Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 7

[Sway]

Edinburger said:

simoid said:

technodup said:

Edinburger said:

Until this financial year, my earnings have never been.m included as I've always paid via English tax offices as I've worked for Engliah companies.

Will that make up the shortfall?

Hold on - burger works in England but lives in Scotland? And paid tax through an English tax office? Who knew!?

Not quite clever clogs.

I live in Scotland, working for a company based in England, working all over the UK.

Point is that until 'S' tax codes were created, all my income was counted as English tax.

In the same way that all UK employees of RBS were counted as Scottish tax and all UK employees of Tesco were counted as English tax regardless of where they live. Etc., etc.

Memory lane, eh?

As an ex employee of RBS, if you're basing this assertion on the tax office that administered my income tax, you're completely wrong...

[r11co]

Edinburger said:

r11co said:

Edinburger said:

Yep. Cycle. Take that back to 1960.

I'll call your 1960, and raise you 1699.

Sadly, meaningful records don't go back that far.

Historical revisionism?! Are you telling me that the records of Scotland's bankruptcy following the failed Darien Scheme don't exist?

More pish from an SNP acolyte. You do yourself no favours when you come up with glib and ignorant responses like that, 'burger.

[Welshbeef]

r11co said:

Historical revisionism?! Are you telling me that the records of Scotland's bankruptcy following the failed Darien Scheme don't exist?

More pish from an SNP acolyte. You do yourself no favours when you come up with glib and ignorant responses like that, 'burger.

Inflation adjusted what was the value of the Darian bailout?

[csd19]

Welshbeef said:

r11co said:

Historical revisionism?! Are you telling me that the records of Scotland's bankruptcy following the failed Darien Scheme don't exist?

More pish from an SNP acolyte. You do yourself no favours when you come up with glib and ignorant responses like that, 'burger.

Inflation adjusted what was the value of the Darian bailout?

Inflation calculators such as the BoE only go back to 1750 with interest rates, so if we go from 1751 (on the calculator that worked) the 1707 bailout of 398k worked out at just under 80 million gbp today.

[Welshbeef]

csd19 said:

Welshbeef said:

r11co said:

Historical revisionism?! Are you telling me that the records of Scotland's bankruptcy following the failed Darien Scheme don't exist?

More pish from an SNP acolyte. You do yourself no favours when you come up with glib and ignorant responses like that, 'burger.

Inflation adjusted what was the value of the Darian bailout?

Inflation calculators such as the BoE only go back to 1750 with interest rates, so if we go from 1751 (on the calculator that worked) the 1707 bailout of 398k worked out at just under 80 million gbp today.

Christ that show you just how small Scotland was - why didn't the BOS simply print some more cash as it would be such a negligible amount.

Guess the gold standard helped out.

[Welshbeef]

contango said:

Come on, don't be so harsh on burger, as ever he is on here trolling, surely you can't even begin to take him seriously?
Just expect the usual spurious BS posted as apparent fact?

I like him even though we have a rocky history .

[technodup]

contango said:

Just expect the usual spurious BS posted as apparent fact?

Now, now. He's a Hibs fan and SNP cheerleader who pays tax in a foreign land so you can forgive him for being a bit confused. It'd be a ste set of circumstances for anyone tbf.

[Hainey]

technodup said:

contango said:

Just expect the usual spurious BS posted as apparent fact?

Now, now. He's a Hibs fan and SNP cheerleader who pays tax in a foreign land so you can forgive him for being a bit confused. It'd be a ste set of circumstances for anyone tbf.

Hibs fan? All is now clear...

[glazbagun]

Welshbeef said:

Christ that show you just how small Scotland was - why didn't the BOS simply print some more cash as it would be such a negligible amount.

Guess the gold standard helped out.

It wasn't all about a bailout- that was the carrot. The stick was introducing the Alien Act, which embargoed Scottish products in England and her colonies (so their biggest market) and threatened the English lands held by Scottish Lords. It was the English pushing for union to protect their choice of monarch.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alien_Act_1705

The money was also to offset the fact that Scottish taxes would go up along with other costs to Scotland. Indeed, initially Scotlands economy got even worse after Union as everyone with money moved down south.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Equivalent

Edited by glazbagun on Saturday 27th August 06:17

[confused_buyer]

Edinburger said:

Not quite clever clogs.

I live in Scotland, working for a company based in England, working all over the UK.

I can certainly see the problem if you live in one, EU member country, with one currency, immigration laws, borders and tax regulations and work in another non-EU member country with another currency, different laws, over an international border etc.

From your personal point of view independence - particularly now the UK is leaving the EU - would be a massive life changer.

[confused_buyer]

Nick Grant said:

Really? I thought they had based it on the employee's local tax office.

Local tax offices do not exist. Where they haven't been closed down they exist in name only.

It is all done on your post code and any tax office can deal with anyone's tax.

[FN2TypeR]

Edinburger said:

FN2TypeR said:

simoid said:

Edinburger said:

Take it back to the pre oil boom years in the interests of fairness.

It's all finger in the air anyway. Until this financial year, my earnings have never been.m included as I've always paid via English tax offices as I've worked for Engliah companies.

I reckon the figures are accurate to 1%.

No doubt he would agree with you if they were favourable towards his hilarious cause.

Alas, they aren't.

Interesting. What is my "hilarious cause" exactly?

This should be good.

Well, you appear to be a supporter of an iScotland, which, in just about every way it has been presented by those who support it, including Yes Scotland, has been hilarious and useless in equal measure, in my modest opinion.

[SPS]

Are they there yet?!

[Cobnapint]

I'm in Edinburgh at the moment.

Have to say, what a fking brilliant city, with friendly locals, lots of character, lots of totty, and the Fringe to boot.

Such a shame that it is run by such a hateful bunch of vindictive assholes who really are doing this place such a disservice.

[ellroy]

Cobnapint said:

I'm in Edinburgh at the moment.

I misread that and nearly threw up.

[Cobnapint]

ellroy said:

Cobnapint said:

I'm in Edinburgh at the moment.

I misread that and nearly threw up.

Thanks. I've gotta eat my Premier Inn breakfast in a minute.

[gofasterrosssco]

So we're on to plan 'C' now..?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-pol...

[HD Adam]

It's genius, isn't it?

SNP said:

A spokesman for the SNP said: "Any change in policy on currency would be required ‎to go through the normal party processes - but we agree with Professor Stiglitz that we should not join the euro.

Ok, wants to stay in or join the EU where you have to use the Euro but won't be using the Euro

Murdo Fraser said:

"There is a simple solution for the SNP on the currency. It's called the UK pound and most people in Scotland would like to keep it

Hmmmm, wants independence but won't have the power to set interest rates or any other monetary policy.
Very independent

I thought the education system was supposed to be good in Scotland

[r11co]

Murdo Fraser said:

"There is a simple solution for the SNP on the currency. It's called the UK pound and most people in Scotland would like to keep it

...and the only way to ensure that happens is never to vote for independence from the UK. That was either a shot-in-the-foot by Murdo or the clearest indication yet that the SNP don't really want to win a second referendum.

[ralphrj]

Edinburger said:

It's all finger in the air anyway. Until this financial year, my earnings have never been.m included as I've always paid via English tax offices as I've worked for Engliah companies.

The location of the tax office or the address of the head office of the employer was never used to calculate the split of income tax across England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland.

HMRC carry out a survey of (500,000+) taxpayers across the UK and multiply the total income tax receipts by the result.