Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 7
Discussion
I'm able to adjust the heating in my house. I can alter the time it comes on, the temperature, and when it goes off.
I actually adjust this maybe two or three times a year. Not every day.
Having an ability doesn't mean you use it all the time.
If the Scottish Government had adjusted Scottish income tax rates to 18% or 22% - just because they could - then you'd all criticise them. They haven't touched, and you're all criticising them.
See the problem?
I actually adjust this maybe two or three times a year. Not every day.
Having an ability doesn't mean you use it all the time.
If the Scottish Government had adjusted Scottish income tax rates to 18% or 22% - just because they could - then you'd all criticise them. They haven't touched, and you're all criticising them.
See the problem?
So they asked for control of economic levers.
Got given some of them, haven't used them but still moan at not being able to make changes?
If they had increased taxes to go towards proper projects, people wouldn't mind.
They have had the ability to raise taxes for a long time, it was in a Scotland act.
All the while, having thanks to Barnett enjoying higher spending, but wasting it on poor choices while genuine causes are ignored.
Got given some of them, haven't used them but still moan at not being able to make changes?
If they had increased taxes to go towards proper projects, people wouldn't mind.
They have had the ability to raise taxes for a long time, it was in a Scotland act.
All the while, having thanks to Barnett enjoying higher spending, but wasting it on poor choices while genuine causes are ignored.
Edinburger said:
I'm able to adjust the heating in my house. I can alter the time it comes on, the temperature, and when it goes off.
I actually adjust this maybe two or three times a year. Not every day.
Having an ability doesn't mean you use it all the time.
If the Scottish Government had adjusted Scottish income tax rates to 18% or 22% - just because they could - then you'd all criticise them. They haven't touched, and you're all criticising them.
See the problem?
I have the same control in my house. Then again, I don't incessantly bleat on about being too cold / too hot and how everyone else is to blame for such ills. I STFU and go and make use of the controls.I actually adjust this maybe two or three times a year. Not every day.
Having an ability doesn't mean you use it all the time.
If the Scottish Government had adjusted Scottish income tax rates to 18% or 22% - just because they could - then you'd all criticise them. They haven't touched, and you're all criticising them.
See the problem?
See the solution?
kowalski655 said:
But the SNP are bleating about lack of money,resources, etc ,and not using their powers to change that.
To use your analogy, you don't wait until there is 5 foot of snow blocking your door to turn up the heat, you do it when it gets chilly.
Your heating doesn't clear snow though. But I get the analogy. To use your analogy, you don't wait until there is 5 foot of snow blocking your door to turn up the heat, you do it when it gets chilly.
Remember that Scottish higher rate taxpayers didn't benefit from the banding reduction with rUK ones enjoy. We pay higher rate tax at an earlier income rate.
Some people on here will only want to see a rate change so they can criticise it though.
t, which seems to be in plentiful supply when you start trying to justify the unjustifiable.Garvin said:
Edinburger said:
I'm able to adjust the heating in my house. I can alter the time it comes on, the temperature, and when it goes off.
I actually adjust this maybe two or three times a year. Not every day.
Having an ability doesn't mean you use it all the time.
If the Scottish Government had adjusted Scottish income tax rates to 18% or 22% - just because they could - then you'd all criticise them. They haven't touched, and you're all criticising them.
See the problem?
I have the same control in my house. Then again, I don't incessantly bleat on about being too cold / too hot and how everyone else is to blame for such ills. I STFU and go and make use of the controls.I actually adjust this maybe two or three times a year. Not every day.
Having an ability doesn't mean you use it all the time.
If the Scottish Government had adjusted Scottish income tax rates to 18% or 22% - just because they could - then you'd all criticise them. They haven't touched, and you're all criticising them.
See the problem?
See the solution?
Or did they just let you suit yourself?
A.J.M said:
So they asked for control of economic levers.
Got given some of them, haven't used them but still moan at not being able to make changes?
If they had increased taxes to go towards proper projects, people wouldn't mind.
They have had the ability to raise taxes for a long time, it was in a Scotland act.
All the while, having thanks to Barnett enjoying higher spending, but wasting it on poor choices while genuine causes are ignored.
Unfair comments. See my last post. Got given some of them, haven't used them but still moan at not being able to make changes?
If they had increased taxes to go towards proper projects, people wouldn't mind.
They have had the ability to raise taxes for a long time, it was in a Scotland act.
All the while, having thanks to Barnett enjoying higher spending, but wasting it on poor choices while genuine causes are ignored.
Edinburger said:
When the heating control was installed, did your mates text you all the time saying "hotter", "colder", "on earlier", "on later"?
Or did they just let you suit yourself?
Or did they just let you suit yourself?
No. The installers handed him a set of instructions (written by someone called 'Smith') on how to operate the controls and left him to it. A couple of years later he isn't ignoring those instructions, deliberately leaving the boiler off and complaining it is cold and getting colder, while blaming the installers for not fitting a big enough boiler.
Edited by r11co on Wednesday 5th October 11:31
Edinburger said:
Garvin said:
Edinburger said:
I'm able to adjust the heating in my house. I can alter the time it comes on, the temperature, and when it goes off.
I actually adjust this maybe two or three times a year. Not every day.
Having an ability doesn't mean you use it all the time.
If the Scottish Government had adjusted Scottish income tax rates to 18% or 22% - just because they could - then you'd all criticise them. They haven't touched, and you're all criticising them.
See the problem?
I have the same control in my house. Then again, I don't incessantly bleat on about being too cold / too hot and how everyone else is to blame for such ills. I STFU and go and make use of the controls.I actually adjust this maybe two or three times a year. Not every day.
Having an ability doesn't mean you use it all the time.
If the Scottish Government had adjusted Scottish income tax rates to 18% or 22% - just because they could - then you'd all criticise them. They haven't touched, and you're all criticising them.
See the problem?
See the solution?
Or did they just let you suit yourself?
Edinburger said:
What have you seen the Scottish Governmebt do that has impressed you?
Convincing a left-leaning electorate that they are a progressive government (done by smearing their rivals with blatant lies and falsehoods), while at the same time implementing initiatives that line the pockets of themselves and their cronies.Are you aware of the Help to Adapt scheme for example? Billed as an initiative to allow elderly people to stay in their own homes with money to pay for adaptations to help mobility and accessibility, it is in fact an equity grab by the Scottish Government, saddling these people with mortgages at an interest rate of 12%!! Who came up with that idea - Michelle Thomson?
Utterly shocking exploitation of vulnerable people. Impressive actions by a party who bill themselves as for the people (and have eejits like you believing it).
Edited by r11co on Wednesday 5th October 11:51
r11co said:
Edinburger said:
What have you seen the Scottish Governmebt do that has impressed you?
Convincing a left-leaning electorate that they are a progressive government (done by smearing their rivals with blatant lies and falsehoods), while at the same time implementing initiatives that line the pockets of themselves and their cronies.Are you aware of the Help to Adapt scheme for example? Billed as an initiative to allow elderly people to stay in their own homes with money to pay for adaptations to help mobility and accessibility, it is in fact an equity grab by the Scottish Government, saddling these people with mortgages at an interest rate of 12%!! Who came up with that idea - Michelle Thomson?
Utterly shocking exploitation of vulnerable people. Impressive actions by a party who bill themselves as for the people (and have eejits like you believing it).
Edited by r11co on Wednesday 5th October 11:51
I'm no SNP fan boy. I voted Conservative at the last election and voted No in the referendum.
I take a pragmatic view and vote for what I believe to be the best outcome.
But I do defend points which I think many people here get completely wrong.
By the the way, the Edinburgh trams weren't a SNP initiative.
r11co said:
Edinburger said:
What have you seen the Scottish Governmebt do that has impressed you?
Convincing a left-leaning electorate that they are a progressive government (done by smearing their rivals with blatant lies and falsehoods), while at the same time implementing initiatives that line the pockets of themselves and their cronies.Are you aware of the Help to Adapt scheme for example? Billed as an initiative to allow elderly people to stay in their own homes with money to pay for adaptations to help mobility and accessibility, it is in fact an equity grab by the Scottish Government, saddling these people with mortgages at an interest rate of 12%!! Who came up with that idea - Michelle Thomson?
Utterly shocking exploitation of vulnerable people. Impressive actions by a party who bill themselves as for the people (and have eejits like you believing it).
Edited by r11co on Wednesday 5th October 11:51
Garvin said:
Edinburger said:
Garvin said:
Edinburger said:
I'm able to adjust the heating in my house. I can alter the time it comes on, the temperature, and when it goes off.
I actually adjust this maybe two or three times a year. Not every day.
Having an ability doesn't mean you use it all the time.
If the Scottish Government had adjusted Scottish income tax rates to 18% or 22% - just because they could - then you'd all criticise them. They haven't touched, and you're all criticising them.
See the problem?
I have the same control in my house. Then again, I don't incessantly bleat on about being too cold / too hot and how everyone else is to blame for such ills. I STFU and go and make use of the controls.I actually adjust this maybe two or three times a year. Not every day.
Having an ability doesn't mean you use it all the time.
If the Scottish Government had adjusted Scottish income tax rates to 18% or 22% - just because they could - then you'd all criticise them. They haven't touched, and you're all criticising them.
See the problem?
See the solution?
Or did they just let you suit yourself?
Cobnapint said:
kowalski655 said:
But the SNP are bleating about lack of money,resources, etc ,and not using their powers to change that.
...while giving away free further education, medication prescriptions, care for the elderly, eye examinations...it all adds up.I've covered most of that in this thread before. But answer this - do you think it's right that English universities charge the fees they do?
Edinburger said:
No, that's news to me but I'll have a look at it later. Is there an eejits guide available?
There's a link to the scheme site from the page I gave you. The devil is in the detail - while the large 'eejit guide' print states the 'loans' are zero interest, the small print reveals that the amount to be repaid increases with the market value of the property the loan is secured against, plus there is the "project management fee" which "is a contribution to the costs incurred by the Scottish Government in delivering project management of the home alteration works." The fees are added to the amount 'borrowed' meaning they will eat-into the value of the home being used to secure the loan at repayment time!All perfectly legit of course, but all very VERY capitalist! One could also argue that the scheme should carry a large 'other equity-release schemes are available' notice, lest the Scottish Government be accused of abusing their position!?
Edited by r11co on Wednesday 5th October 12:40
Edinburger said:
Cobnapint said:
kowalski655 said:
But the SNP are bleating about lack of money,resources, etc ,and not using their powers to change that.
...while giving away free further education, medication prescriptions, care for the elderly, eye examinations...it all adds up.I've covered most of that in this thread before. But answer this - do you think it's right that English universities charge the fees they do?
And on English Universities, haven't got a clue. Irrelevant to Scotland's deficit and what it gives away.
Edinburger said:
What adds up?
I've covered most of that in this thread before. But answer this - do you think it's right that English universities charge the fees they do?
Do you think that is was right for Scottish MP's to influence the vote on an English universities fees? The very same people that bragged about how good it is for Scotland to have a free system?I've covered most of that in this thread before. But answer this - do you think it's right that English universities charge the fees they do?
Me? I'm not against the peoole benefitting from their further education making a contribution towards it, I am however against the racist anti-English SNP policy of allowing all EU students to benefit from what the English pay towards but are not allowed to use. YOU?
Edited by NoNeed on Wednesday 5th October 15:05
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