Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 7
Discussion
technodup said:
Edinburger said:
What are you talking about?!?!
In an anti-Scotland rant you're conveniently forgetting he loss of face and damage to the UK's reputation across the globe
? I think a lot of people will be looking on with envy tbh. The globe is somewhat larger than the EU. And even within the EU whilst the bosses look with disgust the peoples see us setting an example.In an anti-Scotland rant you're conveniently forgetting he loss of face and damage to the UK's reputation across the globe
Edinburger said:
as well as job losses,
Where? I'm not saying there won't be, but I've not heard of any, and others will be created. It's been a week, so not sure how you can quantify that?Edinburger said:
economic hardship
Eh? See above.Edinburger said:
and everything else as a result of Brexit.
Waffle.Edinburger said:
Perspective, sir.
Facts, sir.
I just don't get the SNP and the EU.
I mean, the EU including the likes of Juncker totally shafted the SNP during the referendum in 2014 and deliberately sabotaged their campaign.
In any logical sense there should be deep hatred and loathing for the EU institutions from the SNP but they are obsessed about fawning all over them.
Why (a) do they do this and why (b) do they think it would be much different second time around?
I mean, the EU including the likes of Juncker totally shafted the SNP during the referendum in 2014 and deliberately sabotaged their campaign.
In any logical sense there should be deep hatred and loathing for the EU institutions from the SNP but they are obsessed about fawning all over them.
Why (a) do they do this and why (b) do they think it would be much different second time around?
confused_buyer said:
Why (a) do they do this and why (b) do they think it would be much different second time around?
Its posturing. More to do with domestic politics than anything else. They know it wouldn't be different second time, hence you will never see another referendum. They will continue shouting about it and then blaming the big meanies in Brussels/Westminster* for not giving in, all the time keeping the mindless masses thinking they are "doing a good job fighting our corner" while letting the country go to ruin through basic mismanagement of local services.*(delete as appropriate for today's scapegoat)
GreigM said:
confused_buyer said:
Why (a) do they do this and why (b) do they think it would be much different second time around?
Its posturing. More to do with domestic politics than anything else. They know it wouldn't be different second time, hence you will never see another referendum. They will continue shouting about it and then blaming the big meanies in Brussels/Westminster* for not giving in, all the time keeping the mindless masses thinking they are "doing a good job fighting our corner" while letting the country go to ruin through basic mismanagement of local services.*(delete as appropriate for today's scapegoat)
Garvin said:
GreigM said:
confused_buyer said:
Why (a) do they do this and why (b) do they think it would be much different second time around?
Its posturing. More to do with domestic politics than anything else. They know it wouldn't be different second time, hence you will never see another referendum. They will continue shouting about it and then blaming the big meanies in Brussels/Westminster* for not giving in, all the time keeping the mindless masses thinking they are "doing a good job fighting our corner" while letting the country go to ruin through basic mismanagement of local services.*(delete as appropriate for today's scapegoat)
confused_buyer said:
I just don't get the SNP and the EU.
I mean, the EU including the likes of Juncker totally shafted the SNP during the referendum in 2014 and deliberately sabotaged their campaign.
In any logical sense there should be deep hatred and loathing for the EU institutions from the SNP but they are obsessed about fawning all over them.
Why (a) do they do this and why (b) do they think it would be much different second time around?
Because the EU are not the English.I mean, the EU including the likes of Juncker totally shafted the SNP during the referendum in 2014 and deliberately sabotaged their campaign.
In any logical sense there should be deep hatred and loathing for the EU institutions from the SNP but they are obsessed about fawning all over them.
Why (a) do they do this and why (b) do they think it would be much different second time around?
Not that the SNP are anti English or anything.
I'm sure one of the Natters will be along shortly to tell us so
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confused_buyer said:
I just don't get the SNP and the EU.
I mean, the EU including the likes of Juncker totally shafted the SNP during the referendum in 2014 and deliberately sabotaged their campaign.
In any logical sense there should be deep hatred and loathing for the EU institutions from the SNP but they are obsessed about fawning all over them.
Why (a) do they do this and why (b) do they think it would be much different second time around?
Where do they plan the benefit money to come from? looking at the EU's generosity towards Turkey perhaps?I mean, the EU including the likes of Juncker totally shafted the SNP during the referendum in 2014 and deliberately sabotaged their campaign.
In any logical sense there should be deep hatred and loathing for the EU institutions from the SNP but they are obsessed about fawning all over them.
Why (a) do they do this and why (b) do they think it would be much different second time around?
http://ec.europa.eu/enlargement/instruments/fundin...
NoNeed said:
Laughing Spanish Guy aside, the bit about the GBP export market being £65bn and the Euro export market being £12bn - where do these figures come from, and what do they mean?Twilkes said:
NoNeed said:
Laughing Spanish Guy aside, the bit about the GBP export market being £65bn and the Euro export market being £12bn - where do these figures come from, and what do they mean?Doesn't quite equate to £65bn but you get the idea: for Scotland to ditch the Union for the EU would require an incredible rebalancing of the economy. Scotland's access to the UK internal market is critical. While the UK continues to be part of the single market it isn't a problem. If the UK ends up outside the single market and Scotland were to vote for independence Scotland would need very rapidly to negotiate access to the UK market or suffer a meltdown. If the UK remains in the single market via say EEA rules the key question would be border control. It looks like freedom of movement in some form is going to be a UK red line and contrary to press nonsense the EEA members through one device or another have applied controls on freedom of movement. If that happens then you will see border control potentially on the M6 and A1.
Twilkes said:
Laughing Spanish Guy aside, the bit about the GBP export market being £65bn and the Euro export market being £12bn - where do these figures come from, and what do they mean?
Just imagine boader controls between Eng and Scotland it would be a nightmare and would need a hard boader like hardens wall rebuiltGassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff