Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 7
Discussion
Free buses in Edinburgh for everyone for the best part of a decade... or an a tram route, noisy because it's on rails, requiring £billion+ investment cos it's on rails, can't get diverted cos it's on rails, throws unwitting cyclists off their bikes cos it's on rails...
I really do admire your desire to roll this giant turd in glitter since we're stuck with it Burger.
The parallels with your support for the SNP are uncanny. Trams and the SNP are:
Controversial/divisive
Loved or hated
Wasters of money
Noisy
Diverting money away from where it's required
Totally inflexible "one track" mind...
Failures in general.
I really do admire your desire to roll this giant turd in glitter since we're stuck with it Burger.
The parallels with your support for the SNP are uncanny. Trams and the SNP are:
Controversial/divisive
Loved or hated
Wasters of money
Noisy
Diverting money away from where it's required
Totally inflexible "one track" mind...
Failures in general.
Edited by simoid on Monday 3rd October 22:27
Edited by simoid on Monday 3rd October 22:27
r11co said:
Ah yes, "The Vow", as printed on the front page of a tabloid newspaper and concocted by a journalist from same newspaper inspired by the output of a former prime-minister with no authority or position.
You are a f
king moron if you attach any significance to that. It is a myth peddled by SNats to create false grievance, nothing more and nothing less (unless you believe the Daily Record overrules Westminster and Holyrood as the legislature of the UK.)
fking numbnut.
Oh, do fYou are a f
king moron if you attach any significance to that. It is a myth peddled by SNats to create false grievance, nothing more and nothing less (unless you believe the Daily Record overrules Westminster and Holyrood as the legislature of the UK.)f
king numbnut.k off you arse!GoneAnon said:
r11co said:
Ah yes, "The Vow", as printed on the front page of a tabloid newspaper and concocted by a journalist from same newspaper inspired by the output of a former prime-minister with no authority or position.
You are a fking moron if you attach any significance to that. It is a myth peddled by SNats to create false grievance, nothing more and nothing less (unless you believe the Daily Record overrules Westminster and Holyrood as the legislature of the UK.)
fking numbnut.
Oh, do fYou are a f
king moron if you attach any significance to that. It is a myth peddled by SNats to create false grievance, nothing more and nothing less (unless you believe the Daily Record overrules Westminster and Holyrood as the legislature of the UK.)f
king numbnut.k off you arse!So, what exactly was a lie in the "vow" which he is correct in saying it was a paper headline.
The Smith report was the new powers, delivered early and how much of the new powers has been used to date?
Name 3 of them, to make it easy.
A.J.M said:
Nicely balanced counter argument.
So, what exactly was a lie in the "vow" which he is correct in saying it was a paper headline.
The Smith report was the new powers, delivered early and how much of the new powers has been used to date?
Name 3 of them, to make it easy.
Frustratingly for rUK we spent time effort and money on getting those powers determined and past into statute. It feels like the SNP like to rub our noses in it as they refuse to use any of the powers they demanded / they wanted the levers to grow the economy they now have them and don't use them - as such they must believe that they cannot grow the Scottish economy more than Westminster. Otherwise of course they would change things but they don't. So, what exactly was a lie in the "vow" which he is correct in saying it was a paper headline.
The Smith report was the new powers, delivered early and how much of the new powers has been used to date?
Name 3 of them, to make it easy.
It is good to see they totally agree with Tory taxation policy
technodup said:
Edinburger said:
You couldn't be more wrong.
Are you saying they weren't a waste of money?What can they do/where can they go that buses can't?
As a Weegie, what you consistently fail to understand is that the visitor experience is incredibly important to Edinburgh's economy. And remember that, unlike Glasgow, the M8 doesn't run right through Edinburgh.
simoid said:
Free buses in Edinburgh for everyone for the best part of a decade... or an a tram route, noisy because it's on rails, requiring £billion+ investment cos it's on rails, can't get diverted cos it's on rails, throws unwitting cyclists off their bikes cos it's on rails...
I really do admire your desire to roll this giant turd in glitter since we're stuck with it Burger.
The parallels with your support for the SNP are uncanny. Trams and the SNP are:
Controversial/divisive
Loved or hated
Wasters of money
Noisy
Diverting money away from where it's required
Totally inflexible "one track" mind...
Failures in general.
You've managed to squeeze an anti-SNP line onto a rant about the trams - they weren't the SNP's baby. I really do admire your desire to roll this giant turd in glitter since we're stuck with it Burger.
The parallels with your support for the SNP are uncanny. Trams and the SNP are:
Controversial/divisive
Loved or hated
Wasters of money
Noisy
Diverting money away from where it's required
Totally inflexible "one track" mind...
Failures in general.
Edited by simoid on Monday 3rd October 22:27
Edited by simoid on Monday 3rd October 22:27
Don't you ever use the tram?
Edinburger said:
Land at the airport and get a bus to Gogarburn or Edinburgh Park or to the centre of Edinburgh. Then land at the airport again and get a tram to the same places and tell me what was the better experience.
As a Weegie, what you consistently fail to understand is that the visitor experience is incredibly important to Edinburgh's economy. And remember that, unlike Glasgow, the M8 doesn't run right through Edinburgh.
I've not been so have no idea on if it works or not. As a Weegie, what you consistently fail to understand is that the visitor experience is incredibly important to Edinburgh's economy. And remember that, unlike Glasgow, the M8 doesn't run right through Edinburgh.
But it was
grossly/multiples of original cost
Apparently the original soecification of the project isn't met
Oddly it doesn't link up with the main network rail which would be the boon - that would certainly help single person travellers not use a car (family holidays will always be a car or taxi/minibus).
As it's tax payers money I hope it works.
However council tax has been frozen - why did it not increase to cover the 30year repayment? What public services have been cut to deliver this?
Welshbeef said:
Edinburger said:
Land at the airport and get a bus to Gogarburn or Edinburgh Park or to the centre of Edinburgh. Then land at the airport again and get a tram to the same places and tell me what was the better experience.
As a Weegie, what you consistently fail to understand is that the visitor experience is incredibly important to Edinburgh's economy. And remember that, unlike Glasgow, the M8 doesn't run right through Edinburgh.
I've not been so have no idea on if it works or not. As a Weegie, what you consistently fail to understand is that the visitor experience is incredibly important to Edinburgh's economy. And remember that, unlike Glasgow, the M8 doesn't run right through Edinburgh.
But it was
grossly/multiples of original cost
Apparently the original soecification of the project isn't met
Oddly it doesn't link up with the main network rail which would be the boon - that would certainly help single person travellers not use a car (family holidays will always be a car or taxi/minibus).
As it's tax payers money I hope it works.
However council tax has been frozen - why did it not increase to cover the 30year repayment? What public services have been cut to deliver this?
Also, new transport hub is currently being built at South Gyle (second or third tram stop from the airport) which allows passengers to change into trains to/from Glasgow, Fife, Stirling, and Edinburgh. All with a single integrated ticketing solution.
It wasn't the first and it won't be the last project to go over budget. As for your final Paragraph, hey-ho, that's off topic and has been discussed zillions of times.
r11co said:
GoneAnon said:
Oh, do fk off you arse!
k off you arse!
So, what's your issue? Do you actually think that is a genuine, binding legal document and not a photoshop cobbled together in some sub-editor's office, or are you aggrieved because you still haven't received your free milk?
Idiot.
FN2TypeR said:
r11co said:
GoneAnon said:
Oh, do fk off you arse!
k off you arse!So, what's your issue? Do you actually think that is a genuine, binding legal document and not a photoshop cobbled together in some sub-editor's office, or are you aggrieved because you still haven't received your free milk?
Idiot.
A party on the oposition would do better to work with party in power and try an debate change than throw petty insults an whine about powers they won't use aby way. The SNP have reacheda high water mark. They should have been proud used powers they had made Scotland better bit instead chose to moan an do f all.
Most people saw this was all the SNP were good for when it came to indy ref and I can't help think they have missed an open goal for the sake of a dream not shared by the majority of Scots
Edinburger said:
When you say it doesn't link with rail, you simply step off the team at Haymarket and cross the road into the train station.
Also, new transport hub is currently being built at South Gyle (second or third tram stop from the airport) which allows passengers to change into trains to/from Glasgow, Fife, Stirling, and Edinburgh. All with a single integrated ticketing solution.
It wasn't the first and it won't be the last project to go over budget. As for your final Paragraph, hey-ho, that's off topic and has been discussed zillions of times.
But the last paragraph isn't off topic - I wasn't aware local council had paid for it I thought it was simply from the Barnett. By taking it from council tax and not back funding it your having super dooper austerity. Also, new transport hub is currently being built at South Gyle (second or third tram stop from the airport) which allows passengers to change into trains to/from Glasgow, Fife, Stirling, and Edinburgh. All with a single integrated ticketing solution.
It wasn't the first and it won't be the last project to go over budget. As for your final Paragraph, hey-ho, that's off topic and has been discussed zillions of times.
Anyway I can tell you changing trains with all the luggage from holidays is a nightmare you want it running directly into the airport given your building a new track. Seems a huge oversight to me.
Put it this way Boris Island sounded amazing for Londoners Kent and south Essex folk - however anyone to the West of London who use Heathrow (remember it was for Heathrow to be demolished for housing) it would be an utter nightmare. T
Taxi from house to train station
Carry all the luggage and car seats to the train
Try to find space to put all that luggage in the train.
Get onto the underground with kids and all the luggage and car seats
Change underground trains
Catch the new train to Boris Island
Get off train and get to Check in.
We have 4 suitcases 2 car seats 1 pram 4 in cabin luggage it is simply impossible for us or anyone with similar number of kids to do it. So we have to go car or minibus taxi. In fact using our own car is not possible as we have to take 2 other car seats - remember if they get broken or lost on the return flight we cannot drive home and normally our flights are late or very early - plus honestly I don't know off hand where from Heathrow you'd drive to go and buy a replacement car seat. Using a minibus taxi if car seats are broken or lost legally you do not need a car seat for the trip (not ideal but an option).
Edinburger said:
As a Weegie, what you consistently fail to understand is that the visitor experience is incredibly important to Edinburgh's economy. And remember that, unlike Glasgow, the M8 doesn't run right through Edinburgh.
Now if they had just said it was built for Chinese tourists I'd have a bit more respect for it. Still think it a waste of money but honesty would be nice.There must be a million ways they could have improved the bus 'experience' for a fraction of the cost though.
Edinburger said:
Land at the airport and get a bus to Gogarburn or Edinburgh Park or to the centre of Edinburgh. Then land at the airport again and get a tram to the same places and tell me what was the better experience.
As a Weegie, what you consistently fail to understand is that the visitor experience is incredibly important to Edinburgh's economy. And remember that, unlike Glasgow, the M8 doesn't run right through Edinburgh.
I'm actually going to go with burger on this one- for convenience, speed, cleanliness, efficiency etc... the tram is an excellent way to get to/from the airport to/from the city centre. As a Weegie, what you consistently fail to understand is that the visitor experience is incredibly important to Edinburgh's economy. And remember that, unlike Glasgow, the M8 doesn't run right through Edinburgh.
for tourists its excellent- they leave the airport and can get onto a tram straight into Edinburgh city centre without any hassle or making sure they pick the right bus, just like we get/expect of most major cities around the world.
the only downside to all this was the cost- it really was not a cost effective project. the overall cost/ disruption totally outweighs any benefit in my eyes.
I have used the tram on quite a few occasions but that's only because I live within 5/10mins walk of princes street and only use it when going with carry on luggage. if theres 2 or more flying I would just get a taxi for £20 ish quid for the convenience of getting picked up from my flat, instead of the 2 of us walking up to town to then pay £10 for the tram.
malks222 said:
if theres 2 or more flying I would just get a taxi for £20 ish quid for the convenience of getting picked up from my flat, instead of the 2 of us walking up to town to then pay £10 for the tram.
Damned with feint praise. You have conceded that they are of limited service. Considering the cost it is clear they offer poor value.Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff