Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 7
Discussion
Mr GrimNasty said:
Scotland voted to remain in the UK whilst knowing there was going to be a referendum and they might be forced out the EU.
There is no reason for a second referendum.
No referendum required, just execute exactly as has been chosen.There is no reason for a second referendum.
Scotland stays in the united kingdom and Europe. England and Wales seceed from UK / EU.
Scotland voted in UK, in Europe = check.
England voted out of Europe = check.
England, unencumbered by diluted sovereignty can even sort it's borders as it chooses. The opportunistic among the eu will be denied the leverage of the 2 year rule on article 50 to cause England pain because there would be no article 50.
Score all round.
ShaunTheSheep said:
No referendum required, just execute exactly as has been chosen.
Scotland stays in the united kingdom and Europe. England and Wales seceed from UK / EU.
Scotland voted in UK, in Europe = check.
England voted out of Europe = check.
England, unencumbered by diluted sovereignty can even sort it's borders as it chooses. The opportunistic among the eu will be denied the leverage of the 2 year rule on article 50 to cause England pain because there would be no article 50.
Score all round.
It's a cunning plan Baldrick. Scotland stays in the united kingdom and Europe. England and Wales seceed from UK / EU.
Scotland voted in UK, in Europe = check.
England voted out of Europe = check.
England, unencumbered by diluted sovereignty can even sort it's borders as it chooses. The opportunistic among the eu will be denied the leverage of the 2 year rule on article 50 to cause England pain because there would be no article 50.
Score all round.
You know what happens next.
ShaunTheSheep said:
No referendum required, just execute exactly as has been chosen.
Scotland stays in the united kingdom and Europe. England and Wales seceed from UK / EU.
Scotland voted in UK, in Europe = check.
England voted out of Europe = check.
England, unencumbered by diluted sovereignty can even sort it's borders as it chooses. The opportunistic among the eu will be denied the leverage of the 2 year rule on article 50 to cause England pain because there would be no article 50.
Score all round.
Wrong. What was chosen was for the UK to leave the EU. Nothing else. No other question was asked.Scotland stays in the united kingdom and Europe. England and Wales seceed from UK / EU.
Scotland voted in UK, in Europe = check.
England voted out of Europe = check.
England, unencumbered by diluted sovereignty can even sort it's borders as it chooses. The opportunistic among the eu will be denied the leverage of the 2 year rule on article 50 to cause England pain because there would be no article 50.
Score all round.
ShaunTheSheep said:
No referendum required, just execute exactly as has been chosen.
Scotland stays in the united kingdom and Europe. England and Wales seceed from UK / EU.
Scotland voted in UK, in Europe = check.
England voted out of Europe = check.
England, unencumbered by diluted sovereignty can even sort it's borders as it chooses. The opportunistic among the eu will be denied the leverage of the 2 year rule on article 50 to cause England pain because there would be no article 50.
Score all round.
Are you high?Scotland stays in the united kingdom and Europe. England and Wales seceed from UK / EU.
Scotland voted in UK, in Europe = check.
England voted out of Europe = check.
England, unencumbered by diluted sovereignty can even sort it's borders as it chooses. The opportunistic among the eu will be denied the leverage of the 2 year rule on article 50 to cause England pain because there would be no article 50.
Score all round.
The question asked was should the UK get out of dodge city. Scotland said 'naw pal'. England said 'jolly good idea'.
Do we need yet another bloody referendum for England to say whether it wants to go it alone or if that changes things?
What difference does it make if England drags a couple of unwilling parties along with it or just gets on with it?
Do we need yet another bloody referendum for England to say whether it wants to go it alone or if that changes things?
What difference does it make if England drags a couple of unwilling parties along with it or just gets on with it?
simoid said:
fluffnik said:
The people of Scotland want to stay in the EU, to a greater extent than they want to stay in the UK, our FM is on the case.
She has my full support.
fShe has my full support.
k your bullst. You have no right to say that.simoid said:
The people of Scotland voted for the UK to remain in the EU. Not Scotland.
I was hoping the whole UK would vote to stay in, but my main motivation for voting "Remain" was to protect my EU citizenship....and judging by the rush to acquire Irish or other EU second passports, I was far from alone!
My EU citizenship provides me with considerable utility and saves me money every year, but I could swap my British citizenship for any of the other 27 without feeling any loss, so I'm not that surprised.
ShaunTheSheep said:
Nanook said:
No, the UK voted out of Europe.
Scotland voted to remain. It didn't have enough influence to change the outcome but Scotland most definitely voted to remain.
If only the Yes Scotland dingleberries had talked about things like this in 2014 instead to speaking massive amounts of rubbish about almost everything else, then Scotland may have actually voted yes - could have been out of the EU much sooner that way.
Mr GrimNasty said:
Scotland voted to remain in the UK whilst knowing there was going to be a referendum and they might be forced out the EU.
Nope, plain wrong.The only risk of an EU referendum in 2014 was if there was a majority Tory government elected in 2015, which seemed very unlikely at the time.
The "No" campaign made a big deal of only a No vote securing EU membership.
ShaunTheSheep said:
No referendum required, just execute exactly as has been chosen.
Scotland stays in the united kingdom and Europe. England and Wales seceed from UK / EU.
Scotland voted in UK, in Europe = check.
England voted out of Europe = check.
England, unencumbered by diluted sovereignty can even sort it's borders as it chooses. The opportunistic among the eu will be denied the leverage of the 2 year rule on article 50 to cause England pain because there would be no article 50.
Score all round.
Scotland stays in the united kingdom and Europe. England and Wales seceed from UK / EU.
Scotland voted in UK, in Europe = check.
England voted out of Europe = check.
England, unencumbered by diluted sovereignty can even sort it's borders as it chooses. The opportunistic among the eu will be denied the leverage of the 2 year rule on article 50 to cause England pain because there would be no article 50.
Score all round.
Mostly good, except if either Scotland or England( incorporating Wales) leaves the UK, by definition ends, but that's just fine.
I can't see why not to support your scheme.
fluffnik said:
Nope, plain wrong.
The only risk of an EU referendum in 2014 was if there was a majority Tory government elected in 2015, which seemed very unlikely at the time.
The "No" campaign made a big deal of only a No vote securing EU membership.
And yet the Tory vote in Scotland rose in 2015, and has continued to rise since.....The only risk of an EU referendum in 2014 was if there was a majority Tory government elected in 2015, which seemed very unlikely at the time.
The "No" campaign made a big deal of only a No vote securing EU membership.
fluffnik said:
Mostly good, except if either Scotland or England( incorporating Wales) leaves the UK, by definition ends, but that's just fine.
I can't see why not to support your scheme.
Can't see why myself.
The Scots are a cost not a profit. Barnett formula, oils worth the square root of f
k all. Immigration controls won't be possible if we stay in the EEC. The French are dying to make our exit painful and they'll use the time limits of article 50 against us.Make england great again! Let's secede!
I am stupidly tempted to put up a site, stick £25 of super targeted book face ads to launch it and sit back and chuckle.
100 years ago tomorrow 20,000 British Soldiers died in the battle of the Somme. By November over 400,000 had perished.
Many Scottish young men stood side by side with English, Irish and Welsh Soldiers. They stood shoulder to shoulder again just 20 years later and ever since then they have been the very best our Country has produced. I wonder how they would feel now seeing such division.
Many Scottish young men stood side by side with English, Irish and Welsh Soldiers. They stood shoulder to shoulder again just 20 years later and ever since then they have been the very best our Country has produced. I wonder how they would feel now seeing such division.
andymadmak said:
fluffnik said:
The only risk of an EU referendum in 2014 was if there was a majority Tory government elected in 2015, which seemed very unlikely at the time.
The "No" campaign made a big deal of only a No vote securing EU membership.
And yet the Tory vote in Scotland rose in 2015, and has continued to rise since.....The "No" campaign made a big deal of only a No vote securing EU membership.
The Tories are effectively the only Unionist party left in Scotland, yet they can only muster 22% of the vote.
The UK is over.
fluffnik said:
simoid said:
fluffnik said:
The people of Scotland want to stay in the EU, to a greater extent than they want to stay in the UK, our FM is on the case.
She has my full support.
fShe has my full support.
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