Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 7
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hidetheelephants said:
Little chance of (Scotland) staying in the EU, says unionist shill former SNP minister.
In other news, grass - green, sky - blue, bears s
t in woods, Pope - Catholic ad infinitum.It was never a prospect that Scotland could 'remain' as their membership falls under the umbrella of UK. They would exit along with the rest of the UK, and would need to reapply as an Independant country once/if they decided to separate from the rest of UK.
shakotan said:
hidetheelephants said:
Little chance of (Scotland) staying in the EU, says unionist shill former SNP minister.
In other news, grass - green, sky - blue, bears st in woods, Pope - Catholic ad infinitum.It was never a prospect that Scotland could 'remain' as their membership falls under the umbrella of UK. They would exit along with the rest of the UK, and would need to reapply as an Independant country once/if they decided to separate from the rest of UK.
What Nicola says "I'm going to keep Scotland in the EU. I'm going to call a referendum. I'm going to see Junker and tell him what he's going to do.
I have the power of veto over Brexit."
What Nicola means "I can't do any of that s
t because I don't have the power but the freeeeduuuum tits don't understand that and it keeps my face in the papers everyday looking like I'm fighting for Scotland.HD Adam said:
What Nicola means "I can't do any of that st because I don't have the power but the freeeeduuuum tits don't understand that and it keeps my face in the papers everyday looking like I'm fighting for Scotland.
Indeed. I find this particularly detestable.t because I don't have the power but the freeeeduuuum tits don't understand that and it keeps my face in the papers everyday looking like I'm fighting for Scotland.My father is an immigrant. He came to Scotland in 1969 and immediately got himself a job with a local authority building department. Within months he was promoted to 'gaffer'. Within two years he had left that job and set himself up in business (which he retired from and sold on twenty one years later!) All of this before the UK joined the various EU institutions they are now backing out of.
Nicola Sturgeon's posturing and 're-assurances' are as offensive as they are ineffective and irrelevant.
HD Adam said:
What Nicola means "I can't do any of that st because I don't have the power but the freeeeduuuum tits don't understand that and it keeps my face in the papers everyday looking like I'm fighting for Scotland.
"I'm going to run a second indyref and we'll get straight into the EU once we win. Oh wait we won't? We have to go to the back of the queue like everyone else? Never mind, now I can implement Stasi guards over your kids, like the European Court stopped me doing."t because I don't have the power but the freeeeduuuum tits don't understand that and it keeps my face in the papers everyday looking like I'm fighting for Scotland.Make no mistake though - Sturgeon has her eyes on next year's local council elections and no further. The meaningless and unnecessary 're-assurances' to immigrants is purely a call to them to give the SNP their votes. The ramping up of the false spectre of Indyref 2 is to keep the single-issue-engaged thickos who wouldn't otherwise vote on the hook.
SNP are now the political establishment in Scotland, entrenching their position and behaving in exactly the way they used to accuse their rivals of behaving. Moreso, in fact. The systematic appointment of parliamentary aides to the same committees that will scrutinise their bosses is as anti-democratic as it comes. Their defence? They claim the Lab/LibDem coalition before them did it too, except that they only did it for a couple of key departments and then backed away from it, not applied across the board.
A new kind of politics? They weren't kidding!
It is times like this that I wish the 'independence at any cost' idiots (for there is no other word for them) like Strocky and his ilk weren't banned from posting in this thread, because I would like to see if they (a) comprehend the significance of the parliamentary committee move by the SNP in terms of utterly undermining democracy and, if so, (b) would attempt to justify it.
My (SNP) MP Mhairi Black sits on the UK Work and Pensions Committee in Westminster for precisely the democratic reasons the SNP seek to undermine in their 'own' parliament with this new policy.
SNP are now the political establishment in Scotland, entrenching their position and behaving in exactly the way they used to accuse their rivals of behaving. Moreso, in fact. The systematic appointment of parliamentary aides to the same committees that will scrutinise their bosses is as anti-democratic as it comes. Their defence? They claim the Lab/LibDem coalition before them did it too, except that they only did it for a couple of key departments and then backed away from it, not applied across the board.
A new kind of politics? They weren't kidding!
It is times like this that I wish the 'independence at any cost' idiots (for there is no other word for them) like Strocky and his ilk weren't banned from posting in this thread, because I would like to see if they (a) comprehend the significance of the parliamentary committee move by the SNP in terms of utterly undermining democracy and, if so, (b) would attempt to justify it.
My (SNP) MP Mhairi Black sits on the UK Work and Pensions Committee in Westminster for precisely the democratic reasons the SNP seek to undermine in their 'own' parliament with this new policy.
Edited by r11co on Wednesday 17th August 14:51
Nicola Sturgeon was visiting a Scottish primary school and the class was in the middle of a discussion related to words and their meanings.
The teacher asked Mrs Sturgeon if she would like to lead the discussion on the word 'Tragedy'.
So the illustrious SNP leader asked the class for an example of a 'Tragedy'.
A little boy stood up and offered, "If ma best freen, wha’ lives on a ferm, is playin' in the field and a tractor rins ower him and kills him, that wid be a tragedy."
"Incorrect", said Nicola, in her best trying-not-to-sound-too-patronising-Scottish-accent, "That would be an accident."
A little girl raised her hand, "If a school bus kerryin' fifty children drove ow’r a cliff, killing a'body inside, that wid be a tragedy"
'I'm afraid not', explained Nicola, "that's what we would refer to as a great loss’’.
The room went silent. No other children volunteered. Nicola searched the room.
"Isn't there someone here who can give me an example of a tragedy?"
Finally, at the back of the room, a wee lad raised his hand and, in a quiet voice, said: "If a plane kerryin' you and your deputy ' wiz struck by a 'freendly fire' missile & blawn tae smithereens, that wid be a tragedy."
"Fantastic!" exclaimed Nicola, "and can you tell me why that would be a tragedy?"
"Weel", says the lad, "it has tae be a tragedy, because it certainly widnae be a great loss, and it probably widnae be an accident either!"
Stolen from a facebook post.
r11co said:
My (SNP) MP Mhairi Black sits on the UK Work and Pensions Committee in Westminster for precisely the democratic reasons the SNP seek to undermine in their 'own' parliament with this new policy.
Edited by r11co on Wednesday 17th August 14:51
mikal83 said:
Nicola Sturgeon was visiting a Scottish primary school and the class was in the middle of a discussion related to words and their meanings.
The teacher asked Mrs Sturgeon if she would like to lead the discussion on the word 'Tragedy'.
So the illustrious SNP leader asked the class for an example of a 'Tragedy'.
A little boy stood up and offered, "If ma best freen, wha’ lives on a ferm, is playin' in the field and a tractor rins ower him and kills him, that wid be a tragedy."
"Incorrect", said Nicola, in her best trying-not-to-sound-too-patronising-Scottish-accent, "That would be an accident."
A little girl raised her hand, "If a school bus kerryin' fifty children drove ow’r a cliff, killing a'body inside, that wid be a tragedy"
'I'm afraid not', explained Nicola, "that's what we would refer to as a great loss’’.
The room went silent. No other children volunteered. Nicola searched the room.
"Isn't there someone here who can give me an example of a tragedy?"
Finally, at the back of the room, a wee lad raised his hand and, in a quiet voice, said: "If a plane kerryin' you and your deputy ' wiz struck by a 'freendly fire' missile & blawn tae smithereens, that wid be a tragedy."
"Fantastic!" exclaimed Nicola, "and can you tell me why that would be a tragedy?"
"Weel", says the lad, "it has tae be a tragedy, because it certainly widnae be a great loss, and it probably widnae be an accident either!"
Stolen from a facebook post.
Heard it before - different person involved and not quite so scooootish but still makes me laugh every freaking time - thanksThe teacher asked Mrs Sturgeon if she would like to lead the discussion on the word 'Tragedy'.
So the illustrious SNP leader asked the class for an example of a 'Tragedy'.
A little boy stood up and offered, "If ma best freen, wha’ lives on a ferm, is playin' in the field and a tractor rins ower him and kills him, that wid be a tragedy."
"Incorrect", said Nicola, in her best trying-not-to-sound-too-patronising-Scottish-accent, "That would be an accident."
A little girl raised her hand, "If a school bus kerryin' fifty children drove ow’r a cliff, killing a'body inside, that wid be a tragedy"
'I'm afraid not', explained Nicola, "that's what we would refer to as a great loss’’.
The room went silent. No other children volunteered. Nicola searched the room.
"Isn't there someone here who can give me an example of a tragedy?"
Finally, at the back of the room, a wee lad raised his hand and, in a quiet voice, said: "If a plane kerryin' you and your deputy ' wiz struck by a 'freendly fire' missile & blawn tae smithereens, that wid be a tragedy."
"Fantastic!" exclaimed Nicola, "and can you tell me why that would be a tragedy?"
"Weel", says the lad, "it has tae be a tragedy, because it certainly widnae be a great loss, and it probably widnae be an accident either!"
Stolen from a facebook post.
fluffnik said:
r11co said:
Make no mistake though - Sturgeon has her eyes on next year's local council elections and no further.
Nope.The SNP have always had their eyes on the prize, the end of the UK.
...but each step must be taken on the way.
I can't imagine why anyone here would vote SNP in the council elections next year given the gross selfishness displayed in 2012-13, but then I think the SNP government is a shower of 2nd raters dazzled by their own propaganda; the current wheeze of loading ministerial oversight committees with the scottish equivalent of ministers' PPS is a basic conflict of interest, just the latest in a succession of poor decisions and something which was sensibly prohibited by parliamentary rules, but the rule was abolished in 2007 by Salmond.
voyds9 said:
r11co said:
My (SNP) MP Mhairi Black sits on the UK Work and Pensions Committee in Westminster for precisely the democratic reasons the SNP seek to undermine in their 'own' parliament with this new policy.
Perfect position for her, never worked but soon to be retired?hidetheelephants said:
The SNP government is a shower of 2nd raters dazzled by their own propaganda.
Clearly!r11co said:
according to Pete Wishart (SNP MP) the Scottish National Party does not contain any career politicians.
He said that? WTF is Sturgeon if not a career politician?A couple of years practising law in amongst this, but if she got elected earlier would she even have done that?
From Wiki (with additions)
Sturgeon joined the Scottish National Party (SNP) in 1986, and quickly became their Youth Affairs Vice Convener and Publicity Vice Convener.[9][10] She first stood for election in the 1992 general election as the SNP candidate in the Glasgow Shettleston constituency, and was the youngest parliamentary candidate in Scotland, failing to win the seat.
Sturgeon also stood unsuccessfully as the SNP candidate for the Irvine North ward on Cunninghame District Council in May 1992, for the Baillieston/Mount Vernon ward on Strathclyde Regional Council in 1994, and for the Bridgeton ward on Glasgow City Council in 1995.The 1997 general election saw Sturgeon selected to fight the Glasgow Govan seat for the SNP (and lost again). Shortly after this, Sturgeon was appointed as the SNP's spokesperson for energy and education matters.
Sturgeon stood for election to the Scottish Parliament in the first Scottish Parliament election in 1999 as the SNP candidate for Glasgow Govan. Although she failed to win the seat, she was placed first in the SNP's regional list for the Glasgow region, and was thus elected as a Member of the Scottish Parliament. And we've suffered her ever since. 17 long years listening to her tedious crap.
Her and Salmond then lost the biggest vote in their life 53:47. She then was on the losing side of the Brexit vote. And has since been failing to convince European leaders of her 'special case'.
See a pattern? She should be put out her misery. Hers and ours.
Hackit wee
.fluffnik said:
I don't want anyone deported, but I'd miss brexiters far less than my many euroneighbours and friends.
It's so, so, so backward that you hate the English/Welsh more than people from the EU - your own Country folk. You hate the Union yet you want to join another much, much bigger Union that you would have even less influence in. I'm making an assumption that you are also a very strange person in real life, probably bigoted, confused in your ideals and full of bile. Could have totally misjudged this of course, you could be a regular guy, doubtful though.
Meanwhile..... Founder of foodbank that received donation from Nicola Sturgeon charged with fraud.
That'll be SNP member and activist Julie Webster. What a lightweight though - Natalie McGarry got away with £30,000.
That'll be SNP member and activist Julie Webster. What a lightweight though - Natalie McGarry got away with £30,000.
fluffnik said:
Nope.
The SNP have always had their eyes on the prize, the end of the UK.
...but each step must be taken on the way.
Why was their campaign for independence such a disastrous joke, then?The SNP have always had their eyes on the prize, the end of the UK.
...but each step must be taken on the way.
If they wanted independence they could've had it. But they didn't. They want power from the large minority and no more.
fluffnik said:
The SNP have always had their eyes on the prize, the end of the UK.
I thought independence was the prize? Because they are not one and the same, the UK would remain. Minus the chip on its shoulder.So either you and other SNP supporters are thick as f
k, or we're being misled. Which is it?simoid said:
fluffnik said:
I don't want anyone deported, but I'd miss brexiters far less than my many euroneighbours and friends.
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