Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 7

[Nick Grant]

AstonZagato said:

Kesia Dugdale: -17
Jeremy Corbyn: -42

Labour will never win in Westmister with those kind of numbers. I'm amazed that they don't focus more attention in Scotland as they need it so desperately.

[technodup]

Nick Grant said:

Labour will never win in Westmister with those kind of numbers. I'm amazed that they don't focus more attention in Scotland as they need it so desperately.

As long as England stays blue I'd be more than happy for Labour to pump resources into Scotland to boost themselves and stem the tide of the SNP.

I'd vote for it. I did last time. I'd vote for a monkey in a dress if it meant less SNP.

[wobert]

From the BBC website:

She said there was a "democratic deficit" at the heart of the Westminster system, and the fundamental question was whether Scotland should control its own destiny as a country, or "will we always be at the mercy of decisions taken elsewhere".

So swapping "Westminster" for "Brussels" solves that problem then?

Has she considered the "financial deficit" Edinburgh has with rUK, oh no, that doesn't matter either......

Numpty!

[r11co]

Cobnapint said:

Just on the BBC, Nichola Sturgeon is to announce a new drive for Scottish Independence later today.

Is this a newer version of the 'new drive' she announced in March, or a new newer version of the 'new drive' she announced in June?

csd19 said:

Unveiling a "listening drive" to gauge support for a second referendum.

In other words keep the referendum carrot dangling in the faces of the 'single-issue-engaged-knuckledraggers' (about time I trademarked that phrase) so that they won't go back to being disinterested in voting at all, in an attempt to hold on to power for as long as possible and enjoy the spoils, which shouldn't be so difficult while Labour continues their long, slow self-destruction.

SNP are looking to next year's local authority elections (which have sweet fk all to do with independence) and are hoping to oust the controlling Labour party in major cities such as Glasgow so they can shoe-horn their own cronies into council jobs and get the councils back into line with the sham COSLA dictatorship thus effectively by-passing accountability for local services.

As for the 'listening exercise', it is a meaningless distraction from the issues affecting Scotland, so just another stalling tactic to avoid enacting proper governance, so SNP business as usual.

Edited by r11co on Friday 2nd September 13:00

[rev-erend]

Cobnapint said:

Just on the BBC, Nichola Sturgeon is to announce a new drive for Scottish Independence later today.

Is this a newer version of the 'new drive' she announced in March, or a new newer version of the 'new drive' she announced in June?

Or is she that desperate for airtime she has to repeat herself every 3 months?

New drivel more like.

It's a shame she does not spend more time being a leader and sort out the spending deficit .. rather than spending every living
moment trying to drum up support for independance.

[GreigM]

rev-erend said:

It's a shame she does not spend more time being a leader and sort out the spending deficit .. rather than spending every living
moment trying to drum up support for independance.

Indeed, I had assumed there would be some rules about how much time ministers can spend on party political issues versus actually doing the job of running the country. She seems to represent the SNP first and Scotland second, surely it should be the other way around?

[r11co]

GreigM said:

rev-erend said:

It's a shame she does not spend more time being a leader and sort out the spending deficit .. rather than spending every living
moment trying to drum up support for independance.

Indeed, I had assumed there would be some rules about how much time ministers can spend on party political issues versus actually doing the job of running the country. She seems to represent the SNP first and Scotland second, surely it should be the other way around?

She would argue that independence IS in Scotland's interests and therefor pushing for it is working for Scotland.

I have a problem with the amount of time she spends on issues that are clearly reserved matters and she has no authority over. ANY time spent on them is wasted time, regardless of the SNP saying that decisions made about them have knock-on consequences for matters that are within Holyrood's jurisdiction.

Also, appointing ministers to positions regarding these reserved matters is by definition appointing people to non-jobs, all of this coming out of Scotland's budget.

[Cobnapint]

rev-erend said:

It's a shame she does not spend more time being a leader and sort out the spending deficit .. rather than spending every living
moment trying to drum up support for independance.

Sorting out the pavements and the bins in Edinburgh would be a start.

[bigkeeko]

Just incase anyone hasn't seen this. The SNP are looking for info in a survey.


http://www.survey2016.scot/take_the_survey

[technodup]

bigkeeko said:

Just incase anyone hasn't seen this. The SNP are looking for info in a survey.


http://www.survey2016.scot/take_the_survey

Please, are you sure you don't want to be independent? What if...

I've done it but it's a waste of time, these things are always skewed by the more motivated party, ie. Yessers. But I suppose that's exactly what she wants to listen to.

............fking .

[Cobnapint]

Nothing against the Scots, but if most don't want Independence, and it's generally recognised that the SNP are fking useless at government - why the flying juddering fook do they keep voting for them..?

[BlackLabel]

Cobnapint said:

Nothing against the Scots, but if most don't want Independence, and it's generally recognised that the SNP are fking useless at government - why the flying juddering fook do they keep voting for them..?

The majority of Scottish voters do not vote for the SNP however they get all the pro independence voters voting for them while the pro union vote is split between all the other parties.

The pro indy block don't care how good the SNP are at governing - as long as they keep promising to "fight for independence" the idiots will vote for them.

[GreigM]

bigkeeko said:

Just incase anyone hasn't seen this. The SNP are looking for info in a survey.


http://www.survey2016.scot/take_the_survey

Why on earth does it need your name/address/postcode? Asking for this information will wildly bias their results towards pro-independence and completely invalidate any statistical analysis of the results.

[Borghetto]

GreigM said:

Why on earth does it need your name/address/postcode? Asking for this information will wildly bias their results towards pro-independence and completely invalidate any statistical analysis of the results.

Without that information you'll get a tidal wave of people south of the border giving their opinions - a bit like the Corbyn election with Tories having a larf.

[George111]

Borghetto said:

GreigM said:

Why on earth does it need your name/address/postcode? Asking for this information will wildly bias their results towards pro-independence and completely invalidate any statistical analysis of the results.

Without that information you'll get a tidal wave of people south of the border giving their opinions - a bit like the Corbyn election with Tories having a larf.

Easy to find a postcode in Scotland and submit your opinion. We're entitled to do that as independence will affect us as well as the Scotts. I've done it.

[Einion Yrth]

George111 said:

GreigM said:

Why on earth does it need your name/address/postcode? Asking for this information will wildly bias their results towards pro-independence and completely invalidate any statistical analysis of the results.

Easy to find a postcode in Scotland and submit your opinion. We're entitled to do that as independence will affect us as well as the Scotts. I've done it.

re: bolded.
Looks like it.

[Big Rod]

Borghetto said:

GreigM said:

Why on earth does it need your name/address/postcode? Asking for this information will wildly bias their results towards pro-independence and completely invalidate any statistical analysis of the results.

Without that information you'll get a tidal wave of people south of the border giving their opinions - a bit like the Corbyn election with Tories having a larf.

And it doesn't ask for your exact address, just your postcode and email address.

My postcode covers about a half mile square so I'm not too worried about an angry mob arriving at my door.

So I've filled it out in the hope that my tuppence worth might deflect the onslaught of another circus.

[technodup]

I know she's busy so I've just filled it in for Nicola, of Bute House, EH2 4DR.

A list of MSP email addresses may be here... choose one and pick a postcode, any postcode...

http://www.parliament.scot/parliamentarybusiness/2...

[Big Rod]

technodup said:

I know she's busy so I've just filled it in for Nicola, of Bute House, EH2 4DR.

A list of MSP email addresses may be here... choose one and pick a postcode, any postcode...

http://www.parliament.scot/parliamentarybusiness/2...

Wonderful!

[arp1]

Why are you English so opposed to Scottish independence? Unless its down to cold hard cash...