Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 7

[GreigM]

HD Adam said:

I thought the education system was supposed to be good in Scotland

Not since there was an SNP first minister.

[technodup]

r11co said:

Murdo Fraser said:

"There is a simple solution for the SNP on the currency. It's called the UK pound and most people in Scotland would like to keep it

...and the only way to ensure that happens is never to vote for independence from the UK. That was either a shot-in-the-foot by Murdo or the clearest indication yet that the SNP don't really want to win a second referendum.

Murdo Fraser is a Tory. He means keep the pound and the UK.

Unless I've missed his conversion to the dark side.

[r11co]

technodup said:

urdo Fraser is a Tory. He means keep the pound and the UK.

Unless I've missed his conversion to the dark side.

Ooops! Fair point.

[technodup]

See how a decade of the SNP has improved your lot. Fill your boots.

http://simd.scot/2016/#/simd2016/BTTTFTT/9/-4.0000...

[Edinburger]

GreigM said:

HD Adam said:

I thought the education system was supposed to be good in Scotland

Not since there was an SNP first minister.

Is our educational system really as bad as some people make out? How does it compare to other similar countries' education?

[mikebradford]

technodup said:

See how a decade of the SNP has improved your lot. Fill your boots.

http://simd.scot/2016/#/simd2016/BTTTFTT/9/-4.0000...

That link is very impressive.
Based on the info it does put the Scottish economy into perspective

[ZX10R NIN]

mikebradford said:

technodup said:

See how a decade of the SNP has improved your lot. Fill your boots.

http://simd.scot/2016/#/simd2016/BTTTFTT/9/-4.0000...

That link is very impressive.
Based on the info it does put the Scottish economy into perspective

There really isn't an argument against that.

[csd19]

ZX10R NIN said:

mikebradford said:

technodup said:

See how a decade of the SNP has improved your lot. Fill your boots.

http://simd.scot/2016/#/simd2016/BTTTFTT/9/-4.0000...

That link is very impressive.
Based on the info it does put the Scottish economy into perspective

There really isn't an argument against that.

Don't worry, there'll be someone along in a minute to tell you it's all the fault of the bd English Westminster...

[Nick Grant]

csd19 said:

Don't worry, there'll be someone along in a minute to tell you it's all the fault of the bd English Westminster...

As has been discussed on the thread before, all the red areas on that map vote for YeSNP so they have no incentive to make those areas better.

[technodup]

Frankly I was a bit surprised and disappointed. Whilst where I was born and raised is the darkest blue where I am now is only 7th, in spite of it having some of the most expensive housing in Glasgow, if not Scotland. I suspect know for a fact some naughty boys aren't declaring everything.

[GreigM]

Edinburger said:

GreigM said:

HD Adam said:

I thought the education system was supposed to be good in Scotland

Not since there was an SNP first minister.

Is our educational system really as bad as some people make out? How does it compare to other similar countries' education?

I can only speak as a parent of a child in Primary school, but yes it is that bad and getting worse. Schools are massively underfunded and overburdened with regulations and directives.

[r11co]

Edinburger said:

Is our educational system really as bad as some people make out? How does it compare to other similar countries' education?

Yes, it absolutely is. Education and Social Services in Scotland have respectively adopted models that were touted (with no empirical evidence but a lot of hype from enthusiastic 'experts') as revolutionary/inclusive and were tried and then abandoned in the few other territories who lacked the foresight to see that the proposals were snake oil and reject them from the outset.

Outcome Based Education (which when the Scottish Government decided to adopt rebranded it 'Curriculum for Excellence' to put casual researchers off the scent) was dismissed as a failure in South Africa, Australia and certain states of the USA, but Scotland still believes it can make a success of it and continues to talk it up in a positive light, even though it is an exceptionally inefficient, inconsistent and bureaucratically onerous way of learning and teaching and relies on students 'jumping hurdles' rather than learning transferrable, life-long skills.

It has been largely a failed social experiment in Scotland, with the result being that the attainment gap has widened because those who have the ability to learn will learn despite the flawed system, and those who would benefit from more established methods of learning are being left behind.

[bp1]

technodup said:

Frankly I was a bit surprised and disappointed. Whilst where I was born and raised is the darkest blue where I am now is only 7th, in spite of it having some of the most expensive housing in Glasgow, if not Scotland. I suspect know for a fact some naughty boys aren't declaring everything.

Where I grew up is yellow - middle of the road, where I am now is a small area of the darkest blue surrounded by bright red

[A.J.M]

technodup said:

See how a decade of the SNP has improved your lot. Fill your boots.

http://simd.scot/2016/#/simd2016/BTTTFTT/9/-4.0000...

My LA of North Lanarkshire is a sea of red, orange and yellow broken up with islands of blue.

Says it all really.
My own village is more red, orange and yellow with only 2 blue bits.
Decile 8 quintile 4 for my own patch.

[bigkeeko]

I lived previously in an area that is nearer the poorer side of the scale according to that map. 2s, 3s and 4s.

In truth the place was spotless, nearly everybody worked and most of the houses were bought/extended and well kept. It hasn't changed. Not sure what to make of that to be honest.

[Cobnapint]

Just on the BBC, Nichola Sturgeon is to announce a new drive for Scottish Independence later today.

Is this a newer version of the 'new drive' she announced in March, or a new newer version of the 'new drive' she announced in June?

Or is she that desperate for airtime she has to repeat herself every 3 months?

New drivel more like.

[csd19]

Cobnapint said:

Just on the BBC, Nichola Sturgeon is to announce a new drive for Scottish Independence later today.

Is this a newer version of the 'new drive' she announced in March, or a new newer version of the 'new drive' she announced in June?

Or is she that desperate for airtime she has to repeat herself every 3 months?

New drivel more like.

Unveiling a "listening drive" to gauge support for a second referendum.

They may well listen, but they'll pay no attention to the message delivered by the public anyway. Too busy trying to completely destroy Scotland (that's education, the Police & Fire, the NHS all fked so far) and any new rantings of a referendum just guarantee to keep any foreign investment away.

Like you said, things must've gone a tad quiet on the news front, she's obviously craving front page attention.

[technodup]

A listening exercise? Did she not listen to 55% of us last time? Or the majority who voted Tory? Or the 52% of Brexiters? Or the polls that show a clear majority for wanting in the UK and out the EU?

Her trouble is she only listens to what she wants to hear.

Whereas she could be listening to some of her constituents and sorting out the slum that is her patch.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west...

She's a desperate wee wk.

[Leithen]

More preaching to the converted. Nothing more. Politics 101 - try everything to subdue any dissent and keep the faithful in line.

It's always been divide and rule. Thank fk their share of the division seems to be getting smaller. Incompetent morons.

[AstonZagato]

Bad news for Nicola (if she is listening) in today's Times:
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/scots-again...
https://yougov.co.uk/news/2016/09/01/davidson-now-...


Independence:
"Yet appetite for her independence policy remains limited. The first minister had hoped that the UK vote for Brexit would shift views in her favour but 54 per cent still back the Union, while support for independence is at 46 per cent. The figure has barely shifted in the two years since Scots voted to remain in the UK by 55 per cent to 45 per cent."

Economy:
"Damningly, 49 per cent of all voters think that Scotland benefits economically from being part of the UK, while only 23 per cent think it is harmed. An analysis of the results shows that not even a majority of those who voted “yes” in 2014 believe that Scotland is hurt financially by the Union, while 18 per cent think it benefits."

Personal Approval:
"In a stunning shift, Ruth Davidson, the Scottish Conservative leader, now has a higher net personal approval rating than Ms Sturgeon, the SNP leader."
Ruth Davidson: +21
Nicola Sturgeon: +20
Theresa May: +13 (Cameron was -42)
Kesia Dugdale: -17
Jeremy Corbyn: -42