Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 7

Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 7

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Borghetto

3,274 posts

184 months

Tuesday 23rd August 2016
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contango said:
Let's look out for squirrel in the news to play it down...... "Sturgeon demands"...something to do with Brexit and Europe....etc...
Funny you should say that....http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-37158722

r11co

6,244 posts

231 months

Tuesday 23rd August 2016
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Borghetto said:
She's a bit late on the 'blame Brexit' bandwagon, isn't she?! Of course none of the problems will have anything to do at all with SNP economic mismanagement.

This announcement is so transparent it is laughable, and the range of figures are so wildly extreme they are clearly guesswork. Thing is, though, a large proportion of SNP voters are anti-Europe too because they are true to the core beliefs of the Nationalists as expressed by Jim Sillars. Sturgeon has nailed her colours to the EU mast and that stands to lose her as more support amongst the faithful as it would win over any potential waverers.

HD Adam

5,154 posts

185 months

Tuesday 23rd August 2016
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r11co said:
Borghetto said:
She's a bit late on the 'blame Brexit' bandwagon, isn't she?! Of course none of the problems will have anything to do at all with SNP economic mismanagement.

This announcement is so transparent it is laughable, and the range of figures are so wildly extreme they are clearly guesswork. Thing is, though, a large proportion of SNP voters are anti-Europe too because they are true to the core beliefs of the Nationalists as expressed by Jim Sillars. Sturgeon has nailed her colours to the EU mast and that stands to lose her as more support amongst the faithful as it would win over any potential waverers.
Doesn't want to be ruled by people 500 miles away that they cannot elect.

Happy to be ruled by people 800 miles away they cannot elect.

Complains about being dragged out of a union with the EU and what it will cost the Scottish economy.

Happy to leave a union with its biggest export market and benefactor and doesn't care what it will cost the Scottish economy.

That's SNPwang silly

blinkythefish

972 posts

258 months

Tuesday 23rd August 2016
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Expect an imminent "45" Tesco boycott:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-37164237

Borghetto

3,274 posts

184 months

Tuesday 23rd August 2016
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Just checked my Tesco strawberries -Leics - so I should be alright to eat them guilt free.

r11co

6,244 posts

231 months

Wednesday 24th August 2016
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Looks like the media haven't taken the squirrel-bate. BBC have ignored Sturgeon's doom-and-gloom Brexit figures and are eagerly awaiting today's GERS figures, predicting another shortfall.

I'm sure more than one reporter has spotted the irony in Nicola Sturgeon quoting the exact same research that George Osborne used before the EU refereundum adjusted per-capita for Scotland.

Welshbeef

49,633 posts

199 months

Wednesday 24th August 2016
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What time GMT is it published?

Rollin

6,095 posts

246 months

Wednesday 24th August 2016
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r11co said:
Looks like the media haven't taken the squirrel-bate. BBC have ignored Sturgeon's doom-and-gloom Brexit figures and are eagerly awaiting today's GERS figures, predicting another shortfall.

I'm sure more than one reporter has spotted the irony in Nicola Sturgeon quoting the exact same research that George Osborne used before the EU refereundum adjusted per-capita for Scotland.
It's strange how she didn't release info like this before the indy ref. Scotland would have been out of the EU if it had been a yes vote.

csd19

2,192 posts

118 months

Wednesday 24th August 2016
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And the nonsense continues to flow...

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/sturgeon-weeks-a...

She can continue with this line all she wants, as we know it will be down to Parliament to decide if and when another referendum can be announced. I wonder if she has realised that May will not roll over as easily as Cameron did for IndyRef mk1?? jester

FN2TypeR

7,091 posts

94 months

Wednesday 24th August 2016
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"For the past two months Scottish government officials have been drafting a bill that would authorise a second referendum.

They can't, it's a reserved power rofl

There won't be a time table, just a few ifs, whens and maybes, got to keep banging the drum so the faithful don't lose interest.

GreigM

6,728 posts

250 months

Wednesday 24th August 2016
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FN2TypeR said:
"For the past two months Scottish government officials have been drafting a bill that would authorise a second referendum.
At what point can we object to the use of taxpayer money to fund what is obviously a party political aim? As pointed out, this is not a power within their remit and they are clearly using non-party money to fund this "drafting" of a bill which can go nowhere. Add that to Sturgeon's flying all over Europe for her party purposes and not for genuine parliamentary business. Do they forget they lost 2 years ago? Do they forget they are a minority government?

Welshbeef

49,633 posts

199 months

Wednesday 24th August 2016
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So 2015/16 deficit is £14.8billion

Oil was pretty much zero but onshore growth yielded £1.6b more tax to counter it.

Borghetto

3,274 posts

184 months

Wednesday 24th August 2016
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Welshbeef said:
So 2015/16 deficit is £14.8billion

Oil was pretty much zero but onshore growth yielded £1.6b more tax to counter it.
So that's about £3000 per head of population then.

Welshbeef

49,633 posts

199 months

Wednesday 24th August 2016
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So straight after the GERS sturgeon has announced within 2 weeks legislation will be prepared for Indy ref 2


Settled will of the people mean little to her

Hope those who voted SNP and thought they will never do Indy again have been truly lied to.

simoid

19,772 posts

159 months

Wednesday 24th August 2016
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Shall we play a game? I've arranged a wee graph from the Scottish Government's figures. Perhaps our resident fans of independence (or others, if the independence masochists have gone quiet) can tell us what it is:


Borghetto

3,274 posts

184 months

Wednesday 24th August 2016
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Simoid, does your graph show the amount of income from oil that an indy Scotland would have received? Those blasted English have cooked the books again

simoid

19,772 posts

159 months

Wednesday 24th August 2016
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Not quite. The calculation figures do include the actual oil revenue based on Scotland's geographical share though...

r11co

6,244 posts

231 months

Wednesday 24th August 2016
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Welshbeef said:
So straight after the GERS sturgeon has announced within 2 weeks legislation will be prepared for Indy ref 2.
What a crock. SNP - the one trick pony.

This will of course require independence to be debated ad-nauseum in Holyrood, thus ensuring the topic remains in the news and the knuckledragging support stay on the hook.

That the legislation will be unlawful and unenforceable under the Scotland Agreement (not to mention EU and UN conventions also) is pretty much a given, and hasn't stopped the SNP wasting time on useless bills in the past.

Meanwhile, Scotland sinks further under SNP mismanagement. It really says a lot of the non-indy supporting SNP voter that this is the way they want to be governed.

simoid

19,772 posts

159 months

Wednesday 24th August 2016
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The other parties should just totally ignore any independence calls as it's just diversionary trolling on the part of Sturgeon et al. Nail them for their failings everywhere else.

MikeT66

2,680 posts

125 months

Wednesday 24th August 2016
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contango said:
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Just to add, disappointed that Tesco no longer show the saltire on products, if I ever went near the place it would have been easy to avoid purchasing. They are getting sneaky, it is easy to steer clear of scottish salmon and aberdeen beef, maybe they will be rebranded next? wink

Fair point (and probably in jest) - I decided against booking a B&B purely on the fact it was adorned with SNP banners last year, but I'd imagine that most decent businesses were actually against Independence proposals, actually. I'm sure the whiskey distillers were, at any rate. Most would be aware of where their biggest customers where, so I don't mind supporting those with a more sensible view of the Union at all.
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