Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 7

[r11co]

technodup said:

fluffnik said:

The SNP have always had their eyes on the prize, the end of the UK.

I thought independence was the prize?

The end of the UK is what we have established loony fluffnik thinks is the end-game.

His belief that this is what the SNP are offering goes back to the throes of the referendum campaign when the 'Yes' side were making all sorts of promises to disparate groups, very often in conflict with each other.

Like redistributing wealth to the poor while cutting corporation tax, becoming the 'Saudi Arabia' of renewables to protect the environment while basing the entire economy on oil revenue, being an armament-free state while remaining in NATO, keeping the Queen as the head of state while becoming a republic (this is the particular bullst fluff was sold on).

Unicorns and flying cars were promised too, I believe.

Edited by r11co on Thursday 18th August 17:15

[hidetheelephants]

jimmyjimjim said:

technodup said:

So either you and other SNP supporters are thick as fk, or we're being misled. Which is it?

The two are not mutually exclusive. Especially as the first is a given.

The opinion polls suggest otherwise, but keep on keeping the dream alive; the longer the woad-smeared nutters continue to mither on about it the more they alienate the average voter and throw into sharp relief how mediocre the government are at doing anything they actually have responsibility for.

[r11co]

hidetheelephants said:

jimmyjimjim said:

technodup said:

So either you and other SNP supporters are thick as fk, or we're being misled. Which is it?

The two are not mutually exclusive. Especially as the first is a given.

The opinion polls suggest otherwise, but keep on keeping the dream alive; the longer the woad-smeared nutters continue to mither on about it the more they alienate the average voter and throw into sharp relief how mediocre the government are at doing anything they actually have responsibility for.

I think what jimmyjimjim meant was that SNP supporters being thick as fk is a given, which doesn't exclude their party spokespeople also being 'misleading'.

[fluffnik]

simoid said:

fluffnik said:

I don't want anyone deported, but I'd miss brexiters far less than my many euroneighbours and friends.

Discrimination on the grounds of political beliefs? How lovely.

As I said, I don't want anyone deported, but I can't help feeling that losing the brexiters would have a smaller adverse effect on society and the economy than turfing out the sociable and hard working Europeans who've chosen to make their lives here.

[s2art]

fluffnik said:

simoid said:

fluffnik said:

I don't want anyone deported, but I'd miss brexiters far less than my many euroneighbours and friends.

Discrimination on the grounds of political beliefs? How lovely.

As I said, I don't want anyone deported, but I can't help feeling that losing the brexiters would have a smaller adverse effect on society and the economy than turfing out the sociable and hard working Europeans who've chosen to make their lives here.

Such as all the fishermen, who wanted their waters back.

[technodup]

fluffnik said:

As I said, I don't want anyone deported, but I can't help feeling that losing the brexiters would have a smaller adverse effect on society and the economy than turfing out the sociable and hard working Europeans who've chosen to make their lives here.

Is inverse racism a thing? Because this sounds suspiciously like it to me.

I think some of us Brexiters should campaign to have Yessers deported tbh. Shouldn't be a problem seeing as you love the EU so much. We can dump you in Romania.

[ellroy]

technodup said:

s inverse racism a thing?

Inverse? They just hate the English, simple straightforward rascism deep in their hearts.

Frankly, I'd at least admire them if they'd just admit it.

[A.J.M]

fluffnik said:

As I said, I don't want anyone deported, but I can't help feeling that losing the brexiters would have a smaller adverse effect on society and the economy than turfing out the sociable and hard working Europeans who've chosen to make their lives here.

What happens if the briexiters are sociable and hard working people as well?
Do they still get turfed out?

What about people who voted remain, but don't work and never have for year?
Do they get to stay or get turfed out?

[technodup]

ellroy said:

Inverse? They just hate the English, simple straightforward rascism deep in their hearts.

I don't consider the English a different race though, maybe that's the problem.

Anyway I thought Sturgeon was using summer to start a new campaign for independence? Summer's nearly over and I've heard nothing except hot air about the EU. Bring it on or stfu you stebag wee runt.

[jimmyjimjim]

r11co said:

I think what jimmyjimjim meant was that SNP supporters being thick as fk is a given, which doesn't exclude their party spokespeople also being 'misleading'.

Yup.

[ellroy]

@techno that's because your a reasoned and reasonable human being and the English and Scots are not dissimilar in any meaningful way.

That's also the reason you'll either be exiled or up against the wall come the glorious Caledonian tomorrow!

[hidetheelephants]

jimmyjimjim said:

r11co said:

I think what jimmyjimjim meant was that SNP supporters being thick as fk is a given, which doesn't exclude their party spokespeople also being 'misleading'.

Yup.

Hmm, I've reread that several times and I'm none the wiser as to what I thought I was responding to. My point still stands even if it is a complete non sequitur.

[csd19]

A.J.M said:

fluffnik said:

As I said, I don't want anyone deported, but I can't help feeling that losing the brexiters would have a smaller adverse effect on society and the economy than turfing out the sociable and hard working Europeans who've chosen to make their lives here.

What about people who voted remain, but don't work and never have for year?
Do they get to stay or get turfed out?

If they get turfed out then there go the SNP voters...

[r11co]

technodup said:

Bring it on or stfu you stebag wee runt.

Nicola Sturgeon 'considered calling snap independence referendum' in wake of Brexit.

...and if my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle.

Still, I suppose Sturgeon has to keep pretending she meant it to keep the thick as fk support on the hook.

[A.J.M]

csd19 said:

A.J.M said:

fluffnik said:

As I said, I don't want anyone deported, but I can't help feeling that losing the brexiters would have a smaller adverse effect on society and the economy than turfing out the sociable and hard working Europeans who've chosen to make their lives here.

What about people who voted remain, but don't work and never have for year?
Do they get to stay or get turfed out?

If they get turfed out then there go the SNP voters...

Be funny if it wasn't true....

[wobert]

r11co said:

technodup said:

Bring it on or stfu you stebag wee runt.

Nicola Sturgeon 'considered calling snap independence referendum' in wake of Brexit.

...and if my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle.

Still, I suppose Sturgeon has to keep pretending she meant it to keep the thick as fk support on the hook.

And there me thinking it was only the UK Prime Minister that had the authority to do so.....

[simoid]

If fluffnik said:

As I said, I don't want anyone deported, but I can't help feeling that losing the brexitersJews would have a smaller adverse effect on society and the economy than turfing out the sociable and hard working Europeans who've chosen to make their lives here.

[simoid]

wobert said:

And there me thinking it was only the UK Prime Minister that had the authority to do so.....

Parliament I suspect...

[Edinburger]

Oh my god!! What's wrong with you lot?!

All these years on and you STILL think the SNP and/or Scottish nationalism is all about:

- blatant racism
- a hatred of the English
- only supported by stupid people

You're just making yourself look naive and, quite frankly, silly. There was even a mention of the German Nazi party there! Dear oh dear.

PS And techno is a Brexiter...!!

[Welshbeef]

Edinburger said:

Oh my god!! What's wrong with you lot?!

All these years on and you STILL think the SNP and/or Scottish nationalism is all about:

- blatant racism
- a hatred of the English
- only supported by stupid people

You're just making yourself look naive and, quite frankly, silly. There was even a mention of the German Nazi party there! Dear oh dear.

PS And techno is a Brexiter...!!

If it looks like a duck quacks like a duck and walks like a duck it's probably a duck.


Happy for someone to actually tell us what it is they actually want and why they still refuse to accept the settled will of the Scottish people.
If you want another referendum ask formally to the UK govt they may or may not accept as it was clear what he terms of the first vote was


The sole reason I've ever heard is not indirect rule ie Westminster being the real boss , fine but then oddly SNP like EU which has a far bigger boss with vastly more rules. That's a strange concept for the voter to accept as you are simply saying we don't want to be part of a union but hey we do want to be in a union we don't want people telling us what to do but hey we do want people telling and demanding we do things.