Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 7

[anonymous-user]

Have done a fair bit of contract work up in Scotland, and have only encountered a few anti english sentiments usually issued by drunk wegies and more along the lines of banter rather than abuse.

The last time it happened, I was accosted by a drunk wegie, who announced that he hated the effing english, he enquired if I was english, I said yes and he asked where, I told him Yorkshire, a big smile lit up his face and he advised ahh your scum like me let me buy you a pint and rum and pep chaser and ended up having a cracking night out.

[Sylvaforever]

The real problem is the SNP are very, very good at intimidation thus the media in Scotland are individually afraid NOT to turn round and say no your just talking your usual sound bite hot air and no we won't be covering you until you actually say something relevant

[sirtyro]

nightcruiser said:

Hainey said:

HD Adam said:

sirtyro said:

I honestly think they will have a referendum and leave. It's not what I want to happen but I think NS just won't give up and 2017 they will have a referendum and based on the EU vote I think they will leave the UK. Even though I don't think they will get into the EU as easily as SNP seem to think, I just think they are never going to give up on breaking the union and the only way to stop it would be a GE that see's the SNP lose seats.

Wee Nippy can "call for" a referendum as she states in all her bullst interviews but she cannot "call" a referendum on the break up of the UK.

Only the PM can do that.

As a Scottish person I can assure you that many of my countrymen share my view that she is a festering ahole of a woman.

Count me as well. I cringe to think what rUK and the world must be thinking of us!

Can you explain why so many people vote for SNP in the GE and the SMP elections?! I know that in the SMP 2016 SNP lost a few seats and conservatives made gains, but why do so many Scots vote for the SNP? Do they have a real mandate from the people of Scotland to leave the UK?

[r11co]

sirtyro said:

Can you explain why so many people vote for SNP in the GE and the SMP elections?!

Because the majority of these people used to vote Labour, until the SNP party machine convinced them that Labour were in fact 'Red Tories' and therefor fat cats and paedo's just like the 'Tories'.

[mikal83]

r11co said:

sirtyro said:

Can you explain why so many people vote for SNP in the GE and the SMP elections?!

Because the majority of these people used to vote Labour, until the SNP party machine convinced them that Labour were in fact 'Red Tories' and therefor fat cats and paedo's just like the 'Tories'.

Its because labour and the Cons are "English".

[r11co]

mikal83 said:

Its because labour and the Cons are "English".

Quite, and Corbyn (amongst his many failings) doesn't appreciate that he needs to come out of his North London bubble and stop behaving like a perpetual student politician if he is going to contribute in any way to Labour regaining its Scottish support. The way he behaves plays precisely into the image presented by the SNP of Westminster politicians being aloof and disinterested in Scotland.

His left-wing credentials are meaningless against the pseudo-socialist rhetoric the SNP has adopted. He needs to start behaving like a statesman (which will never happen..)

Edited by r11co on Tuesday 26th July 13:36

[Twilkes]

Vandenberg said:

Have done a fair bit of contract work up in Scotland, and have only encountered a few anti english sentiments usually issued by drunk wegies and more along the lines of banter rather than abuse.

The last time it happened, I was accosted by a drunk wegie, who announced that he hated the effing english, he enquired if I was english, I said yes and he asked where, I told him Yorkshire, a big smile lit up his face and he advised ahh your scum like me let me buy you a pint and rum and pep chaser and ended up having a cracking night out.

Snap - only time someone ever said 'You English? What you doin' up here?' was in Lauders pub in Glasgow, and sixty seconds later he bought me a drink.

In my experience any anti-English sentiment is caused solely because one or more of the parties involved is a d1ck, and it's not always necessarily the Scot.

[Alpacaman]

Twilkes said:

Vandenberg said:

Have done a fair bit of contract work up in Scotland, and have only encountered a few anti english sentiments usually issued by drunk wegies and more along the lines of banter rather than abuse.

The last time it happened, I was accosted by a drunk wegie, who announced that he hated the effing english, he enquired if I was english, I said yes and he asked where, I told him Yorkshire, a big smile lit up his face and he advised ahh your scum like me let me buy you a pint and rum and pep chaser and ended up having a cracking night out.

Snap - only time someone ever said 'You English? What you doin' up here?' was in Lauders pub in Glasgow, and sixty seconds later he bought me a drink.

In my experience any anti-English sentiment is caused solely because one or more of the parties involved is a d1ck, and it's not always necessarily the Scot.

To be honest I felt the same until I moved here, I had spent twenty five years working and having holidays here, I had the odd comment but never felt unwelcome. I must stress I regard myself as British first as I have English, Welsh, Irish and Scottish ancestors, but as the Scottish referendum campaign progressed I found more and more people who felt being anti English was acceptable and would judge you on your accent. Now most people I have met have been warm, generous and friendly, but I suggest you read some of the examples in my earlier post before you try and blame me for the blind ignorance of a portion of the population in my choosen home. Trying to pretend it doesn't exist changes nothing.

[AstonZagato]

sirtyro said:

Do they have a real mandate from the people of Scotland to leave the UK?

No they don't. You see there was this big vote on the matter a couple of years ago and the answer was very clear. Scotland and the Scottish would like to remain as part of the U.K. HTH


As to why the SNP get so many votes, you'd have to ask all those who voted for them. I suspect that there would be a range of answers from the fanatical haters of the UK like Fluff to the more mellow tones of 'burger who can't bring himself to condemn then despite the record. However, I would think there would be a very large part that merely realise that it is a very effective protest vote to create shrill noise at Westminster that ensures the Scots get at least their fair share (or more) of what is going but can't ever have enough power to actually screw the system up too badly. The squeaky wheel and all that.

There may be a creeping realisation that the SNP now have too much power and are failing where they have it (education, health and policing to name but three). Hence they lost their majority in Holyrood and the rise of the Tory party as the largest opposition party.

They are a very canny lot the Scots.

Edited by AstonZagato on Tuesday 26th July 14:44

[simoid]

Ah yes - "vote for the SNP = vote for Scotland".

Who's going to vote against that if you're a soundbyte voter?

[A.J.M]

The reasons some people vote for them from my friends are mixed.

Some are angry at labour for losing their true socialist roots and feel the snp have taken over that part.
Others feel they will deliver the land of milk and honey that was promised at the indyref and feel this magical land is just a vote away.
Others because it was popular to do so.

The one common factor with them all is that they are all left wing people, all socialist and are very happy to talk about rights and how the right or centre are wrong.
But if the vote doesn't go their way, see indyref, general election, Scottish election and EU ref. They will show the nasty side of the left and call people all the scum of the earth.

Their popularity is on the slide, too many lies and too many stories about poor services and missed targets are bringing to catch them up.

I do wish the rest of the Scottish assembly would tell Nippy to shut it as she's making an arse of us.

[anonymous-user]

Alpacaman said:

To be honest I felt the same until I moved here, I had spent twenty five years working and having holidays here, I had the odd comment but never felt unwelcome. I must stress I regard myself as British first as I have English, Welsh, Irish and Scottish ancestors, but as the Scottish referendum campaign progressed I found more and more people who felt being anti English was acceptable and would judge you on your accent. Now most people I have met have been warm, generous and friendly, but I suggest you read some of the examples in my earlier post before you try and blame me for the blind ignorance of a portion of the population in my choosen home. Trying to pretend it doesn't exist changes nothing.

I read your earlier post and wouldn't minimise what you have experienced or dismiss it, I can only really go on my own experiences of contracting and holidaying in Scotland which has been positive bar from the afore mentioned banter type interactions. The last time I was hassled up there was not due to me being english it was due to me being on a night out with 25 student nurses from Gartnavel Hospital . (My god they know how to party!)

[sirtyro]

The irony of the Scottish named person policy is that due to EU law it can't happen...oh well.

[blinkythefish]

Wow, talk about misrepresentation of a supreme court verdict:

http://news.scotland.gov.uk/News/Supreme-Court-rul...

lying government making out it got approval for their Stasi-esque scheme said:

Following a legal challenge to the policy , the UK Supreme Court’s judgment:
• Ruled that the principle of providing a named person for every child does not breach human rights and is compatible with EU law
• Rejected the petitioners’ argument that the legislation relates to reserved matters
• Ruled that changes are required to the information-sharing provisions of the Children and Young People (Scotland) Act to make those provisions compatible with Article 8 of the ECHR.

http://stv.tv/news/politics/1362033-supreme-court-rules-named-person-scheme-breaches-human-rights?utm_content=buffer978e4&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer

Justice of the Supreme Court Lord Hodge said:

We reach two conclusions: First, the information-sharing provisions of the 2014 Act are incompatible with the rights of children, young persons and parents under article eight of the European Convention on Human Rights.

Secondly, this provisions may in practice result in disproportionate interference with those rights, with limited safeguards available to individuals affected. As presently drafted, they are at risk of placing those tasked with delivering the scheme on the ground in breach of importance regulations protecting privacy and confidentiality.

[Sylvaforever]

blinkythefish said:

Wow, talk about misrepresentation of a supreme court verdict:

http://news.scotland.gov.uk/News/Supreme-Court-rul...

lying government making out it got approval for their Stasi-esque scheme said:

Following a legal challenge to the policy , the UK Supreme Court’s judgment:
• Ruled that the principle of providing a named person for every child does not breach human rights and is compatible with EU law
• Rejected the petitioners’ argument that the legislation relates to reserved matters
• Ruled that changes are required to the information-sharing provisions of the Children and Young People (Scotland) Act to make those provisions compatible with Article 8 of the ECHR.

http://stv.tv/news/politics/1362033-supreme-court-rules-named-person-scheme-breaches-human-rights?utm_content=buffer978e4&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer

Justice of the Supreme Court Lord Hodge said:

We reach two conclusions: First, the information-sharing provisions of the 2014 Act are incompatible with the rights of children, young persons and parents under article eight of the European Convention on Human Rights.

Secondly, this provisions may in practice result in disproportionate interference with those rights, with limited safeguards available to individuals affected. As presently drafted, they are at risk of placing those tasked with delivering the scheme on the ground in breach of importance regulations protecting privacy and confidentiality.

If I may presume to point you towards my posting of Tuesday, above

[technodup]

And in other news, the smelly tramps have been evicted from Holyrood. Sadly not before wasting who knows how much court time and parliament resources.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/27/sc...


If you're having a bad day these might cheer you up.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZKNEb1W4Dk

This one in particular is brilliant.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JJHldQEby4

Edited by technodup on Thursday 28th July 12:46

[r11co]

blinkythefish said:

Wow, talk about misrepresentation of a supreme court verdict:
"lying government making out it got approval for their Stasi-esque scheme"

The SNP's arrogant disjoint with reality and the rule of law is truly staggering. That's two of their headline initiatives now overruled (highly ironically) by European legislation. Firstly minimum alcohol pricing and now this.

Above all else this highlights the incompetence of their governance. They exist in their position because of the rule of law and it is essential that within their operation they analyse and present initiatives that are compatible with the framework in which they exist.

David Cameron was sensible enough to abandon the idea of miminum alcohol pricing in its infancy because he (or one of his aids presumably) read the relevant legislation and realised it could not happen, and he didn't have to arrogantly waste millions of pounds in legal fees to eventually get a court to tell him.

Incidents like this underline that, regardless of their actual politics, the SNP are simply not up to the job of governance because they either do not understand the rules or think they can 'game' the system.

Edited by r11co on Thursday 28th July 13:24

[Cobnapint]

blinkythefish said:

Wow, talk about misrepresentation of a supreme court verdict:

http://news.scotland.gov.uk/News/Supreme-Court-rul...

lying government making out it got approval for their Stasi-esque scheme said:

Following a legal challenge to the policy , the UK Supreme Court’s judgment:
• Ruled that the principle of providing a named person for every child does not breach human rights and is compatible with EU law
• Rejected the petitioners’ argument that the legislation relates to reserved matters
• Ruled that changes are required to the information-sharing provisions of the Children and Young People (Scotland) Act to make those provisions compatible with Article 8 of the ECHR.

http://stv.tv/news/politics/1362033-supreme-court-rules-named-person-scheme-breaches-human-rights?utm_content=buffer978e4&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer

Justice of the Supreme Court Lord Hodge said:

We reach two conclusions: First, the information-sharing provisions of the 2014 Act are incompatible with the rights of children, young persons and parents under article eight of the European Convention on Human Rights.

Secondly, this provisions may in practice result in disproportionate interference with those rights, with limited safeguards available to individuals affected. As presently drafted, they are at risk of placing those tasked with delivering the scheme on the ground in breach of importance regulations protecting privacy and confidentiality.

Nichola will be along in a minute to tell us that she respects the court's decision, and then go on to tell us how wrong it is and how it will ruin the lives of the Scottish people, of which she as First Minister bla bla, has a mandate bla bla, Tory austerity bla bla....

[SPS]

Well if they do go for a walk about we will at least save on paying SNP's in Westminster Palace - result

[r11co]

Sturgeon is trying desperately to spin this decision as anything other than the death-knell for this legislation. Hubris in the extreme. The arrogance of the woman and her followers knows no bounds.

Supreme Court Judge said:

The first thing that a totalitarian regime tries to do is to get to the children, to distance them from the subversive, varied influences of their families, and indoctrinate them in their rulers’ view of the world.

Damning IMO.

Edited by r11co on Thursday 28th July 19:15