Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 7
Discussion
HiVac said:
Part of me wishes that Theresa May would let her run her Indyref2 again, in the event the SNP loses again (which I believe it would ) Nicola is finished, and no-one knows that better than her.
Which is exactly why she can make as much "noise" as she likes appealing to her core supporters but not actually have another referendum - just continue to air the possibility - the result would be the same as last time if not worse.The following is rather crude analogy and probably not suitable for work. A view on the SNP and praying on the desires of their followers:
Sturgeon is pleasuring the SNP supporters. Teasing them with the promise of an independence climax. She must keep this holy grail "climax" within sight, or they will lose interest.
However, this has to be balanced with the fact that the climactic event can only be a disappointment, ie independence would leave them with no reason to follow Nicola, and inevitably she'll be left with a large mess on her hands.
In short, she has to keep the prospect of orgasm imminent, without actually reaching it, or the game is up.
Sturgeon is pleasuring the SNP supporters. Teasing them with the promise of an independence climax. She must keep this holy grail "climax" within sight, or they will lose interest.
However, this has to be balanced with the fact that the climactic event can only be a disappointment, ie independence would leave them with no reason to follow Nicola, and inevitably she'll be left with a large mess on her hands.
In short, she has to keep the prospect of orgasm imminent, without actually reaching it, or the game is up.
Northern Munkee said:
http://news.sky.com/story/scotland-targets-free-tr...
Or is it a) trying to make the UK ungovernable, as a coherent entity, so unworkable that breaking up the union is inevitable,
Or more straightforwardly b) trying to become an independent state within a state, without getting a democratic mandate for independence.
Anybody not seeing straight through this?
It's a wonder she didn't come out of No.10 and have a Blade Runner 'Pris' type fit on the floor after being told to feck off by May.Or is it a) trying to make the UK ungovernable, as a coherent entity, so unworkable that breaking up the union is inevitable,
Or more straightforwardly b) trying to become an independent state within a state, without getting a democratic mandate for independence.
Anybody not seeing straight through this?
Sturgeon seems to be operating on the notion that the more you say something, the more it becomes fact.
Cobnapint said:
It's a wonder she didn't come out of No.10 and have a Blade Runner 'Pris' type fit on the floor after being told to feck off by May.
Sturgeon seems to be operating on the notion that the more you say something, the more it becomes fact.
All I saw was her come bouncing (and the first one out as well) over to the BBC to get her mug on the TV, to shout off that she has a mandate to keep Scotland (alone) in the EU (I don't see one, the UK was asked by Parliament for its view, as they Parliament decided it was a matter for the UK people, it answered "out" or "oot!") then she gobbed off about that on balance whether there was strategy or red lines or no idea, that it was the latter, and if I was the govt, I wouldn't tell her as she'd given the game away. She then bounced/strutted over to her "Prius" and rather take her to The Tower, which I get let's not make a martyr of her, i assume she fecked off back to her council.Sturgeon seems to be operating on the notion that the more you say something, the more it becomes fact.
Northern Munkee said:
Nicola Sturgeon said:
I don't know any more now about the UK government's approach to the EU negotiations than I did before I went in to the meeting.
That's because you are a f
king liability who will take any information given to you and use it to wreck the UK's negotiating position for your own benefit.Nicola Sturgeon said:
It doesn't appear to me that there is a negotiating strategy.
If there is one, the last person who will learn about it will be the one person who's stated aim is to undermine the UK for the purposes of breaking it up.Cobnapint said:
Sturgeon seems to be operating on the notion that the more you say something, the more it becomes fact.
She learned that from her predecessor.NHS underfunded and going backwards under the SNP and Sturgeon. I wonder if they've been concentrating their efforts elsewhere 
"It also said NHS Scotland met only one of its eight key waiting time targets last year - the drug and alcohol treatment standard.
Audit Scotland's annual report on the NHS said performance had actually declined in six of the eight targets over the past four years - although the target for cancer patients waiting no more than 31 days for treatment was missed by just 0.1%."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-37773231
"It also said NHS Scotland met only one of its eight key waiting time targets last year - the drug and alcohol treatment standard.
Audit Scotland's annual report on the NHS said performance had actually declined in six of the eight targets over the past four years - although the target for cancer patients waiting no more than 31 days for treatment was missed by just 0.1%."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-37773231
When is the Scottish budget?
I'm guessing Hammond will make a number of changes in Nov16 which will force Scotland to make changes or they stay as they are and rUK move to different positions (which may or may not put rUK at a competitive advantage over Scotland)
Frankly Scotland SNP didn't want any tax powers and wanted to win the vote without going down this route. Sadly for them what his does is expose them /forces their hand to try to financially govern the country. Making those hard decisions & clearly within a UK differing rates can easily make people move from one to another part of the UK
I'm guessing Hammond will make a number of changes in Nov16 which will force Scotland to make changes or they stay as they are and rUK move to different positions (which may or may not put rUK at a competitive advantage over Scotland)
Frankly Scotland SNP didn't want any tax powers and wanted to win the vote without going down this route. Sadly for them what his does is expose them /forces their hand to try to financially govern the country. Making those hard decisions & clearly within a UK differing rates can easily make people move from one to another part of the UK
Nick Grant said:
Actually I hope they do and then it proves decisively to the UK it doesn't work. It will skewer Corbyns plans. Desperately how's that nationalised airport? How much money is being lost each year being spent on that pet project instead of the NHS police etc. Why doesn't Ruth D or others start to use things which the SNP have done badly at FMQs.
Also the tram system - over budget which now means each citizen in that locality (unless there is a council tax rise which others is not) hyper austerity placed upon them for 25years. Hmm the new nasty party yes it's Yellow
Oh dear...
transport-minister-admits-he-is-not-an-expert-on-transport
In other news, Pope spotted wearing funny hat, and bear clocked having a st in the woods...
transport-minister-admits-he-is-not-an-expert-on-transport
In other news, Pope spotted wearing funny hat, and bear clocked having a s
t in the woods...csd19 said:
Oh dear...
transport-minister-admits-he-is-not-an-expert-on-transport
In other news, Pope spotted wearing funny hat, and bear clocked having a st in the woods...
In fairness how many ministers in the UK Government are experts in their field? I doubt many cabinet members could claim to be an expert on defense, transport, agriculture, immigration, travel etc etctransport-minister-admits-he-is-not-an-expert-on-transport
In other news, Pope spotted wearing funny hat, and bear clocked having a s
t in the woods...FN2TypeR said:
In fairness how many ministers in the UK Government are experts in their field? I doubt many cabinet members could claim to be an expert on defense, transport, agriculture, immigration, travel etc etc
Indeed, but you shouldn't present it as a defence for being st at your job. If he is taking the coin then he should be working his damnedest to bring himself up-to-speed with the details of the highest priority issues within his remit.Bottom line is though that, like almost all recent-recruit SNP bods thrust into high office, they thought the job entailed triumphally winning their election and that was the end of it. Their success was removing their predecessors from office, not improving on their record.
Welshbeef said:
Actually I hope they do and then it proves decisively to the UK it doesn't work. It will skewer Corbyns plans.
Desperately how's that nationalised airport? How much money is being lost each year being spent on that pet project instead of the NHS police etc. Why doesn't Ruth D or others start to use things which the SNP have done badly at FMQs.
Also the tram system - over budget which now means each citizen in that locality (unless there is a council tax rise which others is not) hyper austerity placed upon them for 25years. Hmm the new nasty party yes it's Yellow
Trams can't be used as an example of SNP profligacy.Desperately how's that nationalised airport? How much money is being lost each year being spent on that pet project instead of the NHS police etc. Why doesn't Ruth D or others start to use things which the SNP have done badly at FMQs.
Also the tram system - over budget which now means each citizen in that locality (unless there is a council tax rise which others is not) hyper austerity placed upon them for 25years. Hmm the new nasty party yes it's Yellow
Re. Tax rates - for every £1 you earn between £44k-£46k per annum or so, you get £0.38 ish and the SNP get the rest.
Edited by simoid on Thursday 27th October 17:57
simoid said:
NHS underfunded and going backwards under the SNP and Sturgeon. I wonder if they've been concentrating their efforts elsewhere
"It also said NHS Scotland met only one of its eight key waiting time targets last year - the drug and alcohol treatment standard.
Audit Scotland's annual report on the NHS said performance had actually declined in six of the eight targets over the past four years - although the target for cancer patients waiting no more than 31 days for treatment was missed by just 0.1%."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-37773231
Oddly when challenging a nationalist tweeter this same morning, after he spouted off about nhs "sucess" in Scotland, my comment of it being a load of twisted statistics and lies, he declined to further the discussion and also banned any further discourse and reference to his account."It also said NHS Scotland met only one of its eight key waiting time targets last year - the drug and alcohol treatment standard.
Audit Scotland's annual report on the NHS said performance had actually declined in six of the eight targets over the past four years - although the target for cancer patients waiting no more than 31 days for treatment was missed by just 0.1%."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-37773231
Bargain, one Muppet less.
Edited by Sylvaforever on Thursday 27th October 19:16
http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/14831871.SNP_MP...quot_conspiracy_theory_quotover_2014_independence_result/#comments-anchor
Just when you think they can't get any dafter. Read some of the comments!!
Just when you think they can't get any dafter. Read some of the comments!!
Alpacaman said:
Spectacular; the rustling of aluminium foil is palpable.Edited by hidetheelephants on Sunday 30th October 17:00
hidetheelephants said:
Alpacaman said:
Spectacular; the rustling of aluminium foil is palpable.Edited by hidetheelephants on Sunday 30th October 17:00
Dr. Paul Monaghan demonstrates once again what a traitorous wr he is.
I think it is high time Paul Monaghan padlocked himself inside a sports bag.
r he is.I think it is high time Paul Monaghan padlocked himself inside a sports bag.
Edited by r11co on Monday 31st October 09:23
Oooo. Could have sworn I suggested this a few weeks ago and got rubbished for even thinking it possible.
http://www.scotsman.com/news/uk/scotland-could-bec...
http://www.scotsman.com/news/uk/scotland-could-bec...
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