Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 7

[Hainey]

'Burger, do you follow this lot? www.reddit.com/r/scotland

It's just your postings seem to correspond with a lot of their timings and you have similar arguments. Hence why I'm wondering.

Although you don't seem nearly as 'evangelical' as them. Which is definately a good thing.

[Edinburger]

Hainey said:

'Burger, do you follow this lot? www.reddit.com/r/scotland

It's just your postings seem to correspond with a lot of their timings and you have similar arguments. Hence why I'm wondering.

Although you don't seem nearly as 'evangelical' as them. Which is definately a good thing.

Ha ha. No, I don't.

[Hainey]

Edinburger said:

Ruth has spoken: a possible second Scottish independence referendum should not be blocked by the UK government

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-pol...

How many should we have? 3? 5? Best of 5?

Should the rest of the UK get a vote this time in keeping or ditching us?

[Hainey]

Edinburger said:

Hainey said:

'Burger, do you follow this lot? www.reddit.com/r/scotland

It's just your postings seem to correspond with a lot of their timings and you have similar arguments. Hence why I'm wondering.

Although you don't seem nearly as 'evangelical' as them. Which is definately a good thing.

Ha ha. No, I don't.

There are some properly deluded bitter people on there. For all I don't agree with your views, you seem a nice enough guy, and that's NOT what you find lurking there!

[Garvin]

Edinburger said:

Garvin said:

No, we are dealing with Sturgeon's current behaviour. I, for one, will not be put off calling people's behaviour for what it is because of some PC bullst.

If not to cause some upset then perhaps you can enlighten me as to why she raised this topic?

When did I say it was PC?

You're wrong because (as has been covered by numerous people numerous times on this thread) Scottish nationalism for the overwhelming majority of people is on no way connected to any perceived hatred or dislike of non-Scots.

Simple as that. It's about improving circumstances for the people of Scotland.

Can't believe that ridiculous claim is still emerging on this thread.

Two things:

1. Whether the nationalism is in "no way connected to any perceived hatred or dislike of non-Scots" misses the point entirely. The point is that Sturgeon is using this topic to raise the spectre of some form of racism from the government at Westminster when none exists i.e. she is using it as a vehicle to generate more unrest in Scotland for her own ends using the spectre of someone else's 'racism' where none exists or is implied.

2. Now answer the question? If not this then why has Sturgeon raised this topic in this way when she knows the answer full well?

[GoBig]

ellroy said:

Why not house by house? Everyone gets what they want then.

Oh, yes because the vote to remain, for a generation, means that you abide by the democratic decision of the U.K. that your countrymen voted to remain part of.

I don't like it, I voted to remain, but ffs grow up. It's called democracy.

Very much this. FULL.STOP.

[technodup]

Edinburger said:

Ruth has spoken: a possible second Scottish independence referendum should not be blocked by the UK government

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-pol...

Because she's confident of winning it. Again.

[ShaunTheSheep]

Are England and Wales seceding yet? If not why not. Hurry up you lot.

[Troubleatmill]

The EU has pretty much said to Sturgeon "Jog on sunshine- yer on yer own!!!"

In fact - just like the letter exchange between the Scottish Govt and Vivan Reding.

Same request... same answer...

The problem is.... the electorate now knows that Scotland will not be at "the top table" as per Salmond's lies.
Remember his lying and spending tax payers money to try to cover it up.....

[johnxjsc1985]

Is there anything else she would like us to give up before we even begin to discuss the leave agreement.
I cannot forsee any situation where people living here now will not be still here after the agreement is reached.

[Cobnapint]

Edinburger said:

Cobnapint said:

Irrelevant. As you know.

She has as much right to go demanding what she is, as individual counties have - and that's NONE.

Disagree. You can't compare the argument of a county with the argument of a country. Simple as.

Disagree back. You can when both entities are part of a bigger voting block. Particularly when one of those recently voted to stay within that bigger block.

It can't have it both ways.

[technodup]

Edinburger said:

Disagree. You can't compare the argument of a county with the argument of a country. Simple as.

Disagree all you like.

Scotland isn't a country. A country needs a government, and in spite of the branding, we don't have one.

We've got a few powers to keep us quiet, and a runt of a 'leader' who doesn't understand the word (country or quiet).

[Troubleatmill]

technodup said:

Edinburger said:

Disagree. You can't compare the argument of a county with the argument of a country. Simple as.

Disagree all you like.

Scotland isn't a country. A country needs a government, and in spite of the branding, we don't have one.

We've got a few powers to keep us quiet, and a runt of a 'leader' who doesn't understand the word (country or quiet).

To be fair... Scotland is a country.
It does not pass the tests for an independent country.

But... It is just like Birmingham or London, or Manchester piping up and saying "We want independence... moan moan moan moan'

The total irony of the SNP position is - that is is going to be out of the EU ... and possibly out of the UK.
And it does not take many Brits to boycott Scottish produce to bring the whole Scottish economy and country to its knees.

[johnxjsc1985]

Troubleatmill said:

To be fair... Scotland is a country.
It does not pass the tests for an independent country.

But... It is just like Birmingham or London, or Manchester piping up and saying "We want independence... moan moan moan moan'

The total irony of the SNP position is - that is is going to be out of the EU ... and possibly out of the UK.
And it does not take many Brits to boycott Scottish produce to bring the whole Scottish economy and country to its knees.

I always think of Scotland as a Country within the Uk just like Wales or England. What I don't get is why the SNP want to ps off the population of England so much.

[Troubleatmill]

johnxjsc1985 said:

I always think of Scotland as a Country within the Uk just like Wales or England. What I don't get is why the SNP want to ps off the population of England so much.

To get the rUK to say feck off.... and it is not Salmond or Sturgeon's fault.

[fluffnik]

Rollin said:

Edinburger said:

Scotland voted differently to the referendum outcome. If Ms Sturgeon ignored that and did nothing, you'd have a lot to say about that!

Scotland didn't have a separate referendum to the rest of the UK.

No, but it did just elect a government with a more substantial mandate than any other in the British Isles which promised to do everything in its power to protect Scotland's position in the EU.

Nicola is doing precisely what she was elected to do.

[GreigM]

fluffnik said:

No, but it did just elect a government with a more substantial mandate than any other in the British Isles

I don't understand what you are trying to say there. They are a minority government, and the tories at westminster have a majority. They certainly don't have a "more substantial mandate".

[confused_buyer]

GreigM said:

I don't understand what you are trying to say there. They are a minority government, and the tories at westminster have a majority. They certainly don't have a "more substantial mandate".

I think he means they got about 44% of the vote rather than the 38ish the Tories got in 2015.

The turnout at 55.6% wasn't brilliant though - certainly higher than locals but lower than Generals usually are.

[technodup]

fluffnik said:

No, but it did just elect a government with a more substantial mandate than any other in the British Isles which promised to do everything in its power to protect Scotland's position in the EU.

"Everything in its power". So nothing then.

I don't remember that being a big issue at election time. Why would it be, when they have no control over it?

But having said that SP elections are like electing people to man the raffle at the school fete so forgive me if it was front and centre in the campaign and I missed it.

[Leithen]

fluffnik said:

Nicola