and 'New Country' remain within the EU.
Thoughts?
London to become a country.
So to clarify you'd have a hard boarder on the M25? You do realise the hundreds of thousands who commute into London every day from Home Counties passport control every day. It's not practical first and foremost - plus say the Euro tunnel which would then cross EU to England to EU England could if it chose stop services.
Engage brain Scotland boarder how would that work?
Lastly UK govt has the final say not its areas otherwise hey guess what Oxford might want in but you know what Whiltshire doesn't / Oxford could be landlocked. Nuts.
We vote as a whole country.
Imagine every time you disagree with the EU and a few other countries do too you split off and make a pact together?
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