Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 7

[technodup]

Cobnapint said:

What's wrong with a bus. No extra infrastructure required, and it can go where it fking likes..!

Exactly. How many buses would £750m buy?

I think we should maybe get a funicular railway for Glasgow, those hills can be quite steep. I mean it would be expensive, pointless and cause massive disruption but that didn't bother Edinburgh.

And as for that link about the speed limit. Who gives a fk about carbon whatsits? Yet another example of something they should leave the fk alone. That stupid wee talking shop has all the powers it needs to do actual stuff like raise more money and all it ever does is piss around with poxy wee initiatives like that, to save some trees somewhere. Except not Scottish trees because we've hardly got any. s.

It's a fking despicable waste of money. Bonfire night's coming up. The inside is all wood. I have the beginnings of a plan...

[technodup]

This is good.

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/indy-fear-prompt...

“The SNP Government does not have a mandate to take Dumfries and Galloway out of the United Kingdom against its will.”

I'd almost be up for the idea of independence if it meant her only getting a wee bit of Scotland to herself. She can have Moray, Sutherland, Inverness, and Aberdeenshire. We'll keep Aberdeen itself though.

[ABZ RS6]

technodup said:

This is good.

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/indy-fear-prompt...

“The SNP Government does not have a mandate to take Dumfries and Galloway out of the United Kingdom against its will.”

I'd almost be up for the idea of independence if it meant her only getting a wee bit of Scotland to herself. She can have Moray, Sutherland, Inverness, and Aberdeenshire. We'll keep Aberdeen itself though.

Bugger that, let the crankie have the weegies and Dundee and kiss them goodbye.

[R1gtr]

technodup said:

This is good.

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/indy-fear-prompt...

“The SNP Government does not have a mandate to take Dumfries and Galloway out of the United Kingdom against its will.”

I'd almost be up for the idea of independence if it meant her only getting a wee bit of Scotland to herself. She can have Moray, Sutherland, Inverness, and Aberdeenshire. We'll keep Aberdeen itself though.

She can't have Inverness, let her take Glasgow and Dundee and the rest can stay part of the UK

[technodup]

Nah, geographically she'd want the bit farthest from England. Any UK'OKers up there can come down the road. And the plebs can go up to the hills. Glasgow might be a bit empty though.

[R1gtr]

ABZ RS6 said:

Bugger that, let the crankie have the weegies and Dundee and kiss them goodbye.

Great minds!!

[ABZ RS6]

R1gtr said:

Great minds!!

Too right!

[simoid]

technodup said:

Cobnapint said:

What's wrong with a bus. No extra infrastructure required, and it can go where it fking likes..!

Exactly. How many buses would £750m buy?

I think we should maybe get a funicular railway for Glasgow, those hills can be quite steep. I mean it would be expensive, pointless and cause massive disruption but that didn't bother Edinburgh.

And as for that link about the speed limit. Who gives a fk about carbon whatsits? Yet another example of something they should leave the fk alone. That stupid wee talking shop has all the powers it needs to do actual stuff like raise more money and all it ever does is piss around with poxy wee initiatives like that, to save some trees somewhere. Except not Scottish trees because we've hardly got any. s.

It's a fking despicable waste of money. Bonfire night's coming up. The inside is all wood. I have the beginnings of a plan...

I did the sums a while ago for this thread, IIRC its about £100m-£150m per year to run the Lothian Buses. Free buses for many a year instead of trams...

I can't believe anyone who spends any time in Edinburgh thinks the trams were a decent way to invest >£1bn. Leader of Edinburgh council expects Edinburgh to be bigger than Glasgow in the next couple of decades. What the fk is the transport going to look like then? There's only single lanes of traffic coming in and out of Edinburgh centre on almost every road. Do they just want people to spend their whole lives sitting in cars?

Edited by simoid on Wednesday 14th September 23:05

[simoid]

And since I'm on a transport rant - the whole world is getting faster, better, more efficient, etc.

Except for road travel, which is getting worse, more potholed, slower, and I'm sure that despite having a car that does 60 odd mpg, it's less efficient than my old 30mpg rated motor since now all it does is sit on the fking M8 at 3mph towards hermiston gait if i ever have to go to Edinburgh.

And yon new forth road bridge will carry 0% more traffic than the previous bridge designed 70(?) years ago when there was only about 3 cars in every street.

fk SAKE

[Alpacaman]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scotland/97...

[hidetheelephants]

technodup said:

Cobnapint said:

What's wrong with a bus. No extra infrastructure required, and it can go where it fking likes..!

Exactly. How many buses would £750m buy?

I think we should maybe get a funicular railway for Glasgow, those hills can be quite steep. I mean it would be expensive, pointless and cause massive disruption but that didn't bother Edinburgh.

There's a letter in the Herald today from some bawheid who reckons there should be a Springfield-style monorail running between the city centre and Greenock calling at the airport and points between; is there a full moon or something?

[Cobnapint]

Alpacaman said:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scotland/97...

"SNP ministers said they were “very disappointed” by the figures......"

...they probably think the figure should be higher.

[csd19]

Cobnapint said:

Alpacaman said:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scotland/97...

"SNP ministers said they were “very disappointed” by the figures......"

...they probably think the figure should be higher.

How long before this gets blamed on Westminster too "those bloody English bds"

In other news, apparently " Post-Brexit Britain faces ‘lost decade of economic and social misery’" claims Sturgeon. Does she mean that somehow the rest of the UK will end up like Scotland after their glorious decade of farce?

[NoNeed]

Cobnapint said:

Alpacaman said:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scotland/97...

"SNP ministers said they were “very disappointed” by the figures......"

...they probably think the figure should be higher.

That's an old story from 4 years ago. However, the SNP seem to have either stopped releasing the data or stopped collecting it all together as since then we have had nothing.

Edited by NoNeed on Friday 16th September 10:38

[r11co]

csd19 said:

In other news, apparently " Post-Brexit Britain faces ‘lost decade of economic and social misery’" claims Sturgeon. Does she mean that somehow the rest of the UK will end up like Scotland after their glorious decade of farce?

It is getting very obvious that Sturgeon is trying to control the narrative of the Brexit issue, but reality continues to defy her pronouncements, so you would think she'd learn by now that she is no sage and instead would couch her terms in generalisations instead of absolutes. Brexit would apparently be a trigger for support for a second indyref, yet the the opinion polls disagree = egg on face for Sturgeon.

Economy not collapsing = more egg on face.

At what point will she have cried wolf too often?

Comical to hear that arrogant bd Mike Russell quoting 'government figures' about the collapse of Scotland's GDP ie. the same figures that the hated 'Toaries' Cameron and Osborne were quoting before the EU referendum that were 'finger in the air' made up nonsense.

Edited by r11co on Friday 16th September 09:56

[simoid]

I'm sure sturgeon (or Salmond, I suppose) would be delighted if, after our hypothetical 2014 yes vote, the U.K. PM was going around telling anyone who'll listen "Scotland's going up the stter".

ETA - perhaps a more accurate analogy would be a unionist council leader, not the PM.

[r11co]

simoid said:

I'm sure sturgeon (or Salmond, I suppose) would be delighted if, after our hypothetical 2014 yes vote, the U.K. PM was going around telling anyone who'll listen "Scotland's going up the stter".

Mike Russell has just extrapolated his figures as Scotland's percentage of the losses as quoted by Cameron and Osborne for the UK as a whole. They weren't specifically referring to Scotland, but the point is that Russell is using their exact-same flawed logic, but even more flawed because he assumes that the economy of Scotland will track the rUK's (implying that the Scottish government has no influence on or responsibility for how the Scottish economy performs).

Edited by r11co on Friday 16th September 11:33

[BlackLabel]

"Alex Salmond: Nicola Sturgeon will hold second independence referendum in autumn 2018"

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/09/16/alex-sa...

[blinkythefish]

BlackLabel said:

"Alex Salmond: Nicola Sturgeon will hold second independence referendum in autumn 2018"

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/09/16/alex-sa...

Given this is also the man who predicted $150 per barrel for oil, I'm not sure how worried I'll get.

[B'stard Child]

BlackLabel said:

"Alex Salmond: Nicola Sturgeon will hold second independence referendum in autumn 2018"

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/09/16/alex-sa...

What did the last one cost??

NS is only ever going to hold one if she thinks she can win it - and that result looks further away every day....